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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    I just tested this. You actually get to keep the Spec Points, even though they technically exceed your max. So no need to keep them cluttering up your inventory - go ahead and open the package.

    Not adding this to the FAQ, since it's specific to the Spec Point Promo, and not the Skills Invalid bug.

    @borticuscryptic So what happens when you earn more spec points then?!? as when this issue is sorted {( the not able to spend the spec points from today's give away )} i will be maxed out.

    are you kinda saying that when you gain "what would be another spec point" they go bye bye, vanish with no reward {( as in waste of time playing the player with maxed spec )}

    is it worth "not" slotting in the last 3 i have and keep racking them up for the next if ever spec tree as not to waste my time filling my XP bar if you get me ?!?!? bear-8.gif

    Obviously im not asking for you to tell me what to do lol just curious of advice if any you can give
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  • saleh01onesaleh01one Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    I just tested this. You actually get to keep the Spec Points, even though they technically exceed your max. So no need to keep them cluttering up your inventory - go ahead and open the package.

    Not adding this to the FAQ, since it's specific to the Spec Point Promo, and not the Skills Invalid bug.

    @borticuscryptic So what happens when you earn more spec points then?!? as when this issue is sorted {( the not able to spend the spec points from today's give away )} i will be maxed out.

    are you kinda saying that when you gain "what would be another spec point" they go bye bye, vanish with no reward {( as in waste of time playing the player with maxed spec )}

    is it worth "not" slotting in the last 3 i have and keep racking them up for the next if ever spec tree as not to waste my time filling my XP bar if you get me ?!?!? bear-8.gif

    There'll probably another spec soon for you to put those leftover points in eventually. How you filled all 4 trees eludes and amazes me though...
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  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    saleh01one wrote: »
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    I just tested this. You actually get to keep the Spec Points, even though they technically exceed your max. So no need to keep them cluttering up your inventory - go ahead and open the package.

    Not adding this to the FAQ, since it's specific to the Spec Point Promo, and not the Skills Invalid bug.

    @borticuscryptic So what happens when you earn more spec points then?!? as when this issue is sorted {( the not able to spend the spec points from today's give away )} i will be maxed out.

    are you kinda saying that when you gain "what would be another spec point" they go bye bye, vanish with no reward {( as in waste of time playing the player with maxed spec )}

    is it worth "not" slotting in the last 3 i have and keep racking them up for the next if ever spec tree as not to waste my time filling my XP bar if you get me ?!?!? bear-8.gif

    There'll probably another spec soon for you to put those leftover points in eventually. How you filled all 4 trees eludes and amazes me though...

    playing nothing but my main, doing FE's, playing high XP rewarding stuff and grinding my little pew pew pilot ship into dust lol. pig-24.gif

    its taken me 10 months {( or there about's )} to get to the point im only left with 3 empty spaces.

    hence why i am not sure weather to slot them or keep them empty so i dont waste my time playing my main toon.
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  • hawkrunnerhawkrunner Member Posts: 150 Arc User
    I think that there is a maximum number of points that you can earn by leveling up, and once you have "earned" all the points, you will not continue to gain them, so you cannot "pool" excess points by not spending them...although the spec point boxes and this promo seem to ignore that restriction. Further leveling will get you 2,880 dilithium ore whenever you fill the level up bar.
  • centapeedcentapeed Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    Thank you, for your hard work.

  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    hawkrunner wrote: »
    I think that there is a maximum number of points that you can earn by leveling up, and once you have "earned" all the points, you will not continue to gain them, so you cannot "pool" excess points by not spending them...although the spec point boxes and this promo seem to ignore that restriction. Further leveling will get you 2,880 dilithium ore whenever you fill the level up bar.

    I thought this had been removed after the Japori incident?!?
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  • slawek0000slawek0000 Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    I bought on the exchange Attack Pattern Delta Prime starship trait for 70 000 000 ec and after I opened the box, the trait is not shown in the list of starship traits! :#:s
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    hawkrunner wrote: »
    I think that there is a maximum number of points that you can earn by leveling up, and once you have "earned" all the points, you will not continue to gain them, so you cannot "pool" excess points by not spending them...although the spec point boxes and this promo seem to ignore that restriction. Further leveling will get you 2,880 dilithium ore whenever you fill the level up bar.

    Last I heard that was removed months ago.

    Shortly after Delta Rising launched there was an XP exploit in certain system patrols that some players took advantage of. Players were able to quickly max out all specializations then earn lots and lots of dilithium.

    Because of that they decided to remove the dilithium rewarded for filling your XP bar after you earned the max amount of specialization points, even after they fixed the exploit. In other words, once your specializations are maxed you gain nothing at all for continually "leveling up" afterwards. I don't recall them ever reversing that decision.

    It was probably a precaution in case players found a new exploit to quickly max their specs. This way their specs get maxed but they don't earn tons of dil afterwards that winds up flooding the market.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    I just tested this. You actually get to keep the Spec Points, even though they technically exceed your max. So no need to keep them cluttering up your inventory - go ahead and open the package.

    Not adding this to the FAQ, since it's specific to the Spec Point Promo, and not the Skills Invalid bug.

    @borticuscryptic So what happens when you earn more spec points then?!? as when this issue is sorted {( the not able to spend the spec points from today's give away )} i will be maxed out.

    are you kinda saying that when you gain "what would be another spec point" they go bye bye, vanish with no reward {( as in waste of time playing the player with maxed spec )}

    is it worth "not" slotting in the last 3 i have and keep racking them up for the next if ever spec tree as not to waste my time filling my XP bar if you get me ?!?!? bear-8.gif

    Obviously im not asking for you to tell me what to do lol just curious of advice if any you can give

    I have all the spec trees maxed. Basically, when you gain a "level" and would normally get a spec point, you get nothing instead.
  • jam3s1701jam3s1701 Member Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    sov42 wrote: »
    jam3s1701 wrote: »
    I just tested this. You actually get to keep the Spec Points, even though they technically exceed your max. So no need to keep them cluttering up your inventory - go ahead and open the package.

    Not adding this to the FAQ, since it's specific to the Spec Point Promo, and not the Skills Invalid bug.

    @borticuscryptic So what happens when you earn more spec points then?!? as when this issue is sorted {( the not able to spend the spec points from today's give away )} i will be maxed out.

    are you kinda saying that when you gain "what would be another spec point" they go bye bye, vanish with no reward {( as in waste of time playing the player with maxed spec )}

    is it worth "not" slotting in the last 3 i have and keep racking them up for the next if ever spec tree as not to waste my time filling my XP bar if you get me ?!?!? bear-8.gif

    Obviously im not asking for you to tell me what to do lol just curious of advice if any you can give

    I have all the spec trees maxed. Basically, when you gain a "level" and would normally get a spec point, you get nothing instead.

    hmm looks like I won't be playing my main again then until they release a new spec tree.

    guess that's one way of either getting me to spend less! :neutral: time in game or maybe finally getting back to playing my alts even though they are lacking so badly now I might not even bother with them.

    boo booooo sad face. . .
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  • pwlaughingtrendypwlaughingtrendy Member Posts: 2,966 Arc User
    We have a fix that will be applied tomorrow. I'll be getting up messaging shortly.
  • xginocidexxginocidex Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited August 2015
    Add the dilithium mines to your list. Fleet and normal just say disabled.

    arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1200582/odd-bug-at-fleet-mine
    Dracul - Level 60 romulan tactical officer - Krenim Imperium Warship [T6]
  • diggingcrumpetdiggingcrumpet Member Posts: 88 Bug Hunter
    Thank you for keeping us up to date, I haven't seen my questions asked yet and if it has please excuse me. I am missing 90% of my traits this morning, should I reload them or wait until the patch? Thanks team :smiley:
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2015
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    xginocidex wrote: »
    Add the dilithium mines to your list. Fleet and normal just say disabled.

    arcgames.com/en/forums#/discussion/1200582/odd-bug-at-fleet-mine

    Borticus posted in that thread that the problem was tracked down and a fix is coming soon.
  • xginocidexxginocidex Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    Yep saw that post after my post here. Just calling more attention to it before it gets buried in the support forum.
    Dracul - Level 60 romulan tactical officer - Krenim Imperium Warship [T6]
  • diggingcrumpetdiggingcrumpet Member Posts: 88 Bug Hunter
    Thank you for keeping us up to date, I haven't seen my questions asked yet and if it has please excuse me. I am missing 90% of my traits this morning, should I reload them or wait until the patch? Thanks team :smiley:

    Can we have maintenance today?
  • pwlaughingtrendypwlaughingtrendy Member Posts: 2,966 Arc User
    Thank you for keeping us up to date, I haven't seen my questions asked yet and if it has please excuse me. I am missing 90% of my traits this morning, should I reload them or wait until the patch? Thanks team :smiley:

    Can we have maintenance today?
    Maintenance is tomorrows.

  • subzer0d1videsubzer0d1vide Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    Good to know you're on it. I was just about to post to see if it was happening to anyone else. Thanks!
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  • johnnyriggzjohnnyriggz Member Posts: 3 Arc User
    My character does not have Rending Shots available and is not a Delta character, but is bugged with Invalid Skill -> respec.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2015
    slawek0000 wrote: »
    I bought on the exchange Attack Pattern Delta Prime starship trait for 70 000 000 ec and after I opened the box, the trait is not shown in the list of starship traits! :#:s


    I had a similar issue. I hit level 5 mastery on my Vet ship today on one of my characters and the ship trait never showed up in my list of available traits. Tried changing maps, logging out and in again, no luck. Hoping it'll show up tomorrow after the patch.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    The bug is not related to the spec points giveaway. Current speculation appears to be related to reputations. Redeeming your promotional spec points is fine and not related to the bug itself.

    I'm not denying what you're saying, but I will point out that, on the second character I opened the Spec Points box on, my Skills were fine until I actually opened the box for the Spec Points. Maybe this will help to find the cause.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    edited August 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    The bug is not related to the spec points giveaway. Current speculation appears to be related to reputations. Redeeming your promotional spec points is fine and not related to the bug itself.

    I'm not denying what you're saying, but I will point out that, on the second character I opened the Spec Points box on, my Skills were fine until I actually opened the box for the Spec Points. Maybe this will help to find the cause.


    I claimed the free points on all 18 of my characters. The only characters I had 'invalid skills' on all had completed Delta Rep. The ones who hadn't had no problem making use of the Spec Points so I'm pretty hopeful that they are correct about it being linked to the tier 4 Delta Rep.


    Edit: I'm not sure what triggers the skill validator, but it may be that it only triggers when something which alters skills happens. So for instance, gaining a skill point, spec point, or a new trait etc.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    so does this mean im forced to respec mt skills? if so that stinks
  • monkeybone13monkeybone13 Member Posts: 4,640 Arc User
    Thank you for keeping us up to date, I haven't seen my questions asked yet and if it has please excuse me. I am missing 90% of my traits this morning, should I reload them or wait until the patch? Thanks team :smiley:

    Can we have maintenance today?
    Maintenance is tomorrows.

    Because......reasons.

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  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    so does this mean im forced to respec mt skills? if so that stinks


    Nope. Bort already confirmed earlier in the thread that after the patch they should just be "valid" instead of "invalid".
    Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
    True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    so does this mean im forced to respec mt skills? if so that stinks


    Nope. Bort already confirmed earlier in the thread that after the patch they should just be "valid" instead of "invalid".

    Ok thanks i was a little upset at the prospect of having to respec my skills.
  • khamseenairkhamseenair Member Posts: 2,640 Bug Hunter
    so does this mean im forced to respec mt skills? if so that stinks


    Nope. Bort already confirmed earlier in the thread that after the patch they should just be "valid" instead of "invalid".

    Ok thanks i was a little upset at the prospect of having to respec my skills.


    Yeah I had that panic too when I saw how many of my toons were affected. :)
    Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
    True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    Thanks for jumping on this and getting it fixed so quickly.

    :)


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