When fail becomes a heroic movement....

catstarsto

Theres this new mental disorder, like when people said they where supposed to be born the other gender...with this one its not lust motivated, these people desire pity maybe even to get outta doing work. They think they should of been born disabled so they are seeking out doctors to cripple them. Insanity!...pure Insanity!!! These people arent heroes, they are sick! If this is the new movment to become a cripple, what will happen next...sewing yourself to a fish tail because you should of been a mermaid? Im in shock at the depths people are willing to sink to loose their own humanity. :O :O :O :O

http://kfor.com/2015/10/01/woman-says-she-is-happier-than-ever-after-fulfilling-lifelong-wish-of-becoming-blind/

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/22/health/psychology/at-war-with-their-bodies-they-seek-to-sever-limbs.html?_r=0

...wow!

starswordc

I'm not sure what's most offensive here: your transphobia, your disparaging comments towards people with neurological disorders, or making those comments on a forum about a franchise where humanity is supposed to be better than that.

kyrrok

I don't get it. What they aspire to would be an experience I would call hell having come for me. A few years back, I was in a wreck that I could have easily lost something and I am thankful enough to God for not having done so. As someone with a mental disorder myself I have trouble sometimes trying to forgive God for making me as I am. I certainly don't need severed limbs and removed eyes to compound my problems.

artan42

Wow. It's nice you're becoming so open with your hate rather than just making sly asides now. Perhaps you'd be better off far away from Star Trek. Much further off to the right.

People who think they should be disabled need professional guidance (from doctors) not random morons on the internet mocking them. Plus your comparisons between them and transgendered (or transsexual, I can't guarantee you know the difference) is incorrect. Comeback when you know even a basic amount about the human mind.

Hehe, time grows short, can't come soon enough .​​

catstarsto

kyrrok wrote: »

I don't get it. What they aspire to would be an experience I would call hell having come for me. A few years back, I was in a wreck that I could have easily lost something and I am thankful enough to God for not having done so. As someone with a mental disorder myself I have trouble sometimes trying to forgive God for making me as I am. I certainly don't need severed limbs and removed eyes to compound my problems.

people dont appreciate what they have until its gone. If youve ever visited people in the hospital who have suffered loss, its very difficult for them to learn to cope with. kids are the toughest ones to see saddened when they get hurt or sick, but its why i try to use humor to cheer them up when ever i can, some of them might not be there the next day. its insulting when doctors who are supposed to heal, instead help inflict and compound the problem further!

....yeah i know some of u are for gender bending and speak out about it often, u should know im not. people need to learn to accept what and who they are (look in the mirror), otherwise it will lead to mental disorders or even skin carvings (ive seen this too)

artan42

catstarsto wrote: »

people need to learn to accept what and who they are

Right! Does that go for anybody? Should people with schizophrenia accept them selves or seek help? What about people with infections? Accept themselves as ill or go seek help? If you have a problem you seek help, if you don't feel comfortable in yourself you seek help.

OR do you have any other solution eh?​​

catstarsto

artan42 wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

people need to learn to accept what and who they are

Right! Does that go for anybody? Should people with schizophrenia accept them selves or seek help? What about people with infections? Accept themselves as ill or go seek help? If you have a problem you seek help, if you don't feel comfortable in yourself you seek help.

OR do you have any other solution eh?​​

i do think u know what i mean, but the fact still remains when u go to a doctor for something, he isnt supposed to help u accept the illness hes supposed to heal it! (im making fun of doctors and people who are promoting this new movement fyi) if a person does have schizophrenia (using this new way of thinking) would u give them lsd to help them enhance their issue?? or tell they those people really are plotting against u, heres a knife??! i know the push for P.C. but this is why people like Paul Harvey did radio broadcasts like "if i where the devil" to warn of dangers of such things....im talking to a brick wall i think here, so nm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZGYxzqXuM

artan42

catstarsto wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

people need to learn to accept what and who they are

Right! Does that go for anybody? Should people with schizophrenia accept them selves or seek help? What about people with infections? Accept themselves as ill or go seek help? If you have a problem you seek help, if you don't feel comfortable in yourself you seek help.

OR do you have any other solution eh?

i do think u know what i mean, but the fact still remains when u go to a doctor for something, he isnt supposed to help u accept the illness hes supposed to heal it! (im making fun of doctors and people who are promoting this new movement fyi) if a person does have schizophrenia (using this new way of thinking) would u give them lsd to help them enhance their issue?? or tell they those people really are plotting against u, heres a knife??! i know the push for P.C. but this is why people like Paul Harvey did radio broadcasts like "if i where the devil" to warn of dangers of such things....im talking to a brick wall i think here, so nm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sZGYxzqXuM

How hard is it to spell out 'you'? It seems you lack a basic understanding on how to deal with neurological issues so your attempt to second guess treatment options is baseless.

Also it's impossible to tell what you mean by 'new movement' I can't tell if you mean bollocks like crystals, herbs and praying illness away or whether you mean actually getting to the root of issues rather than giving them a pill.

Haha, you think I'm a brick wall, I don't base any-part of my life on the handbook to circular reasoning.

On the other hand I've found another chance to use the new 'block' button.​​

jonsills

Body dysmorphia disorder is quite real. It is not, however, treated by giving in to the patient's disorder. Gender dysmorphia sometimes is, as it's a safe enough series of operations; however, it's also quite expensive.

As for that first story you cite, the one that probably started this off, it may not be quite the way your link presents.

gradii

I'm not sure what's most offensive here: your transphobia, your disparaging comments towards people with neurological disorders, or making those comments on a forum about a franchise where humanity is supposed to be better than that.

Let me get this straight.

People should be open minded about the beliefs/desires of other people, but at the same time, they can't be?

that seems to be the idea I'm getting by some people's overreaction to the OP.

jonsills

"Overreaction"? Body dysmorphia disorder isn't about "wanting to get out of work"; it's about a delusional obsession with getting rid of unwanted body parts. It's not, at base, dissimilar from such weight-loss obsessions as anorexia nervosa or bulemia.

And gender dysmorphia disorder isn't "lust-based"; if all you want is to have sex with members of your own gender, there are plenty of people out there willing to help you do so.

Add to that the fact that catstar couldn't even be bothered to check out the story - just running into it on social media was sufficient, as if Twitter and Facebook were bastions of responsible journalism. Now, if this were the first time he'd engaged in such behavior, a little gentle chiding might have been in order - but this isn't, not by a long shot.

gulberat

jonsills wrote: »

Body dysmorphia disorder is quite real. It is not, however, treated by giving in to the patient's disorder.

This sums it up. It is indeed a disorder and if you were to research further into it, you would find there are indications of actual brain activity/neurological issues. Consider the phantom limb phenomenon, and then imagine its opposite: in a phantom limb patient, the brain insists that the absence is anomalous and provides signals. In a patient with body dysmorphia, the brain insists that the incoming signals are anomalous and while not actually going as far as to cut off sensation, it treats it as improper input. Consider a much more mundane example (though by no means a direct comparison): in a person with significantly better sight in one eye, if they do not get glasses early, the brain will pay greater attention to the input from the better eye than to the other. This can lead to a lack of depth perception since the requirements for stereoscopic vision are not met--not because the other eye isn't providing input, but because the brain is filtering some input out. The brain can do some very unusual things indeed.

In body dysphoria, there are indications that the brain does not handle the signals from the affected area in the same way as it does the rest of the body. This suggests to my nonprofessional mind that the proper treatment would involve either treating with medicine or use of other therapies such as mirrorboxing (used to treat the opposite and far more common and well explained condition of phantom limb pain) or...heck, I don't know, maybe even deep brain stimulation, could be used to improve signal processing and help the patient properly integrate the "missing area" into their neural map of their body.

The doctors that gave in violated their oath to the medical profession. On that I most certainly agree.

Gender dysmorphia sometimes is, as it's a safe enough series of operations; however, it's also quite expensive.

Similarly, my understanding is that gender dysphoria shows neurological indicators as well as other potential factors. But the thing that is particularly of note about transgender is that sometimes (not always) there is a genetic or physiological basis, where someone was born intersex and doctors or parents made an arbitrary decision on how to deal with the physical abnormalities and how they were going to raise their child, that turned out not to align with the child's self-conception. In other words, such cases are iatrogenic, because someone jumped the gun with sex assignment surgery. It's not always iatrogenic in nature, but it can be. Put in layman's terms, it could even be reasonably argued that such early sex assignment surgery in the case of intersex individuals or those with chromosomal abnormalities is a form of medical malpractice. Given that, and given that sex reassignment does not leave a person with a disability, I don't think of it the same way as body dysmorphia. And again, given the potential medical causes that can be behind it, I do not feel it appropriate to speak out of turn about a particular individual when I am not a doctor and I don't have that person's medical records to fully understand the possible causes.

There is no equivalency between gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia--not, unless someone can show a case where it was directly caused by some form of medical malpractice.

artan42

gulberat wrote: »

where someone was born intersex and doctors or parents made an arbitrary decision on how to deal with the physical abnormalities and how they were going to raise their child, that turned out not to align with the child's self-conception.

It's not always arbitrary though. It probably leads to the same issues you mention, but there are often very good reasons for choosing one sex over the other. These range from physical development and percentage of one health set of organs over another, social concerns about girls (if the organs are not functioning properly they lose, what is often, their only purpose in certain places), or the more morally dubious such as parental preference (not a good thing, just not arbitrary).​​

gulberat

artan42 wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

where someone was born intersex and doctors or parents made an arbitrary decision on how to deal with the physical abnormalities and how they were going to raise their child, that turned out not to align with the child's self-conception.

It's not always arbitrary though. It probably leads to the same issues you mention, but there are often very good reasons for choosing one sex over the other. These range from physical development and percentage of one health set of organs over another, social concerns about girls (if the organs are not functioning properly they lose, what is often, their only purpose in certain places), or the more morally dubious such as parental preference (not a good thing, just not arbitrary).​​

All of that may be, but the point I am making is that there are serious concerns of medical ethics and consequences that have to be weighed--hence my being very careful not to speak presumptuously about what any particular person is going through in that area.

artan42

gulberat wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

where someone was born intersex and doctors or parents made an arbitrary decision on how to deal with the physical abnormalities and how they were going to raise their child, that turned out not to align with the child's self-conception.

It's not always arbitrary though. It probably leads to the same issues you mention, but there are often very good reasons for choosing one sex over the other. These range from physical development and percentage of one health set of organs over another, social concerns about girls (if the organs are not functioning properly they lose, what is often, their only purpose in certain places), or the more morally dubious such as parental preference (not a good thing, just not arbitrary).

All of that may be, but the point I am making is that there are serious concerns of medical ethics and consequences that have to be weighed--hence my being very careful not to speak presumptuously about what any particular person is going through in that area.

Oh I agree with everything you said except for the one word 'arbitrary'. It's a subject I know little about and a happy to let experts decide rather than try to impose my own views on the subject.​​

cmdrscarlet

Absolutely unrelated: I like your sig catstar!

theraven2378

Learn tolerance, no ones perfect

catstarsto

artan42 wrote: »

I've found another chance to use the new 'block' button.​​

...??

so... u can block me from my own thread now??

jonsills wrote: »

"Overreaction?"

^yes

theraven2378 wrote: »

"Never More"

tolerance?....of a doctor burning the eyes out of his patent so she can collect disability? or others removing limbs, that where perfectly usable...im not sure how this can be defended on a rational scale.

cmdrscarlet wrote: »

Absolutely unrelated: I like your sig catstar!

thx =^.^=

artan42 wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

where someone was born intersex and doctors or parents made an arbitrary decision on how to deal with the physical abnormalities and how they were going to raise their child, that turned out not to align with the child's self-conception.

It's not always arbitrary though. It probably leads to the same issues you mention, but there are often very good reasons for choosing one sex over the other. These range from physical development and percentage of one health set of organs over another, social concerns about girls (if the organs are not functioning properly they lose, what is often, their only purpose in certain places), or the more morally dubious such as parental preference (not a good thing, just not arbitrary).

All of that may be, but the point I am making is that there are serious concerns of medical ethics and consequences that have to be weighed--hence my being very careful not to speak presumptuously about what any particular person is going through in that area.

Oh I agree with everything you said except for the one word 'arbitrary'. It's a subject I know little about and a happy to let experts decide rather than try to impose my own views on the subject.​​

Its why im glad there is a star trek community to discuss these things, its something u would expect from a sub-plot in one of the episodes, and one would wonder what McCoy or Phlox would say about it.

artan42

catstarsto wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

I've found another chance to use the new 'block' button.

...??

so... u can block me from my own thread now??

No. It allows me to hide posts from members when I press it. I can then click on their hidden posts (such as now) if I particularly want to see context.


I also had a little think about body dysmorphia last night and (for me anyway) it comes down to the lesser of two evils, if you cannot medically help them in any way you'd be better off acquiescing than letting them go off and jump off buildings or whatever and risk other people in the process.

Again it's entirely up to medical professionals (not uninformed randomers on the internet) to decide what to do and snide asides (such as '...his patent so she can collect disability') helps nobody and is almost certainly the last thing on anybody involved mind's.​​

jorantomalak

catstarsto wrote: »

....yeah i know some of u are for gender bending and speak out about it often, u should know im not. people need to learn to accept what and who they are (look in the mirror), otherwise it will lead to mental disorders or even skin carvings (ive seen this too)

Dont let it get you down catstar to each their own opinion i to am not one of those gender benders from drozana nor do i support such things but if thats what makes them happy so be it.

As far as those people the woman wanting BE blind and what not?

alot of very very screwed up people in this world we live but at the end of the day its them who have to be happy in their own skins like my dad used to say
" People are like the fingers on your hands not all of them are equal , they are all different which makes them unique"

theraven2378

Humans have free will, though it's not always used logically.
It's our nature

For example, if I want to be a red flag toting communist, it's my choice

catstarsto

artan42 wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

I've found another chance to use the new 'block' button.

...??

so... u can block me from my own thread now??

No. It allows me to hide posts from members when I press it. I can then click on their hidden posts (such as now) if I particularly want to see context.
​​

...hmm, i guess if a person is so repulsed by another on here, they could just block them, but if you did that to too many people you would miss the point of a forum. What would be the point of reading a discussion if you only listened to people that told u what you wanted to hear? I realize im not in with the latest things but this P.C. fad seems kinda sheltering. It would be a form of self deception/denial....how would u benefit from not being challenged from an apposing viewpoint or even hear something ...new?

I cant picture picard fanning himself distressed, saying to a threatening enemy, "no nope, i just cant handle hearing from you today mr romulan, your an offense to me! so im going to block you from my view screen!" "Captain they are attacking us." "No mr worf they are not, because today they dont exist!"

Or at a diplomatic discussion: "first off your a stupid moron and i have no idea how they let you in here, so im going to ask u to put this bag over you head and ask you to remain silent for the rest of the discussion!" "Captain how will we know what our host's point will be?" "Ok fine, ill take the bag off, you may speak" "Picard i find your approach to be wrong..." "NO! You are wrong!, the bag goes back on!"

^ thats another thing, whats the point of blocking someone if you just going to unblock to see what they said anyways?
https://youtu.be/u3_3EUKbY00?t=1m22s

jorantomalak wrote: »

catstarsto wrote: »

....yeah i know some of u are for gender bending and speak out about it often, u should know im not. people need to learn to accept what and who they are (look in the mirror), otherwise it will lead to mental disorders or even skin carvings (ive seen this too)

Dont let it get you down catstar to each their own opinion i to am not one of those gender benders from drozana nor do i support such things but if thats what makes them happy so be it.

As far as those people the woman wanting BE blind and what not?

alot of very very screwed up people in this world we live but at the end of the day its them who have to be happy in their own skins like my dad used to say
" People are like the fingers on your hands not all of them are equal , they are all different which makes them unique"

people are different, and thats what makes this world such a wonderful place. i take pleasure in learning about cultures and traditions around the world. the uniqueness of some of them makes me wish i could be there among them for a time to see it all in motion. having so many differences in traditions culture-wise allows me to explore the human imagination and what many wonders our species can develop into when they try to reach new heights of creativity and learning+application.....what bugs me and part of why i made this thread was, to see people taking steps back from progress....this thread isnt about same sex couples, thats actually a different discussion ( but pairing same genders doesnt continue a species) now back on topic, one of the goals in every generations traditions (in cultures that had progress) is to improve ones slef, and there by thier culture and people....much like TNG. But to drug yourself to hide from it, to mutilate yourself, to change who and what you are, is a disadvantage...an identity crisis! If a person cant cope with what they are or find some sort of acceptance, how can they improve to really be called successful?

Trek examples: Geordi didnt want to be blind, he didnt toss off his visor and say "im a hero, let me show u the way!" DIanna didnt help Barclay by writing a new program that glorified him more in there or offer bikini options for his version of her. "here barclay, here barclay im excusing you from duty so you can get further lost in your delusions, have fun and forget about the real world it only troubles you" Those people frozen in the satellite: Crusher wouldnt give the singer drugs "no medical need" she said, but what good would it have done him if she doped him up with the best stuff she had, how would you return him into a society that has evolved past that? ..lean him in a corner over drain, until he is ready for the next dose? lol

its funny and sad to think while some in this world are trying to improve mankind through learning and improving themselves while others are wanting to take a step back. (one step forward, two steps back) "ok hold the line, we have to go back and pick up these guys...again!" XD hope u see what i mean

^ but what do i know, im herbert :P

artan42

Look, I'm not agreeing with the decision of the doctors, I'm saying it's not mine (or your) decision to make. Unless you have hidden credentials then neither of us (or anybody here as far as I'm aware) are doctors specifically mental health doctors.

I'm not going to touch on your anti-PC stuff other than to remark that we are massively overpopulated with massively unequal distribution of resources so anything that reduces our overall numbers is fine by me.​​

catstarsto

artan42 wrote: »

Look, I'm not agreeing with the decision of the doctors, I'm saying it's not mine (or your) decision to make. Unless you have hidden credentials then neither of us (or anybody here as far as I'm aware) are doctors specifically mental health doctors.

I'm not going to touch on your anti-PC stuff other than to remark that we are massively overpopulated with massively unequal distribution of resources so anything that reduces our overall numbers is fine by me.​​​​

how touching... lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvSaDS7M4f8

if youve been paying attention to world events and science magazines, you know they are planning on reducing the population very soon, the viruses and wars arent giving em the numbers they needed. i cant share links to them for risk of violating tos, its difficult to work around a shock collar of censorship when you have a valid point to make. im kinda forced to use trek references to stay on topic for the forums.....i must focus on my inner geek! to give folks a good debate

artan42

catstarsto wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Look, I'm not agreeing with the decision of the doctors, I'm saying it's not mine (or your) decision to make. Unless you have hidden credentials then neither of us (or anybody here as far as I'm aware) are doctors specifically mental health doctors.

I'm not going to touch on your anti-PC stuff other than to remark that we are massively overpopulated with massively unequal distribution of resources so anything that reduces our overall numbers is fine by me.

how touching... lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvSaDS7M4f8

if youve been paying attention to world events and science magazines, you know they are planning on reducing the population very soon, the viruses and wars arent giving em the numbers they needed. i cant share links to them for risk of violating tos, its difficult to work around a shock collar of censorship when you have a valid point to make. im kinda forced to use trek references to stay on topic for the forums.....i must focus on my inner geek! to give folks a good debate

Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post. I have no issues with debated provided they're either from a position of authority or use credible sources from relevant authority.​​

jonsills

Okay, catstar, you need to check your tinfoil hat - I think it's gotten too tight, and is cutting off the blood supply to your brain.

There is no "they" who "want to reduce the population" - if the mysterious "they" existed, "they" would want more people available to do "their" bidding, not fewer. When slavery was still widespread in the world, nobody sought to limit the population of slaves, because it makes no economic sense to do so.

The story of the blind lady? You obviously didn't click on the Snopes link I provided - she was posting as a self-described leader of the blind community for years before the date she claims a psychologist blinded her with bleach (which, by the way, would have been a stupid way to go about blinding someone). It looks in fact like it's more a case of Munchausen syndrome here, where she makes a claim in order to gain sympathy (in this case, the claim that she was blinded by a medical professional) and then adjusts her internal reality so that she believes it's true. It's a subtype of schizophrenia.

In fact, there are no recorded cases of any medical professional, in the field of psychology or anywhere else, attempting to "treat" body dysmorphia by surgically altering the patient in order to make them happy. The treatment involves medication and talk therapy in order to help them understand that the thought pattern they have is disordered, and to bring it back in line with consensual reality, making them happy without mutilating them. Doing otherwise would be malpractice, and would expose both the doctor and the facility the doctor works at to legal repercussions including massive fines and loss of certification. Certainly no doctor is doing any such procedure in order to enable a patient to go on disability - TRIBBLE, we can't even get my wife's doctor to sign off on a handicapped-parking placard despite her various medical maladies!

(Mind you, some sufferers of body dysmorphia do "surgically" modify themselves, if "surgical" can be used to describe someone hacking off their own limb because they don't believe it belongs there, but that generally takes place in a bathroom, not an operating room. It's also frequently fatal.)

gulberat

Jonsills, in the U.S. and UK I think you're right that virtually no doctor would attempt to treat the disorder in that manner. That said, I have read of a few cases of people going overseas where there is less regulation and a more...flexible sense of medical ethics to do so.

Also, I do want to point out an error that we have all been making, myself included. Body dysmorphia is actually not what we are discussing here; the subject of discussion is actually body integrity identity disorder. Body dysmorphia is significantly more responsive to psychoactive meds than BIID, since BD is more related to OCD and other psychiatric disorders. BIID shows evidence of having abnormal neurological development and not just abnormal psychology at its root.

Also, body dysmorphia is in the DSM. BIID has not been added at this time, though research is ongoing.

FYI:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_identity_disorder

jonsills

gulberat wrote: »

Also, body dysmorphia is in the DSM. BIID has not been added at this time, though research is ongoing.

One big reason why I discuss it as "body dysmorphia" - that's rather a catchall term that applies equally well to anorexia, bulimia, and that disorder whose specific name I don't know that leads men to spend hours at the gym and thousands on questionable and sometimes illegal supplements in order to build more and more muscle because they perceive themselves as physically weak, as well as BIID. However, it's difficult to discuss the parameters of a disorder without generally-agreed-upon diagnostic criteria, which is kind of what the DSM is all about. Should BIID become sufficiently well-defined that it winds up in a DSM supplement, or in version 6 whenever that might come out, I can intelligently discuss it as a separate ailment then. (It might well have a better treatment regimen than the current one, too.)

gulberat

That helps that you clarified you were using it as a catchall term. That said even if this is to be considered a subtype of body dysmorphia, I did want to make sure to distinguish since there is some credible evidence of differing causes for different types of symptoms.

catstarsto

jonsills wrote: »

Okay, catstar, you need to check your tinfoil hat - I think it's gotten too tight, and is cutting off the blood supply to your brain.

ok, heres the problem....your approaching this from a (catstar your always wrong) standpoint, its hard to take your arguments as reasonable when u approach every situation with a bias towards someone you dont like

(that old issue of, if you like someone they can do no wrong, if your hate someone they can do no right)

when i first started i did overreact a bit, as the story did shock me as mentioned. when Artan came he began with insults, but then agreed to hear me out and ask why i would come to certain conclusions....i have better reason to hear him out on a matter because instead of dismissing me as crazy, ( how advancement is accomplished) he asked me how i would come to that conclusion, i gave my sources and we both thought it out. you need to work on your approach a bit, a clinical/skeptical attitude is an anchor....remember Galileo, they where ready to lynch him, he had to talk fast but it shouldnt of come to that to begin with!

^ridged forumite code, drink not with thy caitians

gradii

jonsills wrote: »

"Overreaction"? Body dysmorphia disorder isn't about "wanting to get out of work"; it's about a delusional obsession with getting rid of unwanted body parts. It's not, at base, dissimilar from such weight-loss obsessions as anorexia nervosa or bulemia.

And gender dysmorphia disorder isn't "lust-based"; if all you want is to have sex with members of your own gender, there are plenty of people out there willing to help you do so.

Add to that the fact that catstar couldn't even be bothered to check out the story - just running into it on social media was sufficient, as if Twitter and Facebook were bastions of responsible journalism. Now, if this were the first time he'd engaged in such behavior, a little gentle chiding might have been in order - but this isn't, not by a long shot.

I was not refering to the story, nor do I believe the writers of said story are correct. I was pointing out the instant lynching of the OP as a bit overdone.