As for the Vesta - whilst you are right, using the Aux cannons strongly encourages a cannon/turret build, which means sacrificing Sub-System targeting. And to be honest I would argue that, whilst it is still one of the better sci-ship choices in the game, it's not quite the best anymore.
Huh. ..I clearly haven't played sci enough because I totally missed that. Sub system targeting doesn't work with cannons?
As for the Vesta - whilst you are right, using the Aux cannons strongly encourages a cannon/turret build, which means sacrificing Sub-System targeting. And to be honest I would argue that, whilst it is still one of the better sci-ship choices in the game, it's not quite the best anymore.
Huh. ..I clearly haven't played sci enough because I totally missed that. Sub system targeting doesn't work with cannons?
Huh. So its either the Vestas aux cannons or the sub system targeting. That's a huge design flaw. They should have given it aux beams then. Devs take note for the T6 Vesta.
Huh. So its either the Vestas aux cannons or the sub system targeting. That's a huge design flaw. They should have given it aux beams then. Devs take note for the T6 Vesta.
For what it's worth Sub System Targeting (SST) has questionable value in PVE due to the high system repair of NPC mobs.
In PVP it can be a royal pain, but in PVE...
But if you want to make use of Aux cannons and SST then use an omni beam or that experimental proton weapon from dyson rep.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I still think they should turn the Dauntless into an all-faction ship. It was originally a fake Starfleet ship, after all.
Give the Romulans a Dauntless with Romulan Materials, and the KDF one with Klingon materials. No cloaking device probably, and the Romulans might have to deal with needing a Warp Core all of a sudden unless they tweak that, but the Romulans have that problem already anyway whenever it comes to lockbox/promo/lobi/event ships.
No thanks...can keep it...it's a lousy looking ship with a lousy build that is pretending to be a tac ship only with less weapons thus less dps...(thank you bortasqu effect)
It's a Science Vessel, not a tac ship. And a mix of BFAW and Attack Pattern Beta II for example would be a nice damage buff for, say, a gravity well build. (BFAW would be there to deliver the attack pattern negative resistance stacks. Torpedo Spread would also work, of course, and if you don't believe in APB, is also a potent option that works well with many exotic particle damage builds)
Drop a grav well, then chuck a Tricobalt spread into the grav well.
Huh. So its either the Vestas aux cannons or the sub system targeting. That's a huge design flaw. They should have given it aux beams then. Devs take note for the T6 Vesta.
The Vesta is drawn from a series of Star Trek novels. It's mentioned in the novels that the ship uses experimental "Mark XII phaser cannons".
Huh. So its either the Vestas aux cannons or the sub system targeting. That's a huge design flaw. They should have given it aux beams then. Devs take note for the T6 Vesta.
The Vesta is drawn from a series of Star Trek novels. It's mentioned in the novels that the ship uses experimental "Mark XII phaser cannons".
Yeah - keep Aux beams for a T6 Nova class
That would be an instant sale, even more so if they could be used on other ships.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
The concept of aux weapons is a dubious one to me as it cripples your science ship's inherent way to deal damage. So instead of dealing lots of weapon damage OR exotic damage you essentially deal a half-arsed amount of both
But mentioning it, I really would love to see science "revitalized" so partgens isn't the only viable thing in the bigger picture.
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T6 Aventine now pls . And keep the old design ,the best in game . Vesta should be the most advanced ship in game , all starfleet experimental systems ware implemented and tested with U.S.S. Aventine ... acording to the novel ... so why the old Excelsior and Galaxy is T6 and Vesta isn't ...
Please make the Nebula class a Deep Space Multipurpose Science/Cruiser. Heck there were several different subtypes of Nebula Class in service, This ship could easily be made a 3 pack by itself.
Phoenix version from the TNG episode the Wounded
Version with the 2 mini warp nacelles instead of sensor pod seen as derelict ship in graveyard scene of BOBW
Most common version see from Redemption onwards with the triangular mission pod.
Or just a single ship with this setup would be cool. The Nebula was a smaller counterpart to the Galaxy with roughly the same internal volume. Makes sense to give this ship a bit more punch than a standard science ship.
4 fore weapons 3 aft
Lt uni
Lt tact
Ltc eng
Lt sci/Intel
Cmd Science
Please make the Nebula class a Deep Space Multipurpose Science/Cruiser. Heck there were several different subtypes of Nebula Class in service, This ship could easily be made a 3 pack by itself.
Phoenix version from the TNG episode the Wounded
Version with the 2 mini warp nacelles instead of sensor pod seen as derelict ship in graveyard scene of BOBW
Most common version see from Redemption onwards with the triangular mission pod.
Or just a single ship with this setup would be cool. The Nebula was a smaller counterpart to the Galaxy with roughly the same internal volume. Makes sense to give this ship a bit more punch than a standard science ship.
4 fore weapons 3 aft
Lt uni
Lt tact
Ltc eng
Lt sci/Intel
Cmd Science
3 Eng Consoles
5 Science
3 Tactical
My T5u Nebula has a good amount of punch, great Hull & Shield strength. I'm just about to break past 20k DPS, without any gear upgraded to Epic level yet. Perfectly acceptabbutfor PvE.
That said I am eagerly waiting for a T6 version, but not as a 3pk.
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T6 Aventine now pls . And keep the old design ,the best in game . Vesta should be the most advanced ship in game , all starfleet experimental systems ware implemented and tested with U.S.S. Aventine ... acording to the novel ... so why the old Excelsior and Galaxy is T6 and Vesta isn't ...
Novels are not canon. And there may, or may not, be ownership right issues surrounding further use of the Vesta design.
WHO said canon , was i talking about canon ships? Who care about canon ? And canonic story i what I consider to be canon ... and i consider the novels CANON , cause literature is CANON because all sci fi ideeas are gotten from novels because in literature are born ideeas ... philosophy ... any bell ringing ?
The concept of aux weapons is a dubious one to me as it cripples your science ship's inherent way to deal damage. So instead of dealing lots of weapon damage OR exotic damage you essentially deal a half-arsed amount of both
But mentioning it, I really would love to see science "revitalized" so partgens isn't the only viable thing in the bigger picture.
What?? it is the opposite dude.. the auxiliary cannons are amazing precisely for that. Yeah you lose damage power on your turrets, but you have more than enough with your auxiliary cannons. Besides you can use the nukara auxiliary to weapons trait and you can compensate that a lot . I myself enjoy my vesta soooo much xD. It is a monster. Poping up maxed gravity wells and gravity torpedoes and using scatter volley its a blast. Better than torp spread xD.
I still think they should turn the Dauntless into an all-faction ship. It was originally a fake Starfleet ship, after all.
Give the Romulans a Dauntless with Romulan Materials, and the KDF one with Klingon materials. No cloaking device probably, and the Romulans might have to deal with needing a Warp Core all of a sudden unless they tweak that, but the Romulans have that problem already anyway whenever it comes to lockbox/promo/lobi/event ships.
They can keep the lawn dart. I would rather have a Gorn or Ferasan design science ship, thanks.
Destiny is soft canon at best, and so utterly wretched I'm very glad STO doesn't follow it, with it's mary sue race and a Borg origin story so lame and fan ficcy it makes ST Legacy's origin story high art in comparison.
Destiny is soft canon at best, and so utterly wretched I'm very glad STO doesn't follow it, with it's mary sue race and a Borg origin story so lame and fan ficcy it makes ST Legacy's origin story high art in comparison.
I don't know - mixed feelings with regard to the Destiny series. Overall, I don't care about the Borg and feel that they became a boring cliche a LONG time ago. I did, however, like their orgin story myself - and it did, sort of, explain why the Borg have something of a fascination with Humanity/Earth. But I didn't like the resolution that the books offerred very much.
Anyway - back to sci ships... I'll continue to hope and pray for a T6 Nova, in any flavour.
Perfect companion ship for my T6 Intrepid
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I was just thinking about the fact that, ever since the glamour of the Intel specialization faded to Command, we haven't seen a new science vessel. Command was dominated by Cruisers (as we'll be sure that Pilot will continue to be just for escorts).
I drew up a little something that completely goes against that grain and would drive the developers mad with attempts to nerf the pants off it if anyone on the design team ever brought it to the table. So, without further ado...
FORMAT: Science Vessel
TYPE: Science/Engineering
SPECIALTY: Pilot
MODEL: Rescue Ship
CLASS NOMENCLATURE: Carpathia
CONTRACT: 100650 (experimental)
VESSEL NOMENCLATURE: Carpathia
*Adds an effect to Polarize Hull or Pilot Team - RADIATING RETAINMENT BEAMS all allies that come within 5 km will be immune to movement impairing effects for duration. Effect wears off if they leave the radius.
**beams off injured crew from any allied vessel within 5km, replacing them with your crew. All affected allies have immediate restoration of any disabled system, +10 power to all systems for 8 seconds, and immunity to disable for 30 seconds. Your crew recovery rate increases by 200% for 10 seconds.
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Huh. ..I clearly haven't played sci enough because I totally missed that. Sub system targeting doesn't work with cannons?
Nope. Beams only.
For what it's worth Sub System Targeting (SST) has questionable value in PVE due to the high system repair of NPC mobs.
In PVP it can be a royal pain, but in PVE...
But if you want to make use of Aux cannons and SST then use an omni beam or that experimental proton weapon from dyson rep.
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The Vesta is drawn from a series of Star Trek novels. It's mentioned in the novels that the ship uses experimental "Mark XII phaser cannons".
That would be an instant sale, even more so if they could be used on other ships.
But mentioning it, I really would love to see science "revitalized" so partgens isn't the only viable thing in the bigger picture.
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Phoenix version from the TNG episode the Wounded
Version with the 2 mini warp nacelles instead of sensor pod seen as derelict ship in graveyard scene of BOBW
Most common version see from Redemption onwards with the triangular mission pod.
Or just a single ship with this setup would be cool. The Nebula was a smaller counterpart to the Galaxy with roughly the same internal volume. Makes sense to give this ship a bit more punch than a standard science ship.
4 fore weapons 3 aft
Lt uni
Lt tact
Ltc eng
Lt sci/Intel
Cmd Science
3 Eng Consoles
5 Science
3 Tactical
My T5u Nebula has a good amount of punch, great Hull & Shield strength. I'm just about to break past 20k DPS, without any gear upgraded to Epic level yet. Perfectly acceptabbutfor PvE.
That said I am eagerly waiting for a T6 version, but not as a 3pk.
WHO said canon , was i talking about canon ships? Who care about canon ? And canonic story i what I consider to be canon ... and i consider the novels CANON , cause literature is CANON because all sci fi ideeas are gotten from novels because in literature are born ideeas ... philosophy ... any bell ringing ?
What?? it is the opposite dude.. the auxiliary cannons are amazing precisely for that. Yeah you lose damage power on your turrets, but you have more than enough with your auxiliary cannons. Besides you can use the nukara auxiliary to weapons trait and you can compensate that a lot
They can keep the lawn dart. I would rather have a Gorn or Ferasan design science ship, thanks.
Perfect companion ship for my T6 Intrepid
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
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I drew up a little something that completely goes against that grain and would drive the developers mad with attempts to nerf the pants off it if anyone on the design team ever brought it to the table. So, without further ado...
FORMAT: Science Vessel
TYPE: Science/Engineering
SPECIALTY: Pilot
MODEL: Rescue Ship
CLASS NOMENCLATURE: Carpathia
CONTRACT: 100650 (experimental)
VESSEL NOMENCLATURE: Carpathia
Hull Strength: 26,500 at Lv50, 31,600 at Lv60
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Impulse Modifier: 0.2
Base Turn Rate: 15 Degrees/sec
Crew: 120
Weapons: 4 Fore, 2 Aft
Device Slots: 3
Bridge Stations: Commander [Science/Pilot], Lt Commander [Engineering], Lt Commander [Science], Lieutenant [Tactical/Pilot], Ensign [Universal]
Consoles: 5 Science, 3 Engineering, 2 Tactical
+15 to Auxiliary
Pilot Thrusters
Starship Ability Package (Science Vessel)
Starship Trait - Radiating Retainment Beams*
Console - Universal - Rescue Transporters**
*Adds an effect to Polarize Hull or Pilot Team - RADIATING RETAINMENT BEAMS all allies that come within 5 km will be immune to movement impairing effects for duration. Effect wears off if they leave the radius.
**beams off injured crew from any allied vessel within 5km, replacing them with your crew. All affected allies have immediate restoration of any disabled system, +10 power to all systems for 8 seconds, and immunity to disable for 30 seconds. Your crew recovery rate increases by 200% for 10 seconds.