A better Aquarius

blackdog1701

Aquarius Light Escort is a very nice ship and with the added flanking damage it has the extra kick, but it can not compete with high level game play, i have made mt Aquarius a silent hunter Federation Raider, but what it needs is be able to Upgrade to a tier 5 upgrade (T5-U), with the ability to make it a T5-U you would a very fun ship to fly,

Also a more modern Tier 6 type should be looked at, This model would get far better stats, because after looking the original ship, and see it too lightly armored for the Iconian Threat, and other Threats in the universe, a more armored version would be made, this model should have a built in Mask energy signature, but be able to hold a cloaking device, The tier 6 also needs to have 5 forward weapons and 2 aft weapon slots this would make it a heavy front assaulter, with the weakness while flying back for another strike,armor just under the tier 6 escorts once level 60 has been reached,

I like this ship, i understand its just a frigate that was a part of a bigger ship, (Odyssey class) and with the added flanking bonus that the ship gives, make it worth something with a new play style, but i want to take this ship the next step, and give this ship more kick, with the added Hull (Health), and all the other T5-U upgrades, would make players want to try the Aquarius one there own, then people never using it.

seriousdave

What you're describing is basically the Phantom just without the 5/2 layout.

Srsly making a fed pseudo-bop was already bad idea and seeing how stupid it is to get (either 200k fc for a useless t5 or 20k fc & 4 modules + upgrade for a very bad t5u) they know it.

Good for you if you're one of the ~10 people who actually use it but that thing will very likely never get any dev attention again.

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kyrrok

If they put an aquarius with the B'rel and T'varo, no deal! If they put anything but a bird of prey in the attack ship pack, no deal. Only a Defiant/B'rel/T'varo with decent stats could get me to pick it up. The aquarius is a useful second ship to help the Oddysey but not as a first person attack ship.

blackdog1701

beameddown wrote: »

why do you like the Aquarius?

is it because you don't see a million people flying it?
is it because its a small ship and that's different?
is it because it is the butt ship to the odyssey and being one of the few ships in the game a player can fly that technically is a support ship to standard ship?
or
is it because you just like the look of it?

The thing with the Aquarius, is most of what you said, but i have been working that ship to trying new things, and i am able to do hit and runs with with the set ups i used, i dont really regret buying it, i mean i could have gotten the Odyssey class, but i am really good with escorts, and that Cruiser is like the poor mans odyssey, if you DO NOT want to pay anything in this game, then grind a fleet, to get the credits to get a lesser Premium ship.

But still after what you said the upgrade should be free, after all the work you did to get the Aquarius. it would be nice if the Tier 6 Aquarius would be only 600 Zen points, and it would come with a built in cloaking device, the 5/2 weapon loads, and about 45k hull once to rank 60,

The ship levels would have the standard 5 for a Tier 6 ship,
1. 10% crit hit chance while flanking (passive)
2. 10% more damge on flanking (passive)
3. 10% better ship repair rate( passive)
4. 10% better turn rate (passive)
5. The battle cloak (player activate)

They put time and effort to make this work for a player, and set the stats, and no one uses it, i find it sad i REALLY do, and this why they must make the ship better, for that more people would use it, the federation needs more raiders, because they have NON, and it have a very fighter plane like combat style, with strafing, and running for a new point to attack and always being able to dodge fire because of the speed and size.

yakodym

I would just put omniversal stations on that thing, so that you could freely mix and match not only tac/sci/eng skills, but int/com/pil as well. Although that would be probably more appropriate for some new vulcan vessel, because "infinite diversity in infinite combinations"...

blackdog1701

I just wish more people would give it a chance, it works for just fine for me once you realize you are NOT a tank, you are a light escort, and as being a light escort, it does not have the armor that a normal escort has, i have been able to get the hull from the 25.5k to about 36k, which is about the hull rate of a tier 5 escort anyway. People look at the stats, and find it bad, but did you know it can use a cloaking device. i see people in tier 6 ships with 90k hull being killed like no problem, me on the other hand, am moving about so fast, that they cant hit me, but when they do hit you need to be able to get repairs, and still be able to fight, this ship is a fighter, if you ever wanted to play in a fighter this is the ship you need.

That i am really saying is use the ship try to work it and you will see that it is not a bad ship, and that this should be made better, and dont take the support version of this ship from the Odyssey class that thing is not the same as the player version, if you are taking what that support ship is does and thinking that is what the player version is like you are so wrong it hurts. the player version is a hell of a lot better then the Odyssey support craft.

But still give it a chance

blackdog1701

Use RCS consoles, and have an omni beam, for me nukara mines work well to get the better part of the flanking damage in, also you must have hull and shield repair, use traits to get better hull health and resistance rates, and look for sets that give hull repair or shield repair, i play as in engineer for this ship, the miracle worker power helps a great deal.

You must always remember, You are a light Escort, a normal escorts have better armor but the speed lacks for it, (in escort terms) your ship takes out hull health and 1 weapon slot for Speed, and this speed is what makes this ship fun to play, when you are zipping around the battle space, hitting as many enemies in the TRIBBLE as you can. ALSO have a cloaking device if you can get one or other types of cloaking like mask energy or Quantum Singularity Manipulation, for when you need to fast escape from the battle.

blackdog1701

Thank you for giving the Aquarius a second chance, once you get everything worked out and buff that ship up with some nice tech, it really is fun ship to play in.

toiva

I'd like to note the Aquarius can be upgraded to T5-U. But like with any other ships unlocked in Fleets, it needs to be the literally 'Fleet' version. The non-Fleet version is indeed left behind, same as all the Mirror ships (and I loved a number of those).

The Fleet Aquarius (T5-U) is otherwise a pretty strong little ship after they made it a raider with flanking and more universal Boff slots.

blackdog1701

toiva wrote: »

I'd like to note the Aquarius can be upgraded to T5-U. But like with any other ships unlocked in Fleets, it needs to be the literally 'Fleet' version. The non-Fleet version is indeed left behind, same as all the Mirror ships (and I loved a number of those).

The Fleet Aquarius (T5-U) is otherwise a pretty strong little ship after they made it a raider with flanking and more universal Boff slots.

Yes it is a shame you cant upgrade it, i'm flying just a tier 5 ship, but still the ship is good, and people need to see that it is better then what a few people who don't know how to fly it or know the key term in the name which is Light Escort (LIGHT). but i do still think a tier 6 with a 5/2 load out would be a REALLY fun ship to fly heavy Front attack, but getting flanked in this would mean your death.

narthais

It wouldn't get a 5/2 layout because its core concept is based on the BoP which is also only a 4/2 layout. If cryptic want to get adventurous we might see a 5/1 or if they want to get a little crazy 6/0 like an oversized shuttle. Either way a T6 version would be unlikely to get a 7th weapon slot.

toiva

blackdog1701 wrote: »

toiva wrote: »

I'd like to note the Aquarius can be upgraded to T5-U. But like with any other ships unlocked in Fleets, it needs to be the literally 'Fleet' version. The non-Fleet version is indeed left behind, same as all the Mirror ships (and I loved a number of those).

The Fleet Aquarius (T5-U) is otherwise a pretty strong little ship after they made it a raider with flanking and more universal Boff slots.

Yes it is a shame you cant upgrade it, i'm flying just a tier 5 ship, but still the ship is good, and people need to see that it is better then what a few people who don't know how to fly it or know the key term in the name which is Light Escort (LIGHT). but i do still think a tier 6 with a 5/2 load out would be a REALLY fun ship to fly heavy Front attack, but getting flanked in this would mean your death.

What I kinda meant is the non-Fleet versions are meant to not really be competitive. If you want a competitive one, get the Fleet one and upgrade it. (Or just get the pilot ships, they are a cross between raiders and escorts and are OP on top of it.)

And also this:

narthais wrote: »

It wouldn't get a 5/2 layout because its core concept is based on the BoP which is also only a 4/2 layout. If cryptic want to get adventurous we might see a 5/1 or if they want to get a little crazy 6/0 like an oversized shuttle. Either way a T6 version would be unlikely to get a 7th weapon slot.

blackdog1701

narthais wrote: »

It wouldn't get a 5/2 layout because its core concept is based on the BoP which is also only a 4/2 layout. If cryptic want to get adventurous we might see a 5/1 or if they want to get a little crazy 6/0 like an oversized shuttle. Either way a T6 version would be unlikely to get a 7th weapon slot.

I the Aquarius should stay with having only weapon slots, and there must be far fewer in the rear then the forward, maybe they will make a raider pack which will be tier 6 Aquarius/Bird of prey/T'varo warbird pack. and best and OP part of this back it would have universal commander slot for pilot/command/intel, or any other slot for someone, this would make the Aquarius and others be some of the best raiders in the game,

stats
5/2 weapons
3 engineering console
1 science console
4 tacticalc onsole
1 device slot
35k hull at level 60
21 turn rate
flanking
Enhanced Battle Cloak (and only the Aquarius and defiant can use it)
can mount Quad cannons


Boff
1 Commander univeral (pilot, command,intel)
1 Lt.Commander Universal
2 Lt universal
1 ensign universal

5% bonus power to weapons and shields.

I really think this would be a fun ship to add, but still only people who are good with escorts should even try this ship, and i know that Universal command slot is OP as hell, but its also balanced, in a crazy way, with having lesser Boff slots and lower power levels.

narthais

Com uni
Lt Com uni
Lt uni x2

Com uni
Lt Com uni x2
Lt uni

Those are the current main BoP boff layouts, the dual Lt Com layout sacrifices a console slot for it (Fleet Norgh 3/3/3 or 3/3/4 at T5-U)

Specialisations aside the Com uni is not as OP as it sounds. On a BoP you will almost always be slotting a tac officer. there are some exceptions where captains slot a science for a utility BoP but the platform isn't set up well for science play, it just happens to be better than some of the true kdf science options >.>

To be honest anyone that knows how to make the most of a BoP can fly an aquarius well, as it is in effect a gimped version of the BoP. console required for just a standard cloak vs the BoP inbuilt battlecloak (or enhanced battle cloak on the Brel) speed and turn rate are about the same, less flexability in the Boff layout due to the locked Com Tac station which isn't so bad as its usually tac anyway for a BoP as I mentioned.

blackdog1701

When i was making up the stats, i never once looked at the BoP