What about the servitors?

psycoticvulcan

So the Iconians have ended the war and withdrawn to their homeworld, taking the Heralds with them. That leaves the Elachi, the Solanae, the Bluegill, the Vaadwaur, and what remains of the Tal Shiar unaccounted for.

I expect the Solanae will stick to their masters, since they really have nowhere to go. Ditto with the Bluegill, since the Solanae created them in the first place. The Tal Shiar will either self-destruct or surrender to the Republic en masse. But the Elachi, as I understand it, want nothing more than to kidnap people to use for reproduction. If the Iconians are leaving us alone now, what happens to the Elachi? Will they strike out on their own and keep attacking the Republic? And I can't believe the Vaadwaur will be content to sit around in the Iconia system for however many millenia it takes for the Iconians to rebuild their planet.

What do you think will happen?

gulberat

I think the Vaadwaur may be angry at being played by the Iconians and sold out by Gaul. I think whatever happens they will be more like the Cardassians than anything and want to lick their wounds alone. They still have a chance to learn how to be a civilized people in the galaxy IMO.

What I wonder about is the Heralds themselves, if L'Miren, at least, will feel guilty about the cruelty she inflicted on hers. I wonder if the damage to them will be undone. I think if I were the diplomat there I would've made a sharp remark to her about the Dominion learning all the wrong kinds of lessons from her actions. Let her stew in that guilt too, assuming she's not too far gone.

azurianstar

Probably all will be under T'ket's command now.

The Vaadwaur and Tal Shiar are left to survive on their own. Which likely means the Vaadwaur will surrender and focus on rebuilding their civilization (under watchful eye). While the Tal Shair fight amongst themselves in power grabs in claiming the throne, at the same time fighting a covert war with the Republic.

coupaholic

I would think a general ceasefire order would spread through the ranks, and every faction will just retreat back to their respective home turfs to lick their wounds. T'Ket would take all forces still loyal to her to carry on the fight however, as the convenient excuse to have all the queues still going.​​

caltharian

f2pdrakron wrote: »

gulberat wrote: »

I think the Vaadwaur may be angry at being played by the Iconians and sold out by Gaul.

This is never know because as Takedown plays "they must never know".

The Vaadwaur ceased to be "allies" the moment Gaul died, Eldex appears to taken command of them and he certainly pursuing his own goals.

"they must never know" referenced the fact that gaul didnt have a bluegill

he needed to have one in the eyes of his people to explain all of the dickery he got upto

amosov78

I kind of want the Elachi to push out on their own, away from T'Ket. Out of all the servitor species, they have the best looking ships/stations/interior maps. It'd be interesting to see how they'd figure out their place now that all but one of the Iconians have left them to their own devices. I just hope that it'd be better than what the Drakh planned in Babylon 5.

lighte007

An Elachi Plague.. that would be interesting since in Babylon 5, that plague was cured with the Excalibur. =P

allyoftheforce

The Elachi, Solanae, bluegill controled races and what's left of T'kets Heralds will follow T'ket and continue the war. I expect the Elachi and Solanae races will be split on who to follow. Making their numbers mean nothing but still a threat and will only slow down the rebuilding efforts. I suspect that this will end up with T'ket dead at some point in the future. As for the rest of the Iconians and their forces that want to be left alone, I see another "General Order 7" in the story line. Alliance General Order #

This would be a good opportunity to introduce outposts for solo players. The outpost location would be near the edge of the Iconian sector block. Similar to a Starbase, but something that solo players can work on.

artan42

I'm sure what's left of the RSE will be taking care of the Tal Shiar.​​

starswordc

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

artan42

starswordc wrote: »

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

I don't see why. Any Romulan world that didn't join the Republic is still part of the RSE. The Tal Shiar are at war with the RSE, sure hte Republic can tag along, but it's not meant to be very big ingame anyway. It's only New Romulus, the RSE has multiple worlds.​​

lizwei

The Solanae and Elachi are almost exactly like the Drakh from Babylon 5, and could possibly become a problem if their masters are suddenly no longer interested in militant expansion.

Yeah there's T'ket but she's not any kind of political strategist, I doubt she retains control of anything except her own Heralds.

lordinsane

artan42 wrote: »

starswordc wrote: »

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

I don't see why. Any Romulan world that didn't join the Republic is still part of the RSE. The Tal Shiar are at war with the RSE, sure hte Republic can tag along, but it's not meant to be very big ingame anyway. It's only New Romulus, the RSE has multiple worlds.​​

I'm fairly sure there have been more indications the Republic as of Uneasy Allies has become a multi-world polity than that one Fed-only mission in their Romulan arc that involves a world considering whether to join the Republic, remain neutral (which, of course, proves it isn't as binary as RSE/RR for Romulan worlds) or affiliate with Sela's RSE.

starswordc

artan42 wrote: »

starswordc wrote: »

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

I don't see why. Any Romulan world that didn't join the Republic is still part of the RSE. The Tal Shiar are at war with the RSE, sure hte Republic can tag along, but it's not meant to be very big ingame anyway. It's only New Romulus, the RSE has multiple worlds.​​

You're missing the point. It's not planets, it's shipbuilding and trained crews. Those don't grow on trees. Regardless of whether the RR or RSE is bigger on a map, the hard canon fact is the RR has far more military resources to throw around, as does the Tal Shiar military junta despite the blows it takes over the course of the RR storyline. All the RSE could spare for their empress was a Q-ship and a Mogai ("Uneasy Allies"), whereas the RR somehow can afford to wage war on completely the other side of the galaxy (Solanae Dyson Sphere ep through Delta Rising) and the Tal Shiar can still afford to throw around full-on line battleships ("Uneasy Allies" again).

lizwei

starswordc wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

starswordc wrote: »

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

I don't see why. Any Romulan world that didn't join the Republic is still part of the RSE. The Tal Shiar are at war with the RSE, sure hte Republic can tag along, but it's not meant to be very big ingame anyway. It's only New Romulus, the RSE has multiple worlds.​​

You're missing the point. It's not planets, it's shipbuilding and trained crews. Those don't grow on trees. Regardless of whether the RR or RSE is bigger on a map, the hard canon fact is the RR has far more military resources to throw around, as does the Tal Shiar military junta despite the blows it takes over the course of the RR storyline. All the RSE could spare for their empress was a Q-ship and a Mogai ("Uneasy Allies"), whereas the RR somehow can afford to wage war on completely the other side of the galaxy (Solanae Dyson Sphere ep through Delta Rising) and the Tal Shiar can still afford to throw around full-on line battleships ("Uneasy Allies" again).

I think it's reasonable to assume that the Republic has either control of or at least access to the Vault, which if used as a factory is a stupidly powerful advantage over the other Romulan factions and would explain why they can churn out starships while still a relatively small nation.

orondis

The Tal Shiar are probably all but done for now. Lack of control, lack of command, lack of resources and lack of people, they've pretty much gone already. Maybe they'll go the way of the books and have the remnants form a pact with the Tholians and Breen.

The Vaadwaur will probably be somewhat depowered but still be a major force in the delta quadrant. Going it alone, with their superior firepower being matched by the superior numbers of the alliance.

The Elachi and Solanae will probably be split between T'Ket and the other Iconians. From this point on they'll at worst be involved in skirmishes, not all out wars. Certainly I doubt T'Ket will have the resources or facilities to build any herald craft (if she even has access to the designs).

starswordc

lizwei wrote: »

starswordc wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

starswordc wrote: »

What's left of the legitimate RSE has almost no capital ships left, @artan42, per "Uneasy Allies". The Romulan Republic is now both the strongest Romulan power bloc and the one with the most reason to see the Tal Shiar faction sent into extinction.

I don't see why. Any Romulan world that didn't join the Republic is still part of the RSE. The Tal Shiar are at war with the RSE, sure hte Republic can tag along, but it's not meant to be very big ingame anyway. It's only New Romulus, the RSE has multiple worlds.​​

You're missing the point. It's not planets, it's shipbuilding and trained crews. Those don't grow on trees. Regardless of whether the RR or RSE is bigger on a map, the hard canon fact is the RR has far more military resources to throw around, as does the Tal Shiar military junta despite the blows it takes over the course of the RR storyline. All the RSE could spare for their empress was a Q-ship and a Mogai ("Uneasy Allies"), whereas the RR somehow can afford to wage war on completely the other side of the galaxy (Solanae Dyson Sphere ep through Delta Rising) and the Tal Shiar can still afford to throw around full-on line battleships ("Uneasy Allies" again).

I think it's reasonable to assume that the Republic has either control of or at least access to the Vault, which if used as a factory is a stupidly powerful advantage over the other Romulan factions and would explain why they can churn out starships while still a relatively small nation.

Agreed, especially considering the trouble they go to to hang onto it in "Vault Shuttle Event".