T5 Vesta or wait for the T6?

duebarton

Greetings,

I saved enough Dil to get myself a Vesta but should I buy it now or wait on a T6 (if it ever comes)?

Thanks!
-DB

alethkiraen

Wait for the T7.

mustrumridcully0

It wil probably take months, if not a year or more for a Tier 6 Vesta, since there have been no announcements and also no good rumours/leaks around it.

But I would not recommend buying a Tier 5 Vesta right now either. Even if the Vesta is probably the best Tier 5 Science Vessel.

If you decide you can't wait any longer, do two things:
1) Ask again on the forums if there are any reliable rumours about a Tier 6 Vesta. If yes, hold out until it's there.
2) Wait for a ship sale. No reason to pay full price for a ship that you might replace in a reasonable soon timeframe.

Scryer, Dauntless and Long Range Science Vessel are the currently available Tier 6 Science Vessels. The LRSV has plenty of customization options available, Scryer and Dauntless less so.

seriousdave

If you're really just after the looks of it then, sure why not. Though I'd also recommend waitong for a sale.
But if you're actually looking for high performance then you should look towards the pathfinder or scryer.

Tbh I think it's very unlikely that we'll see a T6 refit of it, mostly because I don't think they'll do that for 3-pack ships like the vesta, scimi, ody, dyson, ect.
Also crytpic isn't very keen on making sci ships in general, just look at the last couple months. Cruisers, destroyers and escorts all over the place with more cruisers, destroyers, escorts & escort carriers on the horizon.
One could get the impression they just don't like it, like the colors red & green.....

mustrumridcully0

seriousdave wrote: »

If you're really just after the looks of it then, sure why not. Though I'd also recommend waitong for a sale.
But if you're actually looking for high performance then you should look towards the pathfinder or scryer.

Tbh I think it's very unlikely that we'll see a T6 refit of it, mostly because I don't think they'll do that for 3-pack ships like the vesta, scimi, ody, dyson, ect.
Also crytpic isn't very keen on making sci ships in general, just look at the last couple months. Cruisers, destroyers and escorts all over the place with more cruisers, destroyers, escorts & escort carriers on the horizon.
One could get the impression they just don't like it, like the colors red & green.....

Of course, just a month after Delta Rising, one was left to believe they love nothing more than Science Vessel, since that introduced 3 new Fed Science Vessels!

I think the problem is that players don't buy enough SVs. Making any of the ship types looks equally hard, the question is what you get in return for them.

So maybe a reason to buy the Vesta, no matter what's on the horizon...

gofasternow

Without the Negative Nancy comments you're seeing, I don't think you should hold your breath on a T6 Vesta. Why? Licensing. The Vesta is one of the few Novelverse ships we have and I'm certain that trying to make a T6 version means having to renegotiate.

However, yes, you should save your dil for getting the ship on the next ship sale (probably be around the end of the Risa event on the 17th)

mustrumridcully0

gofasternow wrote: »

Without the Negative Nancy comments you're seeing, I don't think you should hold your breath on a T6 Vesta. Why? Licensing. The Vesta is one of the few Novelverse ships we have and I'm certain that trying to make a T6 version means having to renegotiate.

However, yes, you should save your dil for getting the ship on the next ship sale (probably be around the end of the Risa event on the 17th)

I believe there was mention of the Luna by Geko on a podcast - so maybe there is hope yet. And the contract they have might already handle the option for later updates. I am not sure, but I think the models in game were done by Cryptic artists anyway, so they don't need Rademaker to do it. They just need to have a license that allows them to use it further than they already have..

dareau

I've noticed that Cryptic goes in cycles when it comes to Science ships...

Remember the Orb Weaver and Temporal Sci as "grand prizes" from two consecutive lockboxes? Then pretty much nothing out of them for "science" until the Vesta and Dyson...

Well, T6 brings much the same "logic". Launch 3x Sci ships (Scryer, Pathfinder, Dauntless), then "clam up" on Sci vessels until they've fleshed out the Cruiser and Escort communities.

One of the reasons I have been chiming in extra loud on the KDF & RR Science threads of late. Since they based no T6 "starter Sci Vessel" on the sales of the Varanus - they need extreme forceful reminders that perhaps their logic is flawed and a T6 Sci would benefit the KDF, RR, and Cryptic's balance sheet...

grayfoxjames

I'm still waiting on my T6 Fleet Science Odyssey Refit

My money is already spread out around my computer but Cryptic is taking too long!

kittyflofy

Why to wait?? the T5U Vesta (the 3 -pack of course) is as capable as any T6 ship, and it is still one of the best science ships available. I mean, what is the urge of everybody to get a T6??? i dont get it. lol.

And knowing that cryptic is really against science, the T6 could be delayed for months (if actually they released it).

seriousdave

grayfoxjames wrote: »

I'm still waiting on my T6 Fleet Science Odyssey Refit

My money is already spread out around my computer but Cryptic is taking too long!

Let's slap a intel cmdr. on it and I'll right behind you in the waiting line.

seriousdave

kittyflofy wrote: »

Why to wait?? the T5U Vesta (the 3 -pack of course) is as capable as any T6 ship, and it is still one of the best science ships available. I mean, what is the urge of everybody to get a T6??? i dont get it. lol.

And knowing that cryptic is really against science, the T6 could be delayed for months (if actually they released it).

Because it is worth the consideration. Overall the biggest difference may only be the 1 boff slot but if it's like a lt.cmdr or even lt. it can make a big difference.
Imagine the vesta got their tac or engi seat upgraded by 1 rank. Stuff like eject warp plasma on a partigen build or Aux2Sif II and keeping the universal lt.cmdr. for sci, or some of the tac options like beta2, TS3 with the grav torp, aux cannon focused builds with CRF/CSV while still having the uni lt.cmdr. free.
Even if just the ensign got upgraded it would open a lot of possibilities, that's why people ask for a T6 version.

But as you say, chances aren't in our favour.

sheldonlcooper

There is some speculation that we see a T6 vesta in the picture advertising the new delta holding, however there is no solid evidence. I am a Vesta aficionado. I guess I would say wait until all the news about the new holding comes out. I guess this will be by the end of the summer festival.

swamarian

While I've heard random rumors of a T6 Vesta, I don't expect one to be released in at least the next 3 months. Randomly guessing, I'd expect it to be part of a Fed/KDF/Rom 3 or 9 pack.

flash525

Wait for the T6. It's release is inevitable.

alcyoneserene

Don't know what to tell you really. I guess it comes down to how much do you really like the look of the Vestas, and their unique features (aux-powered phaser DHC & flight deck) to use hard earned dilithium for a T5 class that's clearly just being phased out by ever more powerful and capable T6F. Even at T6, I find some ships (Scryer) quite a lot more all-round capable than others (Dauntless), but I still fly both because they look great and are still unique in their own ways.

Haven't flown the Vestas in a long while now, but am still eager to try them out again, though am afraid of those herald raiders that just bypass shields and take out hulls like they're made of glass, especially weak ones as Sci ships tend to have and without the speed & +defense of escorts to evade them and also speed tank some of the antiproton and transphasic damage.

Vestas are one of my most favorite ships, 1st ship pack I ever grinded dilithium for, and 2nd ship I ever got after an Odyssey. In how today's game seems to go, with the out of control immunities, instant hull and shield heals, teleports and movement bonuses, flanking upon raider flanking, it wouldn't surprise me if the next Science ships will too be more powerful than anything before them.

I'm also not sure what they'll do with T5 packs in T6 versions. Maybe they'll release one T6 skin that enhances the many combinations with the old (as they did with the Avenger), make it full science plus tactical secondary in console layout, and add some console synergy actually worthwhile slotting that seriously boosts existing console powers so they aren't just sad gimmicks that aren't worth 1 much less 3 console slots.

Perhaps in your place, I'd just choose the Scryer as it is also full intel and the only Sci ship with a basic built-in cloak, or if you really like the look of the Pathfinder (fleet variant's locked behind a T5 shipyard) or Dauntless instead just settle for one of those, and join the long waiting game while you have something very good to work with for the time being.

kittyflofy

alcyoneserene wrote: »

Haven't flown the Vestas in a long while now, but am still eager to try them out again, though am afraid of those herald raiders that just bypass shields and take out hulls like they're made of glass, especially weak ones as Sci ships tend to have and without the speed & +defense of escorts to evade them and also speed tank some of the antiproton and transphasic damage.

With the Vesta 3-pack consoles you dont need to worry about shields.. trust me.. xD, the Vesta must be if not the most, one of the most shield-powered ships in-game since ever. Not only because it is a science ship (+bonus to shield cap) because the 3 pack gives you extra shield abilities that are in one word - amazing -.

For me, until Cryptic releases others auxiliary based weaponry to use in a way like the Vesta, i will never get rid of it. I love it. And the best part is, not even in advanced stfs or anywhere i sweat at all. I mean, of course there are better ships, it is the evolution, but who says that the Vesta is "obsolete" or "worst" (it is but you will almost not notice the difference) or "a waste when you have other options", dont have any idea at all what he is talking about.

thatcursedwolf

As there's no discount for having the old and busted T5 version (including the money spent on an aftermarket T5U token) when buying the new hotness T6 if you *really* have to have a Vesta I'd at least wait for a sale.

While specializations let them sell the same ship over and over it also means you have to wait for a ship you like the look of *and* has a specialization you like and won't be replaced by the next specialization.

mustrumridcully0

So far Cryptic hasn't released any 3-ship packs that were based on existing 3-ship packs, so it's anyone guess how they do it. I would have kinda expected them to bring the Flagships to Tier 6 as one of the first retrofits, but seems they are taking their time with that, too.

I kinda hope they just make it a cross-faction bundle of a total of 3 ships (1 per faction). If you got the old bundle, you get all the consoles and all the alternative skins. No new console set. It would make it a bit ... cheaper to upgrade the Vesta than having to buy a full Tier 6 bundle...

But who knows when they ever get around that... if ever.

orion0029

The Vesta bundle was the first C-Store ships I've ground out dilithium to buy, and after nearly two years I still say I don't regret the purchase. The Vesta (any variant really, though I use the Tac Vesta), is still a powerful and most versatile ship.

It does have a couple of failings, though:
#1. Being so versatile, your build will either ROCK or SUCK.
#2. It has a rather weak hull, which with all the hull heal traits around isn't so much of a problem nowadays.

Even after flying the Pathfinder and Scryer, I still come back to my Vesta. It's a good ship, even if it's only a T5-U.

I'd buy them. Though wait until a sale, you'd get some upgrade tokens to go with them!

alcyoneserene

kittyflofy wrote: »

mean, of course there are better ships, it is the evolution, but who says that the Vesta is "obsolete" or "worst" (it is but you will almost not notice the difference)

Perhaps that's a reason I haven't gotten around to flying them again, just so I don't see the big power gap between T5 and T6. Perhaps a good way to really see this difference is to use an alt with mediocre or freebie gear. I've done that with a T5U Odyssey during the mirror invasion event. Then I switched to the Eclipse (not even the fleet version which wasn't out back then) shortly after the event, and I was saddened to see their "competitive" "upgrade" fall way behind.

Granted the difference probably won't be noticeable to those who have upgraded gear, and some of those crazy R&D consoles, but I still rely on Mk XII fleet gear and only now barely got some nice space AP weapons which won't work on the Vesta as I like the aux-power, so to me I'm pretty sure I will see a big difference in the same way. Also, I have the Rom Dreadnought pack, and as much as I like all those console and set powers, I've been wanting to strip them in favor of better consoles. I really hope you're right that the Vesta's one of the few ships still worth having the consoles slotted.

If the OP really barely got enough Dilithium for the pack, or maybe just one ship, they'll probably be in the same boat as me, and could definitely use all the advantages of T6 special ships like pilots, comm cruisers, and in this case, intel sci.

I better dust off the Vestas before saying anything more about them.

spyralpegacyon

kittyflofy wrote: »

With the Vesta 3-pack consoles you dont need to worry about shields.. trust me.. xD, the Vesta must be if not the most, one of the most shield-powered ships in-game since ever. Not only because it is a science ship (+bonus to shield cap) because the 3 pack gives you extra shield abilities that are in one word - amazing -.

For me, until Cryptic releases others auxiliary based weaponry to use in a way like the Vesta, i will never get rid of it. I love it. And the best part is, not even in advanced stfs or anywhere i sweat at all. I mean, of course there are better ships, it is the evolution, but who says that the Vesta is "obsolete" or "worst" (it is but you will almost not notice the difference) or "a waste when you have other options", dont have any idea at all what he is talking about.

All of this. If you're talking about performance, there's no T6 aux phasers or T6 QFFC or T6 sci ship with LCdr/Ens universals or T6 sci ship with a universal hangar. (I can't remember if the Fleet Dauntless comes with 3 or 4 tac consoles, that would be advantage Aventine as well.) Now compare all that to the fact that all T6 nets you is an extra boff power slot.

In certain cases, T6 is better than T5U, certainly. When it comes to what the Vesta can bring, however, that's not the case. And until we know that is the case, you're not going to lose out on picking up a Vesta now. No sense waiting if you really want to fly the sci-scort!