Request for increased cap limit on ships

suzanna3

As many of you know
I host the Singularity Show on Trekradio.net and hold in game STO parties/events with prizes for trivia. As there are certain troll players who attack and try to disrupt these parties/events we often move the party to a ship where players are invited. [star bases are not a viable option as different factions can not be invited]
The cap limit on the amount of players that can be invited is low, approx 20 so a bigger limit would go someway to solving the problem, even though its a shame that it rather negates all the devs effort and work in creating attractive areas for players to enjoy.
Obviously it is preferable to hold these events in public areas but as the current rules on the STO site namely f no harrassment/stalking or causing discomfort to players is allowed, are NOT enforced, despite numerous reports being sent in. being able to invite all that wish to attend, to a place where everyone can have fun without harassment etc., would be a good idea.
Here is a link to a video of part of last night’s event before it was moved to a ship, made by a regular party goer, disgusted by the trolling that was going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VxWAOsUlXU&feature=youtu.be

allyoftheforce

Would like to see a cap increase for ship interiors so more people can enjoy the party without the "problems".

lokienthor

I am all for that as well..It seems to be happening a lot now..and nothing is being done towards the people being reported..seems like a one sided battle and it is not fair in my honest opinion.

farmallm

What about your Fleet's Starbase? How many people can be there? I agree there should be a better way to handle with these problems.

imasterstar

Honestly if increasing the player cap limit on ships is viable for the Devs to do, it is a very good idea. Although in a more ideal situation, players shouldn't have to rely on private bridge maps to avoid harrassment/bullying/trolling.

And before the misconceptions start... let me clear some of them:
Suzanna chooses to hold her parties in public instances NOT because they are "private" parties (despite what some trolls may claim) - in fact they are public parties open for anyone PROVIDED attendees follow the unspoken but very obvious condition to act civilly and respectfully around others. The OP clearly has run into multiple cases where certain trolls in question continuously attempted to disrupt the OP's party and kept on encroaching on her personal space (basically right in her face) - WITHOUT her consent.

farmallm

True it in public areas you run the risk of people "crashing the party". But its a real issue if the same ones constantly shows up. And specially get into your personal space. You shouldn't have to deal with this. Cause at times you want to party at different places. And we only get 2 seasonal events to do it in special places.

Once I crashed the party by accident on DS9 with my Romulan. I then politely left. But I didn't get into their personal space. I was still learning RPing on STO at that time.

iconians

I think increasing the player cap on player ships is a good idea. I also would like to see starbases opened up to be cross-faction, since I think that is one major reason public social gatherings happen where anyone can go.

Player ships are cross-faction, but may not be able to accomodate everybody.

Starbases might be able to accomodate more (I've not checked), but they are not cross-faction.

Public areas can accomodate most everyone, and the most popular ones are cross-faction, but then you don't get the moderation abilities you would have on a starship or fleet starbase.

farmallm

I never had many over on my ship. So at least I know the cap is at 20. Never been to a Fleet starbase during a event. So I'm not sure what their cap is. Most of their events is when I'm not on. Still going there all the time for parties and events gets old.

seaofsorrows

farmallm wrote: »

What about your Fleet's Starbase? How many people can be there? I agree there should be a better way to handle with these problems.

I was thinking this as well.. can't you invite them to your Starbase?

It's a shame you have to do things like this because Cryptic refuses to ban griefers and trolls.

protogoth

I support increasing the cap on how many players can be invited to ship interiors.

(Although I hoped this was about increasing the cap on how many ships we can have, which I also support.)

baddmoonrizin

protogoth wrote: »

I support increasing the cap on how many players can be invited to ship interiors.

(Although I hoped this was about increasing the cap on how many ships we can have, which I also support.)

I thought this, too. I'd definitely like to see the number of ships we have increased.

I also support the OP's suggestion of increasing our ship's population increased. Starbases were mentioned in the OP, but as stated aren't cross-faction. Ship instances would allow for cross-faction meetings in a private setting for various functions.

I'd also like to suggest that ship and starbase holodecks be allowed to "simulate" various in-game environments, basically allowing players to create private maps of various locations, but maybe without all of the functions (mail, exchange, etc.) hooked up.

dragnridr

A better solution is for Cryptic to get off their butts and do something serious to these "players" that harass others. Public and private space is the same on the internet and in games as it is in real life. If the Cryptic devs were harassed by players in the game, they would throw down a ban hammer immediately, but when other players are involved, they refuse to do anything.

It's sad to see how bad Star Trek Online is getting. First it was Starfleet Dental fleet trolling and causing problems, now it's individual players. Makes me wonder if the devs really care about the game or if they are just doing it for the paycheck now.

This type of behavior should never be allowed, nor should it go unpunished. DJ Suzanna, If ever you need a place to have a party, my ships are always available.

alcyoneserene

Failure to:

• Actively enforce stated T&C.
• Provide a means to self-moderate: example, cross-faction private (invitation only) instances of any public map with high player capacity.

3.
Law.

Also called accessory before the fact. a person who, though not present during the commission of a felony, is guilty of having aided and abetted another, who committed the felony.

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gazurtoid

If you want to control who attends and their behavior, it is no longer a public party, but a private one. They have as much right to be there as you do.

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captaintroika

Reality check OP: you're freaking out about someone just standing there doing nothing.

velqua

The cap limit needs to be changed. It's no fun when individuals stalk you, even if it is pixels surrounding your avatar. Plus, it gives Armadas a chance to meet together in a single location for Armada events.

daveyny

Only in an MMO could "nothing" be considered a subjective term.
Kinda sad that certain players have nothing better to do with their time, than play a video game doing "nothing" to other players.

pakettle

These parties are meant to be public. You are all welcome to them, that does not mean you are allowed to break the terms of service. It is quite obvious that certain individuals came with the intention of being rude and obnoxious just to disrupt the fun of the others. Should this be allowed to continue or should the parties be shut down for good ?

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baddmoonrizin

I'm just agreeing with a population increase for your starship, starbase, etc. What you choose to do with it is your business.

orion0029

While I don't condone trolling, griefing, cyberbullying, etc... Such behavior is to be expected when hosting a party in a public area, Cryptic should really allow 'Private instances' of otherwise public zones for players to host events on, much like how Fleet holding instances are private. In lieu of that, an increased player limit on starship bridges to say 35-40 should be sufficient to for players to host events/parties and invite enough people.

I'm not making any excuses for the (insert appropriate descriptor here) players who cause trouble at these kind of events, I'm simply stating that when events are hosted in public you can't control who can show up and you will enevitably get 'undesireables' showing up to ruin things.

Now, if nobody minds, since I've stated my opinions I'm going to refrain from touching this thread as I suspect that it will get a bit 'hot' soon...

Peace and long life.

rickdanko

Just make it a private party. Problem solved.

f9thretxc

Ya know, I was thinking about this, and maybe they can just use an asset already in game, like the Captains table. The person wants to set up a party, and rents it for such and such date and time, pays some EC, and they control the invite list. It would also allow peeps who have never been there to see it for the first time.

As it is, It seems peeps rarely go there as it is. Of course that could just be timing my part also. Heck, this could also help be the EC sink peeps where talking about in another thread.

Mind you , I'm not the party type at all, so take any suggestions I have with a grain of salt, please. ​​

dragnridr

shazia9191 wrote: »

I dunno...looked like a fun party. Lots of dancing and celebrating shared friendships and experiences. Of course, I'm not going to watch an hour of that (and why should anyone?), but for the first 2-3 minutes, I see a lot of happy people enjoying a mediocre radio show. Good work, all!

Sorry...do people actually believe a felony was committed in that video? Maybe you should contact your local authorities and show them the YouTube link lol.

Do people think the terms of service were broken, YES.
Do people think a felony was committed? Yes, it is classified as a felony. Assault, Stalking, harassment. That was just to name a few. Susanna specifically ask for the troll to leave her alone and give her space. If the situation was in real life, he would have been arrested. And from what I have found out, that laws in real life also apply to MMOs and the internet. So YES, laws were broken and he has been reported to the authorities. So if Cryptic/PWE doesn't do something, then the police department will.

dragnridr

orion0029 wrote: »

While I don't condone trolling, griefing, cyberbullying, etc... Such behavior is to be expected when hosting a party in a public area, Cryptic should really allow 'Private instances' of otherwise public zones for players to host events on, much like how Fleet holding instances are private. In lieu of that, an increased player limit on starship bridges to say 35-40 should be sufficient to for players to host events/parties and invite enough people.

I'm not making any excuses for the (insert appropriate descriptor here) players who cause trouble at these kind of events, I'm simply stating that when events are hosted in public you can't control who can show up and you will enevitably get 'undesireables' showing up to ruin things.

Now, if nobody minds, since I've stated my opinions I'm going to refrain from touching this thread as I suspect that it will get a bit 'hot' soon...

Peace and long life.

So, just because you don't condone the behavior, does that make it right to watch it happen and do nothing? Doing nothing is just the same as being an accessory.
If you truly don't condone that behavior, you would not stand idly by and let it happen, you would do something to stop it. If you were treated the same way, would you not want someone to step in and make things right? I know I would.

dragnridr

shazia9191 wrote: »

pakettle wrote: »

These parties are meant to be public. You are all welcome to them, that does not mean you are allowed to break the terms of service. It is quite obvious that certain individuals came with the intention of being rude and obnoxious just to disrupt the fun of the others. Should this be allowed to continue or should the parties be shut down for good ?

Can we see the chat logs? Was anyone insulting or using derogatory language? Were there threats of concerns about personal safety? If the individuals were spouting abuse then I would perhaps change my opinion, but I don't think any of that happened.

I'm glad we're starting a new thread about this, though, because the last one turned out so well. There's something to be said for doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to change.

So standing in someone's personal space/ in their face constantly when the person asked the accused to leave her alone not harassment/stalking?
When is harassment/stalking other players NOT A BREACH OF ToS? When is it not against the LAW?
Spouting abuse and threatening is not the only way to harass and stalk other people.
You need to check you laws again.

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dragnridr

shazia9191 wrote: »

dragnridr wrote: »

shazia9191 wrote: »

pakettle wrote: »

These parties are meant to be public. You are all welcome to them, that does not mean you are allowed to break the terms of service. It is quite obvious that certain individuals came with the intention of being rude and obnoxious just to disrupt the fun of the others. Should this be allowed to continue or should the parties be shut down for good ?

Can we see the chat logs? Was anyone insulting or using derogatory language? Were there threats of concerns about personal safety? If the individuals were spouting abuse then I would perhaps change my opinion, but I don't think any of that happened.

I'm glad we're starting a new thread about this, though, because the last one turned out so well. There's something to be said for doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to change.

So standing in someone's personal space/ in their face constantly when the person asked the accused to leave her alone not harassment/stalking?
When is harassment/stalking other players NOT A BREACH OF ToS? When is it not against the LAW?
Spouting abuse and threatening is not the only way to harass and stalk other people.
You need to check you laws again.

You are confusing a game and real life again. No felony was committed, as stalking implies real-life following, posting of personal info...you know, things that cause real threats to real people. Spouting hyperbolic hysteria is why these threads never go anywhere. There's a reason why they close and get swept away.

Again, that is something you are missing. Real life laws APPLY TO MMOs AS WELL as the ENTIRE internet. Stalking Suzanna as that troll did was an example of harassment and stalking. She specifically told him to leave her alone and he ignored her MULTIPLE TIMES. That is the same damn thing as harassment in real life. He constantly followed her around and literately stayed in her face throughout most of the video. That is defined as stalking.
Terms of service for Star Trek Online forbid HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND TO ALL PLAYERS.
If the same thing was happening to you, would you like it? Go online and constantly be followed and have someone constantly in your face and come back and tell me it's fun.
Enjoy the time that player has left in game. The authorities and devs have been notified of ToS breach and laws being broken.

abystander0

With armadas on the scene now, I agree that stabase population caps should be greatly increased. I also agree that ship population caps should be increased. I think it should scale with the size of the ship. Escorts having the smallest cap, and carriers having the largest. Cryptic could even sell larger population caps in the Cstore.

If you are going of hold any sort of event in a public space, recognize that anyone can join or even just cross through your event. If you want to control access then take it to a ship interior if it needs to be cross faction.

Looking at the video though, I am offended that Nabriki and that...whatever the hell it was were not dancing to the party amp. Shameful display. Time for the irons.

I didn't watch the whole thing...an hour play time?!?