You want for the ghost of Gene Roddenberry to explain why they used that word on the plaque?
I don't want the behind the scenes explanation, I wan'r an explanation that works in-universe as to why a ship identified on paper as a 'Constitution Class' is also identified on its dedication plaque as a 'Starship Class'.
Who is they in this case? Is it Starfleet, the official organization, or perhaps a few officers running a training program with a well documented sentimental streak?
The "Enterprise class" is a pretty clearly stated production error (see. that wiki link). I've never seen (including in the official encyclopedia) the refit 1701 or the 1701-A referred to as anything other than a Constitution class. It's nice thinking that starfleet would finally dedicate a modern starship class (ie. TOS era onward) to the Enterprise but as far as we've seen it hasn't happened (in such a way that you can't explain it as a fluke).
Starfleet, it's their simulator.
And yet 'Enterprise Class' is onscreen, information from the Encyclopaedias are not.
Note, I'm not saying the refit is the Enterprise Class (for all we know it could be the class of simulator or the name of the class (as in group of cadets) in training.
So what then about the Enterprise B? There's no precedent for renaming a ship class based on a non-standard configuration or refit (see. also the Miranda and Nebula class variants) The Galaxy-X is just a refit/pimped out (I favor the latter description because, well it's Riker) Galaxy class.
Because there's more than one Constitution refit (there was one in BoBW as wreckage) for all we know the Lakota is the ENT-B or it is the Lakota Class. I haven't seen the episode for a while, is it ever called Excelsior onscreen?
Also the Miranda is never named onscreen, the only variant of it that is is the Soyuze (however it's spelt).
As for the Gal-X, it's either a one off (i.e. Rikers vanity project) therefore would't get a new name. Or it's production run and follows the games behind the scenes logic of calling it a Devron Class.
Okay, Miranda-class was listed onscreen on the USS Brattain's Dedication Plaque. The USS Defiant from Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly shows Constitution-class on its Dedication Plaque. Enterprise-B was called an Excelsior on its MSD and its Dedication Plaque.
I have personally called the Galaxy-X, the Devron from STO, though it could be the Victory from the USS Victory of Battle Group Omega.
I also believe ENT is the precursor to JJ's UR and an alternate history anyway. Saves me having to worry about how many ships called 'Enterprise' there are etc.
But we still have to do a mental insertion whenever the older episodes/movies present "all" of the Enterprises (ex. TMP.)
But...that does bring up a serious question. So we have the Constitution class and the refit Constitution class not "officially" called the Enterprise class because [so say movie people quoted on Ent-class wiki] there's supposedly already an Enterprise class somewhere back in Federation history. Is that radially designed NX precursor, what the NX/NX refit eventually becomes, or is there another "missing" Enterprise from TOS/TNG era Star Trek?
How many more commemoration displays do we need to photoshop in?!
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Okay, Miranda-class was listed onscreen on the USS Brattain's Dedication Plaque. The USS Defiant from Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly shows Constitution-class on its Dedication Plaque. Enterprise-B was called an Excelsior on its MSD and its Dedication Plaque.
But we still have to do a mental insertion whenever the older episodes/movies present "all" of the Enterprises (ex. TMP.)
But...that does bring up a serious question. So we have the Constitution class and the refit Constitution class not "officially" called the Enterprise class because [so say movie people quoted on Ent-class wiki] there's supposedly already an Enterprise class somewhere back in Federation history.
Is that radially designed NX precursor, what the NX/NX refit eventually becomes, or is there another "missing" Enterprise in TOS/TNG era Star Trek?
How many more displays do we need to photo shop in?!
I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Not that that matters as it's not canon. But I'm not particularly bothered whether it's Constitution Refit or Enterprise Class.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Most likely (once NX graduates to NCC) but there is just a little room to [theoretically] fit one more Enterprise in if anyone ever feels strongly enough about covering the NCC-001 to NCC-1000 range of Starfleet history (they still have to get from the NX-Refit to TOS-era Starfleet designs.)
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I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Most likely (once NX graduates to NCC) but there is just a little room to [theoretically] fit one more Enterprise in if anyone ever feels strongly enough about covering the NCC-001 to NCC-1000 range of Starfleet history (they still have to get from the NX-Refit to TOS-era Starfleet designs.)
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Most likely (once NX graduates to NCC) but there is just a little room to [theoretically] fit one more Enterprise in if anyone ever feels strongly enough about covering the NCC-001 to NCC-1000 range of Starfleet history (they still have to get from the NX-Refit to TOS-era Starfleet designs.)
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Most likely (once NX graduates to NCC) but there is just a little room to [theoretically] fit one more Enterprise in if anyone ever feels strongly enough about covering the NCC-001 to NCC-1000 range of Starfleet history (they still have to get from the NX-Refit to TOS-era Starfleet designs.)
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
That's what I meant.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
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That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I vote for the Cromwell class. Just for the heck of it.
I vote for Warspite Class
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
There is but as the NX and NC (which is the registration on the model) exist, it's unlikely the related design would be a named class rather than a letter class.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
Wait, on the one hand, we are arguing over what the name can be based on canon, as defined by what is on screen or not, but on the other hand are willing to accept "Devron Class" because it's hidden in the files of this non-canon video game?
lol
"Logic is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD." - Spock
Wait, on the one hand, we are arguing over what the name can be based on canon, as defined by what is on screen or not, but on the other hand are willing to accept "Devron Class" because it's hidden in the files of this non-canon video game?
lol
For the game's version yes. For the one-off ship from AGT, it's just a modified Galaxy Class.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
There is but as the NX and NC (which is the registration on the model) exist, it's unlikely the related design would be a named class rather than a letter class.
The Sarajevo's NC-27 registry does not exist on the CGI model, but rather its design sketch. It has as much basis as the USS Akira's NCC-2947.
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
There is but as the NX and NC (which is the registration on the model) exist, it's unlikely the related design would be a named class rather than a letter class.
The Sarajevo's NC-27 registry does not exist on the CGI model, but rather its design sketch. It has as much basis as the USS Akira's NCC-2947.
Does it not? Oh well. Stll only as canon as Intrepid Class though.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
It is the Yamato class. Still sounds funny. USS shouldn't be paired with Yamato though...
On the other hand, what about Yukikaze. The lucky survivor of Midway, Leyte gulf, Mariana Turkey shoot, Sant Cruz, Ten-Go and WW2 scrapping.
Except, of course, the U.S.S. Yamato is canon from TNG. It pops up a couple times in the first two seasons before being destroyed.
For Japanese names, the U.S.S. Akira always struck me as far more bizarre and out there. I mean, I don't bat an eye at the U.S.S. Hood, for one. And with all the ships in and out of canon that have reused real ship names (the Defiant, Resolute, Enterprise, Intrepid, ect) that one always stuck out to me.
....because seriously, 'Galaxy-X' - which, thank the Nine, doesn't appear anywhere canonical - sounds like it was dreamed up by some totally rad pre-teen in their LiveJournal fanfic.
(Well, the term originated in one of the Hasbro games, so I would imagine that's exactly how it was dreamed up....)
I've always read it as a Roman numeral, which sounds slightly less derpy. Implying it was the result of heavy modifications and retrofits... which fits with what we saw on screen and in game.
I mean, to some extent it was TNG dragging out an idea from one of the technical manuals from the Original Series, and giving it legs.
There's a refit of the Constitution that isn't in canon now, but used to be, which added a third nacelle, an additional shuttle bay, heavily overhauled the ships weapons (though no spinal lance), and some other modifications. At one point, Rodenberry classed the entire book as canon, and it's got a lot of interesting stray information, like actual sewing patterns for the TOS uniforms and "circuit diagrams" for the type II phasers.
EDIT: It was the Starfleet Technical Manual, and apparently the Dreadnought I'm thinking of, the Federation Class, is canon, at least peripherally. It shows up on training screens in TWoK and one is identified by name in TMP.
It also includes a bunch of ships. Some of them were never seen again, like that Constitution refit, and others did pop up again later. Incidentally, the Pasteur and our T3 golfballs are, like the Future Enterprise, another 25th century take on one of the ships detailed in there. And, then I think I remember hearing Enterprise actually used those in one of the later seasons, after I'd stopped watching.
That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Incorrect. Registrations NEVER had a 'proper' use.
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
There is but as the NX and NC (which is the registration on the model) exist, it's unlikely the related design would be a named class rather than a letter class.
The Sarajevo's NC-27 registry does not exist on the CGI model, but rather its design sketch. It has as much basis as the USS Akira's NCC-2947.
Given the relative age of the Akira class, that registry number sounds way too low. Most 24th century ships had five digit registries. Even with how the registry numbers are supposed to work, that number should be for an Excelsior class ship, I'd think.
EDIT: It was the Starfleet Technical Manual, and apparently the Dreadnought I'm thinking of, the Federation Class, is canon, at least peripherally. It shows up on training screens in TWoK and one is identified by name in TMP.
It also includes a bunch of ships. Some of them were never seen again, like that Constitution refit, and others did pop up again later. Incidentally, the Pasteur and our T3 golfballs are, like the Future Enterprise, another 25th century take on one of the ships detailed in there. And, then I think I remember hearing Enterprise actually used those in one of the later seasons, after I'd stopped watching.
The Federation Class isn't in TWoK, the other ships are but not that one.
And the Pasture is a TNG era ship that just lasted into the AGT timeline, it's not a new ship from that time.
Do you mean that the Olympic Class is based on the Daedalus Class (U.S.S. Essex)? It's not. It has a sphere instead of a saucer that's where the similarities start and end.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I think its a a dreadnout class ,yamato is just a name same like galaxy class Enterprise-D and Sovereign class also named Enterprise-E so battle oriented ship is supposed to be called as dreadnought class right?
And every other ship refited and redesigned stict for combat purposes in top tier class should be called dreadnought class like "Sovereign dreadnout cruiser" or "Oddysey dreadnought cruiser" for example.
The AGT Enterprise is the same ship. It's still a Galaxy Class, a refit of the original ship. It's not a new class. At most, it would be either a type (refit) or a variant of the Galaxy. So "Riker-Type" or "Devron-Type" or "Galaxy Variant"
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Okay, Miranda-class was listed onscreen on the USS Brattain's Dedication Plaque. The USS Defiant from Enterprise's In a Mirror Darkly shows Constitution-class on its Dedication Plaque. Enterprise-B was called an Excelsior on its MSD and its Dedication Plaque.
I have personally called the Galaxy-X, the Devron from STO, though it could be the Victory from the USS Victory of Battle Group Omega.
But we still have to do a mental insertion whenever the older episodes/movies present "all" of the Enterprises (ex. TMP.)
But...that does bring up a serious question. So we have the Constitution class and the refit Constitution class not "officially" called the Enterprise class because [so say movie people quoted on Ent-class wiki] there's supposedly already an Enterprise class somewhere back in Federation history. Is that radially designed NX precursor, what the NX/NX refit eventually becomes, or is there another "missing" Enterprise from TOS/TNG era Star Trek?
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I was referring to the dedication plaque, not the rather illegible computer displays and ducks in the MSDs
Thanks. That's all I wanted to know.
I don't think TMP was necessarily displaying all of the Ent's, just a few favourites.
If there was a previously listed Enterprise Class, I'd say it's the NX refit from the calendar.
Not that that matters as it's not canon. But I'm not particularly bothered whether it's Constitution Refit or Enterprise Class.
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Most likely (once NX graduates to NCC) but there is just a little room to [theoretically] fit one more Enterprise in if anyone ever feels strongly enough about covering the NCC-001 to NCC-1000 range of Starfleet history (they still have to get from the NX-Refit to TOS-era Starfleet designs.)
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That would be the Kelvin (and the Armstrong etc.) from ST09. The designs not so much the registrations, a system that no writer used properly or understood.
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That's what I meant.
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That and the Axanar off-canon production. My point was just that there were undoubtedly a few classes of ship in between the Constitution and NX, one of which could (unlikely) have snagged the "Enterprise class" label.
I only mention it because if we could decide "no, the Enterprise class is actually free" then if Riker's Galaxy-X was the first of its line and if that warranted a class name unto itself...well the Enterprise class would seem to be the thing to use there.
It wouldn't work for STO or the real post-TNG timeline, but it could (in a fantastically implausible way) be another option. :P
Least of all when I get to set them (I start at the 100XXX's.)
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There can be more than one Enterprise-class in three hundred years. In the last century, there were three Virginia-class warships in service with the US Navy. Battleship - Nuclear Cruiser - Submarine, its all about how you reference the class. There are two Intrepid-class(s) (ENT and VOY), two Hermes-class (s) (TOS and STO).
The ship in ENT is the Intrepid it's not an Intrepid class. The other two main Earth ships are the NX and NC class so the Intrepid is likely a letter class as well (other sources have it as a NV Class).
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Except that there is a Neptune Class. NC class is not listed onscreen but an assumption based on behind-the-scenes reference sketches. Intrepid Class is from the Trek novels.
There is but as the NX and NC (which is the registration on the model) exist, it's unlikely the related design would be a named class rather than a letter class.
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For the game's version yes. For the one-off ship from AGT, it's just a modified Galaxy Class.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Àrtan, yeah. Modified Galaxy was my answer in the first page. Yet the debate goes on over canon...
The Sarajevo's NC-27 registry does not exist on the CGI model, but rather its design sketch. It has as much basis as the USS Akira's NCC-2947.
Does it not? Oh well. Stll only as canon as Intrepid Class though.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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Except, of course, the U.S.S. Yamato is canon from TNG. It pops up a couple times in the first two seasons before being destroyed.
For Japanese names, the U.S.S. Akira always struck me as far more bizarre and out there. I mean, I don't bat an eye at the U.S.S. Hood, for one. And with all the ships in and out of canon that have reused real ship names (the Defiant, Resolute, Enterprise, Intrepid, ect) that one always stuck out to me.
I've always read it as a Roman numeral, which sounds slightly less derpy. Implying it was the result of heavy modifications and retrofits... which fits with what we saw on screen and in game.
I mean, to some extent it was TNG dragging out an idea from one of the technical manuals from the Original Series, and giving it legs.
There's a refit of the Constitution that isn't in canon now, but used to be, which added a third nacelle, an additional shuttle bay, heavily overhauled the ships weapons (though no spinal lance), and some other modifications. At one point, Rodenberry classed the entire book as canon, and it's got a lot of interesting stray information, like actual sewing patterns for the TOS uniforms and "circuit diagrams" for the type II phasers.
EDIT: It was the Starfleet Technical Manual, and apparently the Dreadnought I'm thinking of, the Federation Class, is canon, at least peripherally. It shows up on training screens in TWoK and one is identified by name in TMP.
It also includes a bunch of ships. Some of them were never seen again, like that Constitution refit, and others did pop up again later. Incidentally, the Pasteur and our T3 golfballs are, like the Future Enterprise, another 25th century take on one of the ships detailed in there. And, then I think I remember hearing Enterprise actually used those in one of the later seasons, after I'd stopped watching.
Given the relative age of the Akira class, that registry number sounds way too low. Most 24th century ships had five digit registries. Even with how the registry numbers are supposed to work, that number should be for an Excelsior class ship, I'd think.
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The Federation Class isn't in TWoK, the other ships are but not that one.
And the Pasture is a TNG era ship that just lasted into the AGT timeline, it's not a new ship from that time.
Do you mean that the Olympic Class is based on the Daedalus Class (U.S.S. Essex)? It's not. It has a sphere instead of a saucer that's where the similarities start and end.
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'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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And every other ship refited and redesigned stict for combat purposes in top tier class should be called dreadnought class like "Sovereign dreadnout cruiser" or "Oddysey dreadnought cruiser" for example.
Thats a downer knowing Tolmarius is vowing for a name other than what she truly has become irl and IG.
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