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Tier 6 Flagships, would you pay MORE money for them?
shadowmane20001
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With the T6 ships it is only a matter of time before they come out with a redesign of the Flagships. The Odyssey, Scimitar, and Bortas. Having bought all three. And Upgraded all 9 ships to T-5U. I have spent well over 190 dollars. So the Question I ask is if they do come out with FULL Tier 6 ship versions. with three existing variations for each one. It would be a 9 ship Mega bundle easy. 120 easy if they put it into the C-store. Frankly I don't want to do that and won't.
What I would like to see is a FULL Fleet Version of the Flagships. A T6 fleet version. With a level 5 star ship mastery power.
That way I could spend only a single Fleet module to get the ship.
I would expect for example the Odyssey to have added the powers of a Command Cruiser abilities. A Hanger Slot (or the ability to launch BOTH the Chevron and Aquarius at the same time). And a Console layout of 5, 4, 4.
The Scimitar, I would like to see it get an Extra Aft weapon Slot, a secondary Hanger bay. with the possible console layout of 4,5,4.
The Bortas, I am not sure. I would like to see a higher turn rate, maybe with the addition of a Hanger Bay, and Console Layout of 4,4,5,
What do you all think? I know I won't shell out 120 for improved versions of ships I already own. I know they have to make money to keep the game running. But show us SOME love in the pocket book.
What I would like to see is a FULL Fleet Version of the Flagships. A T6 fleet version. With a level 5 star ship mastery power.
That way I could spend only a single Fleet module to get the ship.
I would expect for example the Odyssey to have added the powers of a Command Cruiser abilities. A Hanger Slot (or the ability to launch BOTH the Chevron and Aquarius at the same time). And a Console layout of 5, 4, 4.
The Scimitar, I would like to see it get an Extra Aft weapon Slot, a secondary Hanger bay. with the possible console layout of 4,5,4.
The Bortas, I am not sure. I would like to see a higher turn rate, maybe with the addition of a Hanger Bay, and Console Layout of 4,4,5,
What do you all think? I know I won't shell out 120 for improved versions of ships I already own. I know they have to make money to keep the game running. But show us SOME love in the pocket book.
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*infernal place* no.. I wont even spend a full $20 on pixel ships.. Ill happily drop $10 on em and eventually Ill have enough dilithium to buy the rest of the zen. But $30 or $50 for pixels that go poof the second someone decides 'STO is over kill the servers.' nope nope nope
One of my concerns as well. BUT Star Trek has a world wide Following. They may not have the Following of WoW yet. But they did do a demograph where the showed the number of accounts, and such and I think it was in the high hundreds of thousands. can someone drop a link to that here?
I seriously thought about making this a poll, but with the number of varations you can put on this. Such as the T6 being command, or Intel ship based. Console lay out, extra perks bells and whistles. I have like a Dozen possible polls before I said... no no poll.
So, yes, just give me T6 of everything, like a new Odyssey bundle, new T6 Temporal ships, bring em on!
And you're probably right: a poll would be too messy, what with so many choices.
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I am more willing to drop $10-15 on an iconic T6 ship or one that may be fun to fly around in. But Not $30-50. Its priced way over what people should be shelling out for cosmetic items. Since none really have the staying power that some of my fleet ships and T6 Intel ships do (from the Delta Rising Pack) and even then there are only 2 or 3 that are really useful for me (like the Scryer) and I would have just saved money buying those individually.
I did make a mistake on the Delta Rising Pack btw. I felt duped over it.
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You guys thinking there's going to be things that break a normal progression from T5->T6 are always going to be in for a disappointment. You guys that think there's going to be something like +1 weapon slot, +1 hangar bay or something crazy like that that are always going to be in for disappointment.
Once you compare the ships that have been converted from lower tiers to T6, you'll see there's no outrageous changes like that.
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Typically for T6 improvements to a lower tiered ship:
+1 BOFF skill count with Hybrid Station or two (Premium ships sometimes get Dual Spec access... Premium ships are Lobi/Lockbox/Promo ships like the Xindi Cruiser, JHSS, etc).
Tier 5 Starship Mastery Trait.
Universal Console or whatever special item.
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And that's it. The rest of the stats are fairly similar.
LOL, and Scimitar with 9 weapon slots and a 2nd hangar? You serious?
And LOL at the 'ol Cryptic "Slap a hangar on it and call it a day" development mentality!
I'm with you on that. I made the mistake years ago of buying the Bortasqu' pack. I'm not making that mistake again for a supposed T6 version. One of the worst purchases I've ever done.
It's taken me years to get this ship to handle the way I like it and I am proud of it. I actually hope they NEVER release a T6 version. At least not in the next few years. The T5u version of these ships are good enough. Besides, my starship mastery traits are already overflowing.
That and the fact that in the in-game timeline, these ships came out within their last year. I doubt they'd refit them so soon. Oh wait, they just did that with their battlecruiser line... Sigh.
Cryptic, take my money... Eventually!
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But maybe a major reason for the delay of the Tier 6 version of these ships is that it's difficult to actually make 3 variants for some of these ships. I mean, mechanics are not the problem, but the artwork. I don't think Bortasque or Odyssee were designed for variant ship models and exchangeable parts.
Maybe mechaniaclly, they are also waiting for the right specializations for them?
That said - so far, we have no precedents for Tier 5 3-packs being upgraded to Tier 6. So there is still a chance that they just do a single version of these ships. But it seems unlikely. 3/9 packs are lucrative for cryptic. The "savings" you get from the pack will convince most people to buy the full pack, where as with a single ship per faction they might only by the one they are interested in.
If it's only one ship per faction, it seems Command is the best choice for flagships.
If it's 3 ships per faction, I think it might be nice if each variant has a different specialization.
Well the idea for the one ship per factions is the best idea because each T5 has 3 variations out already. why do they need three more? with the fourth being a fleet ship. people can get it for 25 dollars (5 fleet modules) or 5 dollars (one fleet module) and it would have the command cruiser powers at the very least. This is not counting the people who spend energy credits to get the fleet module.
Still the idea I would have to spend 120 dollars for a pack of nine ships? That I already have? I will need to see some seriously high stats for these things.
The real value of a 3/9-pack to me is not "power". The real value are the customization options.
The Odyssee and Bortas currently have no alternative ship parts. I like the looks of the Bortasque well enough, but the Odyssee I'd really like to see some alternate options. If Cryptic delivers a 3 pack for these two ships, and it also comes, like all other 3 packs, with 3 new costume variations with interchangeable part, I think it might be a good deal.
Probably not as good as a deal as a Tier 6 Vesta 3-pack or a Tier 6 Dyson Destroyer 3-pack, since I only add 3 new options to a single one, instead of allowing to combine the 3 new options with the old 3 options. But at least potentially a pretty good improvement. (If the new ship parts suck, it might not matter.
Mechanical power is a meaningless benefit to buy. Cryptic can always slap some extra power bonuses on something, be it the player, so he thinks the new thing is the best, or on NPCs, so the player thinks he must buy the best to win against the tough opponents. It's probably as close as a game company come to a money printing license, as long as the players fall for it.
But customziation options? They stay.
Of course, slapping an extra console or extra hitpoints on a ship is trivially easy to do, adding alternate custom options that actually work in some manner with the existing ones is difficult. (See the new Intrepid Variant how hard it is. I think it's practically impossible to combine the new Saucer or the new Hull of the Pathfinder with any of the others without getting something odd-looking.)
In short, Cryptic could really benefit if most players are more into buying ships for powers, that's easy to pull off.
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Extra afterward weapon slots?? for god sake.. no. Why people keep trying to increase power creep?? we know cryptic will do it no matter what (increase power creep), but please stop giving em ideas..
I just want the Tactical T6 Ody, *with* Aqaurius bridge (!). But I'd probably get the T6 3-pack too.
On the other hand if they ever released a tier 6 Sovereign I would probably be all over that. I love that ship and all its variants.
They probably won't put out another bundle. More than likely, they'll do a "flagship" iconic pack, but before that happens, we have to have the destruction of the 3 flagships currently. (Otherwise, people will complain that there are improved versions of these ships out and the respective crews are flying sub par Tier 5 ships)
That single Fleet module is still 500 zen/a few million EC. To me, wanting a ship just so it'll give you a discount is really greedy in my opinion.
By cruiser commands, do you mean the Command battlecruiser abilities, or the Cruiser Command abilties? If it's the latter, the Tier 5 Odyssey already has all 4 due to it being being a regular cruiser.
As for the ability to launch the Chevron and Aquarius at the same time, I believe that was an oversight by the Devs when designing the Odyssey since they didn't make a costume where both were launched. That's really the only reason we don't have that as far as I know.
Oh and the console layout, too many console slots. Tier 6 ships (including those that aren't getting fleet quality since they're already near that with their console layout) have a maximum of 11 consoles. A tier 6 version of the Odyssey will probably have the console layout of the Tier 5-U version.
I think I speak for everyone who has witnessed how powerful a Scimitar is when I say ARE YOU NUTS?! The Scimitar will never get another weapon slot since 8 is the maximum ships have. Same goes for the 2nd Hangar bay, way too OP. For the Console layout, see explanation with the Odyssey.
Except for the hangar bay and the console layout (see Odyssey again), a higher turn rate would probably be beneficial for the Bortasqu'.
Cryptic will never deviate from the set numbers that they have for Tier 6 ships (11 consoles, 8 weapon slots total).
So, nope.
LOL. Same here.
So, yeah, not gonna do that to others, either.
No doubt I'll pick up the Scimmy pack again. Might as well start planning ahead.
The only issue I'm having with this, is that I upgraded many C-Store/lockbox ships to T5-U already, cuz they said we'd never get them T6-ed. So, looks now I'll have to double-dip getting them to T6, after all (or triple-dip, if you consider the inital purchase).
Some people, myself included would like to know how the hell to make a poll on this terrible, backwards, forum interface.
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And add 1 exclusive console slot (instead of something like a Hangar) that allows for equipping of any Specialist Console that will grant the Flagship the same power as a Specialized ship; so a Command Console would grant any Flagship Command Inspiration capabilities, or an Intel Console would grant Intel Analysis. Sole exception would be that there's no Pilot Console, and no Flagship able to perform Pilot Maneuvers.
Each Flagship would come with one Specialist Console slotted (Tac-Intel, Eng-Command, Sci-Future Sci Specialist Ability); the other two only obtainable via buying the ship, while future Specialist Consoles will be available for the price of 1 Fleet Module. The Bundles and Mega Bundle will include a bonus console that can later be purchased separately (a 4th Specialist Console).
Beyond that, I don't care much if they reuse the exact same consoles off the Flagships; just improve their passives, and let the Odyssey be able to separate both the Aquarius and Chevron saucer at the same time. Let the Specialist Consoles also affect that of deployed Separation Pets; such as the Bort's BoP getting SS1 and Ionic Turbulence if an Intel Module is slotted, or the Odyssey's Aquarius and Saucer being able to use Command Inspiration abilities independently (they don't take as long to charge up given the Pets' suicidal natures, but they activate the skills at random).
This is non-negotiable.
It's a ripoff from my point of view.
Couldn't they just made a token that gave T5s spec access? Starship traits were totally unnecessary and usually a way to fit in the ship an OP component. (Reciprocity and AHOD just to say two).
Then keep releasing ships at T5 that required an upgrade to use specializations.
...nah, better pay another 30 bucks for an improved carbon copy.