Iconian War gives devs opportunity for adding more "classic" ships

pweistheworst

Given how many starships we've lost during the Iconian War and how many planets (with resources) have been devastated or destroyed, I think it's reasonable to assume that Starfleet might pull some old starships out of orbiting junk yards and refit those old ships to "fill in" until our shipyards and supply lines can be restored.

This give the devs an opportunity to bring more canon ships into the game.

Although we have most of the ships we've seen in TNG, DS9 and VOY, there are several that we haven't seen in the game ... or haven't seen as T6 ships.

New Orleans (Kyushu) class
Yeager class
Norway class
T6 Centaur class (If we can't get a T6 Miranda)
Curry/Shelley class

There are probably more but those are just the most notable ships that I can think of in terms of ships from TNG/DS9/VOY (and TNG movies) that we're missing.

welcome2earf

I agree. They can even be lower-tier ships for now (though those don't make as much money...)

lianthelia

welcome2earf wrote: »

I agree. They can even be lower-tier ships for now (though those don't make as much money...)

Honestly...in this day and age if they're making a ship it's going to be T6 so they can get the most money out of it...but if I recall correctly the devs have said they want to move on with their own designs for T6.

dave18193

Love this idea, especially for the Norway and New Orleans.

yakodym

With the admirality mechanic possibly comming into play soon ("doffing" with inactive ships), it is possible that low-tier ships will still be necessary to fulfill some specific assignments. Who knows, maybe cryptic will be selling them in similar ways as doff packs, so that even though you will not buy them to fly them, you'll get them because they will have some interesting combinations of traits... Then again, maybe it will just turn into "Have as much T6 ships as possible, not just the one you fly"...

narthais

If the Yeager class never gets into the game I won't shed a tear, that ship is one of the most hidious kitbashes I've ever seen.

artan42

Yeager please, and the Norway.​​

angrytarg

Yaeger-type would be an odd choice as the ship was literally a scrambled hull equipped with shuttlecraft weapons. In game it would probably be a T6 pilot escort and all, but that is one of those models hard to justify being in-game.

The other ships I'd be fine with, canon is always preferrable to Cryptic designs. But most of them could be skin options for already existing ships, I have difficulties making new T6 endgame ships out of them that haven't been done already.​​

lianthelia

angrytarg wrote: »

Yaeger-type would be an odd choice as the ship was literally a scrambled hull equipped with shuttlecraft weapons. In game it would probably be a T6 pilot escort and all, but that is one of those models hard to justify being in-game.

The other ships I'd be fine with, canon is always preferrable to Cryptic designs. But most of them could be skin options for already existing ships, I have difficulties making new T6 endgame ships out of them that haven't been done already.​​

Yeah...I know I'm kinda biased agreeing since I didn't really like the Yaeger...we only saw what...one ship of it's class?

It just didn't feel very Fed except for the Intrepid saucer...the rear and the wings made it feel more like a Maquis salvaged Intrepid rather than a Fed ship.

pweistheworst

For me, the bottom line is that most people play this game because it's STAR TREK Online ... meaning people expect to see the stuff they loved from the various Star Trek TV series and films.

The artists hired by Cryptic have given us some awesome new ships, but at the end of the day I still want the original STAR TREK ships more than whatever random sci-fi spacecraft that someone creates and tosses into this game.

artan42

lianthelia wrote: »

angrytarg wrote: »

Yaeger-type would be an odd choice as the ship was literally a scrambled hull equipped with shuttlecraft weapons. In game it would probably be a T6 pilot escort and all, but that is one of those models hard to justify being in-game.

The other ships I'd be fine with, canon is always preferrable to Cryptic designs. But most of them could be skin options for already existing ships, I have difficulties making new T6 endgame ships out of them that haven't been done already.

Yeah...I know I'm kinda biased agreeing since I didn't really like the Yaeger...we only saw what...one ship of it's class?

It just didn't feel very Fed except for the Intrepid saucer...the rear and the wings made it feel more like a Maquis salvaged Intrepid rather than a Fed ship.

We see at least 3 onscreen.​​

angrytarg

artan42 wrote: »

We see at least 3 onscreen.

Supposedly, it's the same ship: http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Yeager_type

I would speculate that as soon as it wasn't needed anymore, the Yaeger was disassembled and turned into a regular Intrepid. The rear was IRL part of the Marquis raider. We know the ship, on which the Peregrine/Attack fighter was based upon, was a civilian courier, to the parts the Yaeger has are probably not even Starfleet parts.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be in the game, canon and all and STO loves to include everything, even if it only had a few seconds of screentime. But logically (as far as logic applies to Cryptic's way of introducing playable ship classes into the game) the Yaeger could only be a bonus skin for the Intrepid. As with others, I fail to see a justified, independent ship class for it. The New Orleans, likewise, is a frigate (on-screen classification) - a medium sized ship performing primarily escort missions - that's basically the Avenger/Arbiter. It's a skin option at best.​​

artan42

Well IRL it's made up of Intrepid and (J'Day/Condor ) whatever parts, but as it only exists as a blurry indistinct shape these no reason why it could have an entirely different style of wing thing on the back of the saucer.​​

farmallm

I would go for the New Orleans class.

jasecurtis

Niagara class for me. I'd love some more three nacelled ships.

angrytarg

reyan01 wrote: »

Unless they introduced T6 Frigates....

That would be a mess

They should come clean with the player ship and NPC ship designation discrepancy first. In canon "frigate" is teh designation of a function rather than a weightclass. The New Orleans class is the only canonical frigate identified and MA gives a definition like 'a medium sized starship primarily escorting other vessels' (I'm too lazy to check the wording right now). Aside from the designation the Avenger BC fits can fit that definition. I don't know what a T6 frigate or light cruiser could have setting itself apart. A Yaeger really can only be a Intrepid vanity skin, because canonical (with TM backing) the Yaeger-type, despite having jet wings, can never be justified to be a tac heavy ship - it had shuttle weapons for crying out loud (type 8 phasers) The Niagara would be an interesting take. For the three-nacelle-shape it could be an alternate DSSV, maybe.​​

nikephorus

farmallm wrote: »

I would go for the New Orleans class.

Same here. I've been waiting for the New Oreleans Class Frigate. I dunno if it will ever be added, but if it did it might convince me to open my wallet up. Which is something I don't do very often for this game anymore.

potasssium

farmallm wrote: »

I would go for the New Orleans class.

In a heartbeat. Preferably as a Destroyer, which in my opinion is what the Akira should be as well.

angrytarg

potasssium wrote: »

In a heartbeat. Preferably as a Destroyer, which in my opinion is what the Akira should be as well.

Actually the canon Akira is something akin to a rather heavy cruiser.​​

potasssium

angrytarg wrote: »

potasssium wrote: »

In a heartbeat. Preferably as a Destroyer, which in my opinion is what the Akira should be as well.

Actually the canon Akira is something akin to a rather heavy cruiser.​​

I always think Heavy in terms of mass, but yeah I could totally live with it as a heavily armed Cruiser.

But it and the New Orleans should be in the small but more Tactical Cruiser. Wouldn't mind a T6 Cheyenne either, in that same size class.

angrytarg

potasssium wrote: »

I always think Heavy in terms of mass, but yeah I could totally live with it as a heavily armed Cruiser.

But it and the New Orleans should be in the small but more Tactical Cruiser. Wouldn't mind a T6 Cheyenne either, in that same size class.

The Akira has quite some mass behind it. It is roughly the same dimensions as a Vor'Cha battle cruiser. The Cheyenne is a good 100m shorter and a bit smaller overall. The New Orleans is supposed to use the same parts as the Cheyenne so it would be smaller than the Akira. STO labels the Cheyenne and the Excelsior both as "heavy cruisers" when from STOs perspective this doesn't make sense form a "weightclass" point of view. Canonically, a Ambassador class is a heavy cruiser in TNGs timeframe. The DS9TM has derived from this information that the Akira and the Vor'Cha are heavy cruisers. The New Orleans is a frigate (canonically) and in terms of weightclass a intermediate cruiser, somewhere between the Miranda/Saber/Norway light cruisers and the heavier ships.

Cryptic would need to take a stance and clean up the confusion in ship classes. We'd need clear categories of weightclass AND function to solve this mess ​​