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Command cruisers vs.Fleet D'Khellra/Aelahl
willamsheridan
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My klingon-allied Toon got her plasm. Leech today so i think i am going to level this toon up for a bit.
She, like all my toons is an Engineer and i am not a big Fan of Escort/Pilot ships except on my main Toon (also i really don't like how the kllingon/Romulan ships look)
So i thought that i could get the Aelahl and D'Khellra fleet versions OR the command cruiser Pack.
I know that the C-cruisers would be 1000 Zen cheaper but that s not so important for me. THe main reason why i don't like them for my Fed toons i that they don't have the crusier commands but no Romulan ship has those.
I intend to use them with Fleet Embassy and Spire consoles but not focus on crafted weapons but use the Rep. Store Romulan Plasma Beams and DBBs instead
So what would be better? The Command Pack or the Aelahl/D'Khellra. I would buy the D'Khellra first so i can replace the Aelahl with a T6 Mogai if the rumors about that ship are true.
She, like all my toons is an Engineer and i am not a big Fan of Escort/Pilot ships except on my main Toon (also i really don't like how the kllingon/Romulan ships look)
So i thought that i could get the Aelahl and D'Khellra fleet versions OR the command cruiser Pack.
I know that the C-cruisers would be 1000 Zen cheaper but that s not so important for me. THe main reason why i don't like them for my Fed toons i that they don't have the crusier commands but no Romulan ship has those.
I intend to use them with Fleet Embassy and Spire consoles but not focus on crafted weapons but use the Rep. Store Romulan Plasma Beams and DBBs instead
So what would be better? The Command Pack or the Aelahl/D'Khellra. I would buy the D'Khellra first so i can replace the Aelahl with a T6 Mogai if the rumors about that ship are true.
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For the Roms however, this isn't an issue. They don't have Cruiser Commands on Cruiser-styled Warbirds anyways, so it's a not a problem. I would say the Command FDCs are a very attractive option for a Rom that wants a Cruiser kind of an experience.
To be more specific, only the TAC & SCI versions are of use. The game doesn't need ultra-heavy Eng Cruisers that have next to no Tactical ability. The TAC version has LtCdr TAC and 4 TAC, 4 ENG consoles. Solid enough. The SCI version gives you a SCI Cruiser kind of ship. More SCI-oriented ships with GW is appreciated anywhere.
Traits? The TAC version's "All Hands on Deck" is fabulous. SCI version's trait is useless to most unless you run a Flow Caps build featuring Tachyon Beam. ENG version? One of the trashiest Starship Traits in existence.
Command FDC pack or buy in singles? TBH, I should have just gone with the TAC version purchase. The Command FDC set isn't all that, most especially so if you do not have the Samsar's Console. Not to mention a 4-piece console set is extremely limiting, taxing on a build. On top of this, only 1 of the traits from the Pack is of real use anywhere else.
In short, TAC Command Warbird is a solid "TAC Cruiser" style of ship. The SCI version is viable. But if you only will spend for 1 ship, TAC Command all the way. That trait is fabulous and you can take that to practically anywhere else and make that other build better.
Now, compared to the T6 D'Deridex or T6 Aehlal?
The D'Deridex was one of the first cruisers in STO that literally could do it all. TAC, ENG, SCI. Having the LtCdr TAC *and* SCI stations made the D'D a very flexible ship in the same way the Guardian is for the Feds. However, it's not particularly strong in TAC or SCI because of the 3 consoles for each. It's enough to get the job done but not a big feature. The Trait? Not very useful. First, it's tied to RSP which inherently is one of the longest BOFF ability CDs in the entire game. Secondly, it has an extremely short range. For a ship that moves like the D'D does, the trait with RSP use is not useful.
The T6 Aehlal?... I used to like the Aehlal a whole lot. When DR released, it was a decent enough Non-Fleet T6 "TAC Cruiser" styled Warbird. The hope was that the Fleet version would land the ship a 4th TAC Console, because the Aehlal had no special particular leaning to Science anyways. But what does Cryptic do? It doesn't get a 4th TAC and it REALLY hurts this ship. The saving grace for the Aehlal is having limited access to Intel. Namely Override Subsystem Safeties to help make up some extra punch when you attack. The Trait is nice for Battlecloaking ships because it drops a decoy to catch aggro. If you want a TAC Cruiser styled Warbird, I can't recommend the Aehlal at all anymore. The Fleet version is very bad.
TLDR for your T6 options:
If you want a flexible ship that can do it all, the T6 D'Deridex is the choice.
If you want a TAC Cruiser styled ship, the Rom TAC Command FDC is great. The trait All Hands on Deck is outstanding.
If you want a more dedicated SCI Cruiser styled ship, the Rom SCI Command FDC is great.
but 2/3 of the command cruisers are good (and i will find use for the 3rd and if its just for the Uni consoles).
So basically for romulans the command cruisers are the better choice but for Feds they are not so good?
I have the CC pack on my Fed toon and i rarely use them. I really miss my Cruiser commands even with a leech.
For my Klingon toons i'll get the Negh VarT6 with Commands btw.
I think i'll get the Command Cruisers then because they look better than the D'Deridex, D'Khellra and
Aelahl and the bit less hull should not be a problem
Now i only need to get 2 leeches for my Fed allied Romulans (my klingon gets them from the Nausicaan ship)
--Red Annorax
About the Mogai/Morrigu. I read that there was a T6 Ar'kif coming. Comparing the lower Tier versions: should i wait for the Ar'Kif or get the morrigu ? I honestly have never been a fan of the Mogai. Hull too short, Wingspan too wide but the Morrigu looks better. Still not sure if the Morrigu or T6 Ar'kif will be better (i prefer a cruiser playstyle, not too much escort) but since i already have the Arbiter for my fed i can't get a reduced three ship pack for my Orion and Romulans so 2 ships for 3500 (fleet) each. The Ar'kala/Armitage would just be 7500 for 3 ships (6000 for the pack, 1500 each for fleet) and there is no doubt that i will get the Armitage.
Also compared to the other ships the morrigu has only 4/3 weapons not 5/3, lower hull, no cruiser commands (like all Rom. ships) but 5° more turn which is not really needed with DBBS and 5 Tac consoles. no idea if thats better or not
So the T6 D'Khellra for Romulans and Negh'Tev for Klingons are good enough to be useful in normal and advanced queues with Rom. Plasma for Roms and Biomol. Disruptors for KDF?
I can't afford to craft CritDx3s on now 5 chars and those weapons are easy to get because the romulan rep only has marks, no rare marks and the undine Rep is also nice and i will use faction specific weapons too
You also need to look at the entire set of stats of a ship. You're taking 1 or 2 lines of stats and comparing completely different ship styles.
The, the T6 Mogai has 4/3 weapons. 7 weapons total, yes. As an Escort, it flies MUCH BETTER than any Cruiser. It has a great Console and BOFF layout. The LtCmdr ENG and LtCmdr Universal/Intel stations supplement the Mogai extremely well. An Escort that lets me slot EPTW3 + OSS3 and not interfere at all my considerable TAC abilities that are backed by a Cmdr & Lt TAC station with 5 TAC Consoles. The console set suits it very well, especially the 2 piece bonus that gives -25% weapons power cost. A nice thing for any Escort.
For the record, I have the T6 Mogai and I love it. I also bought the T5 version back when LOR released. I loved it in PVE and certain in PVP when I used to do it, and it was my preferred warbird for PVP.