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If STO doesn't want to invest into a whole new factions, how do you feel about making some race types non-faction available (available to UPF, KDF, RR). Basically a rogue group that can operate within the existing factions and players with lockbox ships for those factions can then use those ships with a proper version of a captain for the ship. Of course, this would be a zen purchase addition to the account that would give Cardassian, Jem'Hadar, and some of the lesser Gamma Quad races (but no Changlings, since they have no interest in being with solids). Additionally, the purchase give alien parts that allow players to fix existing pseudo-canon races to look like proper Cardies and Jems. ( maybe even add some parts for the Delta Quad races like the Hirogen). It would not be a full-blown faction, but you will get an add-on pack that gives more reality to some of the missing canon races only available through limited alien designs.
Is this an acceptable alternative, would you only press them more for Cardassian/Dominion faction, or... just doesn't matter anymore.
Is this an acceptable alternative, would you only press them more for Cardassian/Dominion faction, or... just doesn't matter anymore.
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Having said that though, I'd rather have a full Dominion Faction than some sorta Cardashian flavored thing.
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On the flip-side, I could also see Alpha Jem'hadar trying to sign up with the KDF, as they are much more warrior culture than the Federation is. The Klingons would probably enjoy having Jem'hadar troopers in their ranks, too.
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I think the big issue here is that people have made (and played) 100% accurate Cardassians for years.
IMHO, in spite of players' emotional reaction to this in some cases, I think it would make the most sense just to put the uniforms on the Lobi Store. Put the ships on the C-Store with KDF version getting some unique parts/alt hull and Fed version getting some unique parts/alt hull. Put the traits and weapons in rep and fleet projects.
Maybe throw in an optional mission where you can report to Garak and stand revealed as a surgically altered Obsidian Order operative. Most countries spy on their close friends. U.S./U.K./Canada infiltrate eachother all the time.
So you just get presented with a big choice: Are you secretly an OO operative who has been spying on a friendly faction all along? If yes then you get reformatted as a Cardassian. If no then you stay as you are.
Species reformatting is already the tech behind Romulan allegiance. In the game code, unaligned, Fed, and KDF Roms are three different species and they undergo a species conversion when they choose a side.
So that's what you do here.
You get captured chasing an intelligence operative working for Garak. He catches you and says, "Hold on, aren't you the operative I surgically altered and placed at Starfleet/Klingon Acadamy/That Romulan colony?" If you say "no", you continue the story as you are. If you say "yes", you get altered back.
And then the story diverges there AT ENDGAME with different content that depends on whether you're a secret operative or not.
STO has it's own canon.
I do not think that a fourth faction would work well with STO, there is a reason why Klingon and Federation get closer to each other. This game has trouble supporting three factions as it is.
What I would like to see is themed bundle packs (in the C-Store) that enable us to play as a Cardassian/Vorta/Jem'Hadar etc, but within an existing faction. The bundle packs would include three to five unique missions (depending on the species you've chosen) explaining the reason for joining the Federation/Imperials/Republicans and would also include a starter ship (for use until level #10) and then some faction specific ships for use in later levels (#40+).
Cryptic would make a killing from sales, and this would be the perfect way to introduce as many species as they deemed necessary without the need for an entire new faction. To be honest, it's what they should have done with the Romulans too.
Cryptic never went with that suggestion because they're against having players have to pay to unlock anything that has a tiny bit of story content. If they're going to go about creating a new playable species just to have them with a beginning storyline separate from the three factions, they might as well just make a new faction. Just face the fact that something what you suggest will never happen flash.
no, no , no content in packs bad, even bad fetch quests shouldn't be sold. less sto turn into one of those "free to play" games that lock content behind pay walls. rest sounds fine.
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Quite simply, have it so that people need to complete a specific rep set (Mirror Rep?) and then they unlock a Cardassian Bundle Pack; though give people the option to also purchase it directly if they don't want the Rep grind. It's a simple solution.
Thanks for making it personal...
I didn't mean to make it sound personal Flash. I just think that if a playable Cardassian factions is wanted then Cryptic will want to make a faction like the Romulans. They were so close to introducing a playable Borg (Cooperative) faction during the development of Delta Rising.
Even the whole locking it behind reputation doesn't make any sense to me. Remans were locked behind the New Romulus reputation, but that was one species, not a species, an alternate storyline and a starter ship. Having it optional to actually purchase without grinding still makes it story content that should not have to be paid for in order to play.
They probably would, but that is primarily where my concern lies. The Republic works, but it's far from finished, and Cryptic are powering on through the game without tidying the Green Team up. If the team (Cryptic) can't truly support three factions, what hope is there for a fourth?
They were? I had heard rumours about that, but nothing concrete. What do you know?
I see what you're getting at, I guess I just want to play as a Cardassian that isn't an Alien Generated one. Cardassians always interested me more than Romulans too. I just don't want them to be wasted like the Dominion have been; with the number of their ships available to us now, and that [tailor-locked] Jem Hadar boff, the likelihood of ever seeing a Dominion faction is slim at best.
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Commercially,it makes sense, we are getting "exploration" (or at least they are announcing it as exploration) in season 11, when polled, people asked for the gamma quadrant and cardassians after exploration.
Plus a whole new faction, that's a lot of easy money for cryptic, they'll sell a couple of 150 bucks packs like they did with new Romulus and a lot of new zen ships.
This is how I envision it. Add to that the fact that the Cardassians have very good reason to hold the Klingons in contempt after the invasion of '72 (and the Klingons have amply demonstrated an inability to learn from their behavior and helped again to weaken the quadrant before a greater enemy), and I think it makes great sense to restrict playable Cardassians to the Federation. Let the Klingons have the Jem'Hadar.
Regardless of whether we get a buyable Cardassian, I would also like a uniform because I am not about to reroll my Cardassian-alien main that I've had since I started the game.
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Just dropping by to agree with the OP.
I wouldn’t event want to have another faction and the player numbers of KDF and Romulans show that far less enjoy them as much as the federation side.
Cardassians, Dominon, even Borg? I doubt that those faction would be a great long term success and would even remotely justify the development costs.
Just make more species available and let them choose the factions.
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Except with the Cardassians it would actually make sense. They ceased being a major power the moment the Dominion lost the war.
Arguably they ceased being one the moment Dukat sold them to the Dominion. They are little more than a client state of the Federation now.
This is stuff already established in Trek canon. The Romulans on the other hand needed a series of convoluted events that went far beyond the destruction of Romulus to reduce a powerful interstellar empire to the lapdog of the Federation and Klingons.
It would be far better to have the actual races, though. And a few missions specifically for them.
I mean really, a Vorta mission writes itself. Especially if it involved a voiced Weyoun.
Cept Remans are only available to RR and Joined Trill are only available to Fed and KDF?
I personally see a Cardassian faction one day...we've seen no ships since they mistakenly released the Galor...but more and more I think about it...and the way my views of this game have changed in the last few months...maybe just making player races are better than just making new factions.
I used to love Romulans but it's hard to get over all of the faction imbalance and the only time RR or KDF gets something new is when Feds do...and they don't always even get something new just because Feds do.
Months ago I was opposed to the idea of Romulans and other races being added to Starfleet and other cross faction races...but what is the point anymore? Most people just play Fed Tacs...why not homogenize everything else?
Even if I had to pay zen and reroll...I'd probably go for a Starfleet Romulan and Cardassian...don't know if I have it in me to roll on a new faction knowing its future is already written in the sand...
I would find this equitable because it would not force me to reroll Admiral Berat, my main of three years. To have the uniform and weapons to go with my ship would be very nice.
BTW, even in game, the old uniform DOES exist, but it's only used by low-ranking Cardassians. I would of course use that canon option on my main as opposed to the overblown, impractical True Way armor.
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I had a look. It does, after a fashion. The ridges stuff is meant to consist the whole top except the inverted triangle bit, in the game it smooth, with the ridged material only existing in certain parts. There's also a misshapen diamond pattern and a missing division line on the triangle.
On the upside, the new update gives the their accurate trousers and boots.
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