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Dear DPS Wizards - you no longer impress me.
lingeringsoul888
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2 months ago, I was super impressed with these crazy 100k dps figures I was seeing. But after looking through the damage breakdown, I can't say I'm impressed anymore. Any and all DPS over 30k seems to come from embassy plasma consoles. Here I thought they were able to maximize the actual beams to do that, but after looking through 50 recorded runs, most of their actual beam attacks don't do anything higher than 30k dps.
I'll be off to build my 20k dps rainbow beam boat.
I'll be off to build my 20k dps rainbow beam boat.
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DPS is a fairly dubious stat at best, but DPS is the basis of the Dev created treadmill of success in STO. I just did a couple Gates normals, and not a single optional was met both times. Snooze fests of people shooting things and not even scratching the paint all the way through. The wizards do impress me, they convinced a bunch of players that not being terrible was good thing.
But will I build anything past a 30k build? Nope, that would be utterly pointless.
No embassy consoles, no tricks, just pure plain old weapons damage.
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It means you didnt look at the parse before they rebuffed the embassy consoles. There were still players doing 100k even without those consoles. Except entirely different build since they would now have space for extra critd/crith/EPS consoles.
The current embassy console build sacrifice the sci slots for the embassy consoles.
Coupled with the fact that was intensely laggy back then before they rebuffed embassy consoles vs now which have less latency to deal with.
At the end of the day, this has always kind of been the thing. Whether something was perceived as borked or not, if it was an "everybody" sort of thing; then everybody would be able to pull the numbers off. It's one of the reasons I didn't give much thought to any of the DPS players complaining about any mentioning of things that were perceived as borked - cause they would outperform the masses with whatever was available.
ME: Sits scratching head
Not sure what to make of this post exactly but, I guess I can agree!
I am not trying to defend them, since I am not one who bothers to associate with them personally but, I do believe this thread is pointless!
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Basically, everything for the most part was there, yeah? Tom could use pickles just like Jerry could use pickles, right? Tom whining about what Jerry was doing with the pickles because Tom can't do what Jerry can do with those pickles...is just plum silly (did you think I was going to say pickle silly?)...
This run below was by no means an excellent one by any standard, but you can see that the Plasma Explosion was only 34% of the total table. The rest of the DPS came from other sources, with beam attacks making up around 52% of the table.
Same and that in a pug bud fed. I love it.
My other toon doing 47k in a beam boat is... boring.
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Thanks for the laugh, it was really entertaining seeing how little you actually understand.
If you think that the boost from 30k to 100k is all embassy consoles then great.. you go stack up on those and let yourself believe you're doing massive damage. The Embassy consoles are awesome, but they aren't accounting for 70k worth of DPS. The damage you see in these runs are from a combination of specialized builds using buffs/debufs in coordination with other team members as well as inflated numbers from attacks on things like Gateways that aren't taking any actual damage. Hence the reason that ISA is always the map used for parsing.
But if you want to go on believing that people are adding 70k DPS to their build just by equipping embassy consoles, you go right ahead. I'm not saying it's some big impressive feat, but the reason you're not impressed is because you have no idea what you're reading.
If anyone wants to skip down that yellow brick road that's up to them, and I'm pretty sure they don't play the way they do to impress you, me or anyone else. So they share the fruits of their labour in videos and DPS charts and all that nonsense, but you don't have to take notice of it.
before you get all worked up (which might already be too late) - relax it's just a game and I am entitled to my option no matter how much you dislike it. Before you start insulting me about not knowing what I'm reading, I can assure you, I can quite understand a lot of the mechanics behind it. When it comes to reading combatlog, I admit I haven't played aroudn with alot of other settings because I don't fully understnad it. I do understand the part when it does plasma explosion it comes from the embassy console and that if you didn't equip these consoles, there would be NO plasma explosion no matter how well coordinated you make it. So if you take that out of the equation, the only thing left is the weapon damage. Looking at their average beam kill damage, it's not phenomenally high, which leads me to conclude that their weapon beam damage alone is only around 30k dps, which leaves the rest of 70k all console.
If you have another explanation, I'd certainly would be reception to your explanation.
This is a forum, nothing wrong with a bit of discussion and civilised argument
How do you manage 85k without embassy consoles? Certainly no one has been able to give any solid answer as to how to get around that figure. The most anyone was able to muster is "traits, doff, critd x4". I mean that's great, I've got doff too, TRIBBLE ones, lots of them, could really do with some names, or specifc traits etc etc.
I've been pouring over so many randoms runs to see if anyone could get decent damage without consoles, the highest I ever saw was around 30k.
This isn't really the thread for it, but briefly, it's a combination of high-ish crit chance and severity, overcapped FAW, pets and neutronics. But based on how I actually pilot, it can vary by as much as 40k. Making sure you are hitting flanks, popping buffs at the right time, hitting as many targets as possible with FAW, not being left behind out of combat because you mistimed an evasive maneuver... that sort of thing can really effect your run a lot more than any piece of gear.
Technically, this run he's talking about there was no gateway doping involved.
It quite simply comes down to the fact that there was two recluses buffing on Tulwar for max sci embassy explosions. If you watch the video you see him jump up from 100k to over 200k. That came simply from plasma explosions.
Couple that with finishing the ISA run in a fast time and you have 90% of what this run was. It essentially was beat on burst DPS rather than sustained DPS.
Oh and it was done in a 3/2 split. There was no going from the left side to the right side.
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Now in PvE I use my aggro, massive defense resists, and continuous heals to save my team so they can get their 40,000-90,000 DPS.
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Fair enough. I wasn't aware about the circumstances really, just thought that I'd add that "term" into the "equasion" since It does alter the results, sometimes...
No doubt that it does. I chase the DPS numbers. And the sad reality is that there are several scores ahead of me that has some sort of doping going on. Some are doing gateway doping like you said. It isn't a common thing for two people to be about equal in 100k DPS in one ISA run. Normally there's a good difference from one to the next. Others are using 1-2 sets of recluses to boost their numbers up. Meanwhile those who get a random group either from just queuing up or calling out in a channel are getting so far left behind it becomes a deterrence rather than an encouragement.
Top DPS 102k
I feel it's a measure of the sorry state of the game that this is popular.
You are aware that per borticus' description of the console the bug is that csv and normal attacks don't crit right? Fire at will critting is working as intended, all other attacks are bugged. If we had a better search tool I'd link his old post for you.
Yap, on DHC-s they are usless... I've tried on my phantom with 4 Antiproton DHC-s, and plasma ex bearly add 600DPS...
It's not out of reach, upgrade your weapons to Mk XIV (no need for rarity upgrade) and use embassy consoles and upgrade them to epic (Don't worry it's way less expensive than weapons). That should bring you in the 30-35k DPS range. Piloting/positioning/timing will do the rest. Don't forget to use the T4 Nukara offense and defense if you want (with good aux), that help too.