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Upgrading Lock Box Ships to T6

tyrellityrelli Member Posts: 16 Arc User
in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Put simply its taken a Long time (real) money and Pure luck to get the lock box Ship I wanted, is there any plans to Allow for a Full upgrade to T6 for these ?
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    tyrelli wrote: »
    Put simply its taken a Long time (real) money and Pure luck to get the lock box Ship I wanted, is there any plans to Allow for a Full upgrade to T6 for these ?

    Not that im aware of older LB ships are T5U only which is a sad state of doing things BUT its the cryptic way.

  • lindalefflindaleff Member Posts: 3,734 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    Simply said, no. All new lock box and Lobi ships are Tier 6. But all older ships are stuck at Tier 5U. That said, you do NOT need a Tier 6 ship. Tier 5U is perfectly good as-is. I guarantee you. A properly-equipped Jem'Hadar Dreadnought will out-perform any Tier 6 ship.
    tyrelli wrote: »
    Put simply its taken a Long time (real) money and Pure luck to get the lock box Ship I wanted, is there any plans to Allow for a Full upgrade to T6 for these ?
    1: NEVER use real money in video games. EVER. And in the case of STO, lock boxes are nothing more than a slot machine. And depending on the manufacturer, slot machines can, and commonly ARE rigged to never land on the Jackpot.

    2: Just sell the keys for EC, and simply buy the ship off the Exchange. Problem solved.


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  • bobs1111bobs1111 Member Posts: 471 Arc User
    The T5-U lockbox ship specs are on par with the T6 lockboxes. The hybrid seats while nice are mostly not a big deal... as the old lockboxes almost all have other +s. The only other thing they don't have is a trait unlock which is just fine. I mean if they added traits to ships you already owned people would be happy... but could you imagine the crying if they added a great trait to something like the Tholian Orb or Galor. Those ships are already pricey because they are rare as they come from very old lockboxes that are just terrible to open as the prizes they hold are just not up to par anymore to justify using a key worth almost 4mil ec at this point.

    Bottom line is T5-U is fine on all the old lockbox ships... although I have said for awhile Cryptic needs to delete the oldest lockboxes... never allowing them to get more then 4-5 back. At that point they should have all their prizes rolled into one big "Surplus Hardware" lockbox that got an update every time a new box hit. If they did this... it would be a great way for them to release NEW T6 versions of all the old surplus ships. (expecting Cryptic to just give us upgrades to ships we unlocked 3 or more years ago just won't ever happen)
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Simply said, no. All new lock box and Lobi ships are Tier 6. But all older ships are stuck at Tier 5U. That said, you do NOT need a Tier 6 ship. Tier 5U is perfectly good as-is. I guarantee you. A properly-equipped Jem'Hadar Dreadnought will out-perform any Tier 6 ship.
    tyrelli wrote: »
    Put simply its taken a Long time (real) money and Pure luck to get the lock box Ship I wanted, is there any plans to Allow for a Full upgrade to T6 for these ?
    1: NEVER use real money in video games. EVER. And in the case of STO, lock boxes are nothing more than a slot machine. And depending on the manufacturer, slot machines can, and commonly ARE rigged to never land on the Jackpot.

    2: Just sell the keys for EC, and simply buy the ship off the Exchange. Problem solved.


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    I have a T5U galor , JHDC and monbosh and it out performs any of my T6s
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    Pretty much what lindaleff wrote.

    One note, if your Lock Box ship is very popular (thus profitable), Cryptic might re-release it as T6 at some point. This wouldn't upgrade your ship to the slightly better stats, though. And so far, no Lock Box ship has underwent this treatment, only the JHAS in the form of two Strike ship variants.
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    I think they should let us upgrade our T5U lockbox ships to T6 at some point. While T5U does have 11 consoles, they lack a BOff slot and any specialized BOff seating compared to T6. This does make them slightly worse. For instance I would love to have pilot maneuvers and a pilot BOff seat on my Nicor.

    As long as these ships continue to be the grand prize from their corresponding lockboxes, they need to be the best ships you can get. If not it's gipping every customer who bought master keys to open these boxes. Why would you continue to let players spend money on something that rewards them with an obsolete prize?

    I'm not saying it should be easy, or handed to us on a silver platter. I would spent some dilithium to upgrade my Nicor to T6. Maybe make it a DOff assignment "Refit (insert name of lockbox ship)" where it borrows your ship for a day, costs dilithium and needs a bunch of DOffs to complete.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    T6 isn't needed to be successful within this game. Neither is Mk XIV Epic-quality gear. Unless your intention is to best (or at least try to best) every other player in the game (which is a futile point anyway) then there's no need for the best of everything.

    This game doesn't have balance, if it did, then maybe the circumstances behind having top grade stuff would make a difference. It would be nice to have the T6 Galor, or T6 Aquatic Cruiser, but one console and a few improvements over Hull and Shields aren't going to make any difference in the grand scheme of things, and these starship traits are no more a gimmick than specialist consoles were back in their day.

    The same can be said for these new specializations; Intel, Command and Pilot. They're not actually needed, they're just more gimmicks intended to add something new and fresh into the game. Many people (myself included) are getting by just fine using the pure Tac/Eng/Sci powers.
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    The BOff specializations have an enormous impact on the ship's performance. BOff abilities are more important than hull, shields, or even the number of consoles. Having a Command, Intelligence, or Pilot BOff seat opens up a world of possibilities that no T5U ship could ever have.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    The BOff specializations have an enormous impact on the ship's performance. BOff abilities are more important than hull, shields, or even the number of consoles. Having a Command, Intelligence, or Pilot BOff seat opens up a world of possibilities that no T5U ship could ever have.
    That's still possibilities that aren't needed.

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  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    I'm more than happy with my T5-U Krenn as-is, thanks, especially now both consoles work.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    I think the option should exist. The JHAS was never actually a lockbox ship so I don't think it needs to be the precedent.
    lindaleff wrote: »
    Simply said, no. All new lock box and Lobi ships are Tier 6. But all older ships are stuck at Tier 5U. That said, you do NOT need a Tier 6 ship. Tier 5U is perfectly good as-is. I guarantee you. A properly-equipped Jem'Hadar Dreadnought will out-perform any Tier 6 ship.
    tyrelli wrote: »
    Put simply its taken a Long time (real) money and Pure luck to get the lock box Ship I wanted, is there any plans to Allow for a Full upgrade to T6 for these ?
    1: NEVER use real money in video games. EVER. And in the case of STO, lock boxes are nothing more than a slot machine. And depending on the manufacturer, slot machines can, and commonly ARE rigged to never land on the Jackpot.

    2: Just sell the keys for EC, and simply buy the ship off the Exchange. Problem solved.


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    And, again, it is not on Cryptic's longterm interests for people to think like the poster above did. It should be a great idea to spend real money in video games and so an effort should be made to avoid people feeling this way.
  • ryugasiriusryugasirius Member Posts: 283 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    As long as these ships continue to be the grand prize from their corresponding lockboxes, they need to be the best ships you can get. If not it's gipping every customer who bought master keys to open these boxes. Why would you continue to let players spend money on something that rewards them with an obsolete prize?

    Well, you won't find these old lockboxes anymore, so in a sense they are obsolete. You only get them if you are actively seeking them (exchange/trading) because you specifically want something that is obsolete (because it looks good or whatever or has a very useful console), so it's not that you're tricked into opening them.
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  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    I don't see why they don't put something in the C-Store, like a Ship Upgrade Token, that allows any ship to use T6 abilities. I can't honestly say at the T6 abilities really interest me at all, but some really unique Traits from lock box ships might be fun.
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    edited September 2015
    They have ship upgrade tokens, but they are used to get a T5 ship to T5U, not T6.

    I agree though we should be able to take any T5 ship to T6.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    The devs should just change the label on the upgraded ships to T6 instead of T5U and almost all of this pointless whining could be ended.

    T5U = T6. The nitpicking about the traits is stupid, since not all T6 ships have trait unlocks either.
  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    The devs should just change the label on the upgraded ships to T6 instead of T5U and almost all of this pointless whining could be ended.

    T5U = T6. The nitpicking about the traits is stupid, since not all T6 ships have trait unlocks either.

    T5U isn't T6. They would need to give T5U ships BOff specializations as well as:

    Pilot maneuvers if it has pilot seating
    Integrated Cloak (not requiring a console) if it has intelligence seating
    Don't know on Command seating. Command ships from what I can tell don't have any extra gimmick on them.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    warpangel wrote: »
    The devs should just change the label on the upgraded ships to T6 instead of T5U and almost all of this pointless whining could be ended.

    T5U = T6. The nitpicking about the traits is stupid, since not all T6 ships have trait unlocks either.

    T5U isn't T6. They would need to give T5U ships BOff specializations as well as:

    Pilot maneuvers if it has pilot seating
    Integrated Cloak (not requiring a console) if it has intelligence seating
    Don't know on Command seating. Command ships from what I can tell don't have any extra gimmick on them.
    Command specialization ships have an Inspiration mechanic

    But any ship not a dedicated specialization ship has neither pilot manoeuvres, nor Command Inspiration abilities nor Cloak or Intel Sensor abilities.​​
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  • dd1mdd1m Member Posts: 171 Arc User
    lockbox ships already got a free T5-U upgrade, can't see cryptic allowing it to be upgraded to a T6 without making you get a whole new ship.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    The BOff specializations have an enormous impact on the ship's performance. BOff abilities are more important than hull, shields, or even the number of consoles. Having a Command, Intelligence, or Pilot BOff seat opens up a world of possibilities that no T5U ship could ever have.

    What does it really add though honestly? The only real ability that I would call game changing is OSS...or maybe SS III but most T6 ships don't even have access to SS III.
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  • therealmaddmatttherealmaddmatt Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    A few days ago I went looking at Sci T6s as a potential replacement for my Sci-cap's Wells class. The most attractive setup I found was the Pathfinder (Intrepid), but I found all it had over the Wells was the typical increase in one rank of a BOFF seat, an Intel specialization of another seat, and an otherwise replaceable Ship Trait -- all of which wouldn't increase the effectiveness of what I'm flying enough to justify the 3,000 zen it costs. Aside from that, all the Wells' other stats are either on-par, or marginally superior to the T6.

    Needless to say, I didn't buy anything. Mind you, if I were starting out with a lesser ship, I'd have made the purchase, but otherwise, like most everyone else here, I've found the majority of T6 upgrades aren't worth it.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Yes, with the 'Last' chance to get the (Fill in the Blank) Lockbox before they release a new one they make older ones available as drops as well as stated above. They also put all the older ones in the Dilithium Store as well for, I believe 200 Dilithium for a stack of 20. It would be very easy to flood the market with these older Lockboxes. The current 'problem' with the Xindi-T boxes going for 200k a pop would dry right up, but obviously not until after the 'Robber Barons' already made their killing.
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  • kamiyama317kamiyama317 Member Posts: 1,295 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    kamiyama317 wrote: »
    The BOff specializations have an enormous impact on the ship's performance. BOff abilities are more important than hull, shields, or even the number of consoles. Having a Command, Intelligence, or Pilot BOff seat opens up a world of possibilities that no T5U ship could ever have.

    What does it really add though honestly? The only real ability that I would call game changing is OSS...or maybe SS III but most T6 ships don't even have access to SS III.

    If you go to the bridge officer trainer you can see all the new abilities each spec gives you. There are a whole bunch. Personally I would love to have pilot team on my Nicor - it's basically a copy of evasive maneuvers, but with a faster cooldown. I'm always aggravated that evasive maneuvers is on cooldown so this would help.
  • kayajaykayajay Member Posts: 1,990 Arc User
    therealmaddmatt wrote: »
    A few days ago I went looking at Sci T6s as a potential replacement for my Sci-cap's Wells class. The most attractive setup I found was the Pathfinder (Intrepid), but I found all it had over the Wells was the typical increase in one rank of a BOFF seat, an Intel specialization of another seat, and an otherwise replaceable Ship Trait -- all of which wouldn't increase the effectiveness of what I'm flying enough to justify the 3,000 zen it costs. Aside from that, all the Wells' other stats are either on-par, or marginally superior to the T6.

    Needless to say, I didn't buy anything. Mind you, if I were starting out with a lesser ship, I'd have made the purchase, but otherwise, like most everyone else here, I've found the majority of T6 upgrades aren't worth it.

    Stick to your Wells, if only for the Canon and sex appeal of the design.
  • groomofweirdgroomofweird Member Posts: 1,045 Arc User
    Honestly I dont think T6 versions of old lockbox ships are needed.
    I have a variety of tier 6 vessels on my main toon and have unlocked some very nice traits which I then use when I am using my T5U vessels.
    Honestly right now I am loving my Nihydron destroyer, I'm running it with a full rack of nice starship traits and I see no real difference in performance between that and my T6 vessels.
    Its the same across the board with many (not all) of my T5U vessels.
    That is just my experience of course.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    Not that im aware of older LB ships are T5U only which is a sad state of doing things BUT its the cryptic way.
    Which is better than most of what you'll get from other MMORPGs. Hell, good luck getting ANY upgrades from other MMORPGs, most just tell you to replace everything.
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    I would be very happy if they ever let us swap out, trade, and upgrade a single Lt. BO station on each ship.
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  • macwilliam1975macwilliam1975 Member Posts: 88 Arc User
    This won't happen because they would have to rewrite too much code.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    They will just re-release them all so you can open more boxes to get them again. Enjoy!
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