You obviously did not read the specs on the hog, it said clearly speed 65 the other 1500 favor board said speed 60...that is not a bug, it was as advertised. I would explain what a bug is to you but i doubt you would ever understand. Educate yourself on the subject then post:eek:
Umm bugs include putting in the wrong stats. #facepalm It is not as narrow as your definition.
This one really mystified me. The speed and turn rate were listed on the board for everyone to see. The one thing which was not on the info page was the exact amount of drift, which the Targ board still has, which more than compensates for its faster turn: turn hard, slide to the side.
What troubles me is that everyone who complained had the exact same opportunity I had to look over the various boards. I picked the fastest one and paid more for it. Had I been aware a nerf was coming, I'd have saved 500 favors and bought the cheaper one which has the exact same speed with better handling. If there was an even faster board, I'd pay 500 extra for it.
I am not happy with this situation. I feel as if I have been cheated of the hours it took to earn the extra favors, but I won't demand the Devs 'fix' it to suit my idea of fair because it's pretty obvious they don't understand what the word means. Fair is equality of opportunity, not equality of results. We all had the same opportunity. Some made choices then demanded that those who made other choices be penalized for it. This is demanding equality of results, and it is grossly unfair.
This is a case of bait and switch. Or rather, bait, whine, and switch.
But cost is different, 1500 as other superior boards are 1000 with the exception of the "faction" board that is equally 1500.
Entry point to the Race and Hunt is 2500 Favors per character, sure you could go with a lower board and technically you can use a worst floater and be fine (its entirely possible even on foot) but all superior floaters are 1000, the minor cosmetic differences should not justify the same cost difference from the normal to the superior.
You are right, I thought all superior boards were equal to the faction boards. That a cost difference not really explained easily - however:
It's a cost difference of 500 favours. You grab in bunches for free, the difference is in in 45 minutes (!) of playtime in an event that lasts six weeks or so. Entry point for the activities is zero, since you can rent items for 1000 EC. With rental floaters you can complete the hunt on 3 characters and I got second places on the rental powerboard.
The last poster ranted about this as well - it's not that you paid 25 dollars on this. If any, you "paid" 45 or so minutes of playing summer activities like fly through the hoops and dance in emotes. If everything is such a hard time=cost calculation for you I personally just would stop PLAYING the game. I know that minds may vary on this, but it's really creepy how easily people act like the worst thing ever happened to them was the "nerf" of some computer waveboard with rocket fuel...
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Everyone had the exact same opportunity as I had. Then, those who made a different choice screamed about the benefits I got for the choice I made.
Hoyle's Law: If the rules are the same for everyone and remain the same throughout the game, the game is fair. There was nothing unfair about the Targ board. There's a lot that's unfair about changing the rules after the game has started.
It's a cost difference of 500 favours. You grab in bunches for free, the difference is in in 45 minutes (!) of playtime in an event that lasts six weeks or so. Entry point for the activities is zero, since you can rent items for 1000 EC. With rental floaters you can complete the hunt on 3 characters and I got second places on the rental powerboard.
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Amen to that. And right in all fairness there is really only a point in getting one board at all even if you have infinite toons. Everybody knows that threw will be a better board around next year anyway so there is no grinding or any poor players vs. rich players or casuals vs. hardcore around
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Saved up favours and was finally able to buy my targ last night...
Fortunatly I noticed the nerf (which I don't mind really) why have 1 board faster then all the others anyway ?
Then I noticed the LL&P board at 1000 favours had the exact same stats as the targ and UFP boards at 1500 favours.
I saved a cool 500 favours and went with the LL&P board.
Think ill buy me another B'kini
Also its a small tribute to Mr Spock.
The least I could do.
Personally, I am glad that they fixed the Targ. I purchased one and used it for a week and I did enjoy it, but it was simply too fast. One needed no skill to win a race with a Targ. I have no idea how many times I saw people miss corners or outright crash and still catch up to other boards simply because of the superior speed. I enjoyed my Targ, but I enjoy my Romulan board even more.
The poor handling negated the speed boost. If a Targ rider makes a mistake and goes wide in a turn it is now impossible to recover from it because all the cheaper boards fly past and with the same speed as the Targ you are never catching up. For players like me with poor hand-eye coordination the Targ is no longer a viable option if winning the race is your goal. But I'm stuck with it.
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The poor handling negated the speed boost. If a Targ rider makes a mistake and goes wide in a turn it is now impossible to recover from it because all the cheaper boards fly past and with the same speed as the Targ you are never catching up. For players like me with poor hand-eye coordination the Targ is no longer a viable option if winning the race is your goal. But I'm stuck with it.
Then just get another one. It's not that you are limited to one board. Honestly, all the drama. Yes, the race isn't coded properly (for example, missing prompts or the fact you actually have to drive left or right past the speed boosts and not over them) but we all knew that because STO isn't meant to handle such things. Yes, one board that was clearly better than all others despite there being no reason for it was cut back to be equal but different and it is very likely that the changes don't suit your playstyle any more. But you can just get another board. 1000 or 1500 favours are really not a hurdle that sabotages your whole game experience.
I don't want to come over as disrespectful or hostile, but I really fail to wrap my head around the rage about the summer games which just let you grind for cosmetic items. Now, if people even spent five bucks on the board I could understand it all. But the way it is... no, not really.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Then just get another one. It's not that you are limited to one board. Honestly, all the drama. Yes, the race isn't coded properly (for example, missing prompts or the fact you actually have to drive left or right past the speed boosts and not over them) but we all knew that because STO isn't meant to handle such things. Yes, one board that was clearly better than all others despite there being no reason for it was cut back to be equal but different and it is very likely that the changes don't suit your playstyle any more. But you can just get another board. 1000 or 1500 favours are really not a hurdle that sabotages your whole game experience.
I don't want to come over as disrespectful or hostile, but I really fail to wrap my head around the rage about the summer games which just let you grind for cosmetic items. Now, if people even spent five bucks on the board I could understand it all. But the way it is... no, not really.
So, what you are saying is that my time has no value, and that I should be content that after the fact rules changes reward players who made fashion choices over mechanical game play ones. After all, all I have to do is spend more time grinding.
Here is the issue: the stats were clearly listed, and people chose based on what they valued. Then, when it was discovered that their choice resulted in inferior results in game play, they screamed for and got a negation in the value of my choice. Further, because the handling characteristics were not brought in line with the other boards, my choice is now mechanically inferior to boards costing 2/3 the price, (and time consumed to acquire it,) of mine, when the only reason I bought the thing is gameplay mechanics. (I don't give a TRIBBLE about the way it looks, and actually think the Targ is quite ugly, but I bought it for gameplay, not appearance.)
Changing the rules after the game has started to reward one player's choices over another is not fair. This is my issue. There is no rage, just disappointment that those who seek equality of outcome no matter the choices they make win yet again.
Then just get another one. It's not that you are limited to one board. Honestly, all the drama. Yes, the race isn't coded properly (for example, missing prompts or the fact you actually have to drive left or right past the speed boosts and not over them) but we all knew that because STO isn't meant to handle such things. Yes, one board that was clearly better than all others despite there being no reason for it was cut back to be equal but different and it is very likely that the changes don't suit your playstyle any more. But you can just get another board. 1000 or 1500 favours are really not a hurdle that sabotages your whole game experience.
I don't want to come over as disrespectful or hostile, but I really fail to wrap my head around the rage about the summer games which just let you grind for cosmetic items. Now, if people even spent five bucks on the board I could understand it all. But the way it is... no, not really.
^^ Well said!
I got another superior board, the other day, simply because I didn't like the color of my old one. And it's not like I actually had to pay for it with RL monies. Heck, I may even get a Targ board, at some point, just because, well, it's a flat Targ, LOL, and that is always wacky fun!
So, what you are saying is that my time has no value, and that I should be content that after the fact rules changes reward players who made fashion choices over mechanical game play ones. After all, all I have to do is spend more time grinding.
Here is the issue: the stats were clearly listed, and people chose based on what they valued. Then, when it was discovered that their choice resulted in inferior results in game play, they screamed for and got a negation in the value of my choice. Further, because the handling characteristics were not brought in line with the other boards, my choice is now mechanically inferior to boards costing 2/3 the price, (and time consumed to acquire it,) of mine, when the only reason I bought the thing is gameplay mechanics. (I don't give a TRIBBLE about the way it looks, and actually think the Targ is quite ugly, but I bought it for gameplay, not appearance.)
Changing the rules after the game has started to reward one player's choices over another is not fair. This is my issue. There is no rage, just disappointment that those who seek equality of outcome no matter the choices they make win yet again.
I could even get behind that, if the whole issue wasn't so trivial. I understand the principle and if it was a starship you paid 30 bucks for I would not argue at all. But the sumer event is a fun-time, relaxation event in which you win more or less worthless tokens to unlock cosmetic items for your character which are mostly limited to the summer zone itself. It's a closed system fun activities that have no impact whatsoever on the overall gameplay. And the time invested that was "negated" is literally about one hour (1500 favors = 15 hunts, one hunt takes even with a rental floater 4 minutes tops). You need one hour, probably less if you really play "efficient" to earn the board. Besides when you calculate time and effort the time you touch the keyboard I'd personally say you are missing the purpose of a game, but that's just my opinion and has no bearing on my point.
Additionally to the ingame tooltip, the board was described in the devblog. The devblog is linked in the games' launcher. That devblog never said the board is faster. It said it trades intertia for turnrate. The in-game item did not reflect that, so you could have thought that there is something funny going on. Now, I don't blame "the victim", but it doesn't justify the outrage many players (not you personally) express about that.
I do even agree that something must have gone wrong entirely, as now, after the change, we have the Targ back to equal speed and highe turnrate - but the turnrate is actually so high that it breaks the animation - I cannot bleieve that was what they were going for, so I even agree that looks fishy - but then again, there's nothing of relevance tied to the whole issue and the "new" targ just requires a slight adaptation in the racing technique. Depending on how you play, the turnrate lets you come out first once again easily.
If the critique would be directed at the race itself, that's something I support without question. The mechanics don't work, frankly.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Actually this is a form of false advertising, I ground long and hard to put 15 toons on the Targ to get the speed boost, now they nerf it back after I spent all those favors on something I didn't need, I already had those toons on superiors from last year I don't mind competition and an even playing field but don't put something out and make us buy it to get even, then slip it back to be equal to what we already had. That's what has me tweeked over this. 22500 Favors that I would not have spent hours grinding had they not screwed up and made the things so outrageously fast in the 1st place. Grind Trek has gone to a new low now.
So, what you are saying is that my time has no value
Commonly made internet mistake...
Your time spent on a game, or surfing for your favorite TRIBBLE, or following some shallow micro-celebrity on Farce-Book has no financial value, regardless of how much an hour you make in your 'day job'.
Nobody is going to pay you for your recreational time. If you don't enjoy your time doing activity X, move on.
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Actually this is a form of false advertising, (...)
Actually, the advertising for the board reads: "Finally, the new Klingon Targ Hog Superior Mini-Powerboard gives enthusiasts a slightly different experience, with a shorter board, higher turn rate, and lower traction." No word on it being faster.
Only point I can agree with you is that STO got the mindless grind drones to a point they just will go on without double checking or thinking. And demand refunds later. Of literally worthless fun tokens. And if it's "time" they want compensated, see demonicaesthetics posting. (No, this is not referred to you personally).
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Actually, the advertising for the board reads: "Finally, the new Klingon Targ Hog Superior Mini-Powerboard gives enthusiasts a slightly different experience, with a shorter board, higher turn rate, and lower traction." No word on it being faster.
Actually, it _did_ say that the board is faster than the rest of the boards, so how is it not false advertising? You just pick a specific passage which doesn't mention speed, but that doesn't mean higher speed wasn't advertised elsewhere.
demand refunds later. Of literally worthless fun tokens.
The price of favors peaked at 28 thousand EC per piece in mid May. The board costs 1500 favors. That's more than 40 million EC that you could get if instead of buying a board you saved the the favors for next year and sold them before the next year's event started. I wouldn't exactly call that worthless.
The price of favors peaked at 28 thousand EC per piece in mid May. The board costs 1500 favors. That's more than 40 million EC that you could get if instead of buying a board you saved the the favors for next year and sold them before the next year's event started. I wouldn't exactly call that worthless.
Lolwut?! Anyone spending 40 mil on a Targ board deserves to have it nerfed -- to the point of making it slower than everything else even! :P
No, seriously, the Lohlunats favors are extremely easy to come by; 100 for just standing around and dance, alone. So, considering dancing only, 1 Targ board costs you having 15x fun. (Darn, that number should have been 17x, to allowing for a running gag *g*). Heck, you could have made a fast 100 in the time you were writing your post even.
Actually, it _did_ say that the board is faster than the rest of the boards, so how is it not false advertising? You just pick a specific passage which doesn't mention speed, but that doesn't mean higher speed wasn't advertised elsewhere.
Where? If you show me that the advertised the board as being faster anywhere it is not to my knowledge and would change my point of view on this particular element. But my citation comes from the official devblog advertising the event prizes. I think even the in-game tooltip doesn't mention speed - the only thing which indicated more speed was that the game did say the board hat 65 speed instead of 60 but that was, as Cryptic claims, an error. None of the actual descriptions supported higher speed.
The price of favors peaked at 28 thousand EC per piece in mid May. The board costs 1500 favors. That's more than 40 million EC that you could get if instead of buying a board you saved the the favors for next year and sold them before the next year's event started. I wouldn't exactly call that worthless.
Exchange rates are player made. If there are players willing to spend X EC on items they could get for free in five minutes of playtime that's one thing, but those are imaginary prices set by players. The favours itself have no value but to be used to claim summer event prizes which have no value of their own (can't be sold for EC). You can sell the outfits on the exchange, but again, that's a completely random system. You could calculate the price of a swimsuit outfit in phaser banks if you wanted.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I don't quite get your point. I did sell my favors prior to the event, making tens of millions of EC, which translates to a significant profit which I can spend buying other in-game stuff. It's not some absured virtual price, people were actually buying favors at over 20k EC. So yes, I can grind dilithium for days, or I can spend 3 minutes building a sand castle instead and get same amount of credits. So no, to me favors are not worthless, because there are players who are willing to buy them, and for good money.
And no, I didn't get the targ board, precisely because I'm fine with the old board and can better spend the credits elsewhere.
Where? If you show me that the advertised the board as being faster anywhere it is not to my knowledge and would change my point of view on this particular element. But my citation comes from the official devblog advertising the event prizes. I think even the in-game tooltip doesn't mention speed - the only thing which indicated more speed was that the game did say the board hat 65 speed instead of 60 but that was, as Cryptic claims, an error. None of the actual descriptions supported higher speed.
I don't quite get your point. I did sell my favors prior to the event, making tens of millions of EC, which translates to a significant profit which I can spend buying other in-game stuff. It's not some absured virtual price, people were actually buying favors at over 20k EC. So yes, I can grind dilithium for days, or I can spend 3 minutes building a sand castle instead and get same amount of credits. So no, to me favors are not worthless, because there are players who are willing to buy them, and for good money.
And no, I didn't get the targ board, precisely because I'm fine with the old board and can better spend the credits elsewhere.
But the game doesn't assign a value to favours. They are worthless. Other players may be willing to pay EC in order to not spend five minutes of driving a surfboard or whatever, but the favour itself cannot be turned into EC. A critdx4 antiproton beam array has a value of 22-ish thousand ec. Someone might pay 20 million EC for it, but it still has a value of 20 thousand. If someone would be willing to rub my cloven hooves for all the thousands of favours I collected in four days or spank my juicy bacon for it they would be worth a hoofrub or a bacon spanking for me, sure, but that isn't of Cryptic or the games' concern. That's why you cannot ask for compensation of that magnitude.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I'm not asking for any compensation. I haven't even got the board because I found it terribly overpriced in the first place. Even if it was the fastest. I'm just saying - favors are not worthless. Whether the game itself assigns any face value is completely immaterial. Favors are worth whatever other players are willing to pay for them. To say that critdx4 antiproton has a value of 22 thousand EC when people are paying tens of millions of EC for this - no offense, but you have no basic understanding of what value is. Seriously, do study some basic economics.
But the game doesn't assign a value to favours. They are worthless. Other players may be willing to pay EC in order to not spend five minutes of driving a surfboard or whatever, but the favour itself cannot be turned into EC. A critdx4 antiproton beam array has a value of 22-ish thousand ec. Someone might pay 20 million EC for it, but it still has a value of 20 thousand. If someone would be willing to rub my cloven hooves for all the thousands of favours I collected in four days or spank my juicy bacon for it they would be worth a hoofrub or a bacon spanking for me, sure, but that isn't of Cryptic or the games' concern. That's why you cannot ask for compensation of that magnitude.
Items in game and in the real world have an "use value" and an "exchange value" (and a few other values). You claim that asking for a compensation is wrong, because the use value is very low and the exchange value doesnt matter. If you go on with that argument you should never ask for a refund of money. Because its exchange value might be high, but its use value is almost zero too.
I'm asking that STO actually do their homework before an item is put up for sale so that the constant nerfs after the fact become a thing of the past.
Yes, my recreational time has value. Perhaps not to you, but to me. It is not a monetary value, but it is a value none the less. I would prefer to 'spend' my recreational time wisely, and avoid 'wasting' it doing something which is later negated because of the whining of others who knowingly made other choices.
Everyone here saw the stats on the boards, and made a choice. Some chose aesthetics, others ease of control, and others speed. You chose a board based on your values. Then, when one choice began to prove better at 'winning' the race, some chose to demand that we who made the choice based on that one aspect of the game be penalized for that choice.
Let's play a game of cards, and then when I see what you are doing to win, allow me to alter the rules so that you can't do that any more. This is exactly what happened here. How is it fair?
This one really mystified me. The speed and turn rate were listed on the board for everyone to see. The one thing which was not on the info page was the exact amount of drift, which the Targ board still has, which more than compensates for its faster turn: turn hard, slide to the side.
What troubles me is that everyone who complained had the exact same opportunity I had to look over the various boards. I picked the fastest one and paid more for it. Had I been aware a nerf was coming, I'd have saved 500 favors and bought the cheaper one which has the exact same speed with better handling. If there was an even faster board, I'd pay 500 extra for it.
What mystifies me is that you don't get that Both the HOG and Fed board are MEANT to be the same, with the same cost. They are the only 2 1500 boards, yet one is superior. Do you not understand the problem with that?
1500 for this board or that.. again the minnies won..!
Actually it's speed has been increased again to 65 like it was for the nerf..... and the Rom, Fed and KDF faction boards were boosted to 65 along with it. So those complaining about the nerf sort of won....
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Umm bugs include putting in the wrong stats. #facepalm It is not as narrow as your definition.
What troubles me is that everyone who complained had the exact same opportunity I had to look over the various boards. I picked the fastest one and paid more for it. Had I been aware a nerf was coming, I'd have saved 500 favors and bought the cheaper one which has the exact same speed with better handling. If there was an even faster board, I'd pay 500 extra for it.
I am not happy with this situation. I feel as if I have been cheated of the hours it took to earn the extra favors, but I won't demand the Devs 'fix' it to suit my idea of fair because it's pretty obvious they don't understand what the word means. Fair is equality of opportunity, not equality of results. We all had the same opportunity. Some made choices then demanded that those who made other choices be penalized for it. This is demanding equality of results, and it is grossly unfair.
This is a case of bait and switch. Or rather, bait, whine, and switch.
You are right, I thought all superior boards were equal to the faction boards. That a cost difference not really explained easily - however:
It's a cost difference of 500 favours. You grab in bunches for free, the difference is in in 45 minutes (!) of playtime in an event that lasts six weeks or so. Entry point for the activities is zero, since you can rent items for 1000 EC. With rental floaters you can complete the hunt on 3 characters and I got second places on the rental powerboard.
The last poster ranted about this as well - it's not that you paid 25 dollars on this. If any, you "paid" 45 or so minutes of playing summer activities like fly through the hoops and dance in emotes. If everything is such a hard time=cost calculation for you I personally just would stop PLAYING the game. I know that minds may vary on this, but it's really creepy how easily people act like the worst thing ever happened to them was the "nerf" of some computer waveboard with rocket fuel...
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Everyone had the exact same opportunity as I had. Then, those who made a different choice screamed about the benefits I got for the choice I made.
Hoyle's Law: If the rules are the same for everyone and remain the same throughout the game, the game is fair. There was nothing unfair about the Targ board. There's a lot that's unfair about changing the rules after the game has started.
Amen to that. And right in all fairness there is really only a point in getting one board at all even if you have infinite toons. Everybody knows that threw will be a better board around next year anyway so there is no grinding or any poor players vs. rich players or casuals vs. hardcore around
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Fortunatly I noticed the nerf (which I don't mind really) why have 1 board faster then all the others anyway ?
Then I noticed the LL&P board at 1000 favours had the exact same stats as the targ and UFP boards at 1500 favours.
I saved a cool 500 favours and went with the LL&P board.
Think ill buy me another B'kini
Also its a small tribute to Mr Spock.
The least I could do.
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At least I don't have to get it on my other main, although it does look cool!
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Then just get another one. It's not that you are limited to one board. Honestly, all the drama. Yes, the race isn't coded properly (for example, missing prompts or the fact you actually have to drive left or right past the speed boosts and not over them) but we all knew that because STO isn't meant to handle such things. Yes, one board that was clearly better than all others despite there being no reason for it was cut back to be equal but different and it is very likely that the changes don't suit your playstyle any more. But you can just get another board. 1000 or 1500 favours are really not a hurdle that sabotages your whole game experience.
I don't want to come over as disrespectful or hostile, but I really fail to wrap my head around the rage about the summer games which just let you grind for cosmetic items. Now, if people even spent five bucks on the board I could understand it all. But the way it is... no, not really.
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So, what you are saying is that my time has no value, and that I should be content that after the fact rules changes reward players who made fashion choices over mechanical game play ones. After all, all I have to do is spend more time grinding.
Here is the issue: the stats were clearly listed, and people chose based on what they valued. Then, when it was discovered that their choice resulted in inferior results in game play, they screamed for and got a negation in the value of my choice. Further, because the handling characteristics were not brought in line with the other boards, my choice is now mechanically inferior to boards costing 2/3 the price, (and time consumed to acquire it,) of mine, when the only reason I bought the thing is gameplay mechanics. (I don't give a TRIBBLE about the way it looks, and actually think the Targ is quite ugly, but I bought it for gameplay, not appearance.)
Changing the rules after the game has started to reward one player's choices over another is not fair. This is my issue. There is no rage, just disappointment that those who seek equality of outcome no matter the choices they make win yet again.
^^ Well said!
I got another superior board, the other day, simply because I didn't like the color of my old one. And it's not like I actually had to pay for it with RL monies. Heck, I may even get a Targ board, at some point, just because, well, it's a flat Targ, LOL, and that is always wacky fun!
I could even get behind that, if the whole issue wasn't so trivial. I understand the principle and if it was a starship you paid 30 bucks for I would not argue at all. But the sumer event is a fun-time, relaxation event in which you win more or less worthless tokens to unlock cosmetic items for your character which are mostly limited to the summer zone itself. It's a closed system fun activities that have no impact whatsoever on the overall gameplay. And the time invested that was "negated" is literally about one hour (1500 favors = 15 hunts, one hunt takes even with a rental floater 4 minutes tops). You need one hour, probably less if you really play "efficient" to earn the board. Besides when you calculate time and effort the time you touch the keyboard I'd personally say you are missing the purpose of a game, but that's just my opinion and has no bearing on my point.
Additionally to the ingame tooltip, the board was described in the devblog. The devblog is linked in the games' launcher. That devblog never said the board is faster. It said it trades intertia for turnrate. The in-game item did not reflect that, so you could have thought that there is something funny going on. Now, I don't blame "the victim", but it doesn't justify the outrage many players (not you personally) express about that.
I do even agree that something must have gone wrong entirely, as now, after the change, we have the Targ back to equal speed and highe turnrate - but the turnrate is actually so high that it breaks the animation - I cannot bleieve that was what they were going for, so I even agree that looks fishy - but then again, there's nothing of relevance tied to the whole issue and the "new" targ just requires a slight adaptation in the racing technique. Depending on how you play, the turnrate lets you come out first once again easily.
If the critique would be directed at the race itself, that's something I support without question. The mechanics don't work, frankly.
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Your time spent on a game, or surfing for your favorite TRIBBLE, or following some shallow micro-celebrity on Farce-Book has no financial value, regardless of how much an hour you make in your 'day job'.
Nobody is going to pay you for your recreational time. If you don't enjoy your time doing activity X, move on.
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Actually, the advertising for the board reads: "Finally, the new Klingon Targ Hog Superior Mini-Powerboard gives enthusiasts a slightly different experience, with a shorter board, higher turn rate, and lower traction." No word on it being faster.
Only point I can agree with you is that STO got the mindless grind drones to a point they just will go on without double checking or thinking. And demand refunds later. Of literally worthless fun tokens. And if it's "time" they want compensated, see demonicaesthetics posting. (No, this is not referred to you personally).
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The price of favors peaked at 28 thousand EC per piece in mid May. The board costs 1500 favors. That's more than 40 million EC that you could get if instead of buying a board you saved the the favors for next year and sold them before the next year's event started. I wouldn't exactly call that worthless.
Lolwut?! Anyone spending 40 mil on a Targ board deserves to have it nerfed -- to the point of making it slower than everything else even! :P
No, seriously, the Lohlunats favors are extremely easy to come by; 100 for just standing around and dance, alone. So, considering dancing only, 1 Targ board costs you having 15x fun.
Where? If you show me that the advertised the board as being faster anywhere it is not to my knowledge and would change my point of view on this particular element. But my citation comes from the official devblog advertising the event prizes. I think even the in-game tooltip doesn't mention speed - the only thing which indicated more speed was that the game did say the board hat 65 speed instead of 60 but that was, as Cryptic claims, an error. None of the actual descriptions supported higher speed.
Exchange rates are player made. If there are players willing to spend X EC on items they could get for free in five minutes of playtime that's one thing, but those are imaginary prices set by players. The favours itself have no value but to be used to claim summer event prizes which have no value of their own (can't be sold for EC). You can sell the outfits on the exchange, but again, that's a completely random system. You could calculate the price of a swimsuit outfit in phaser banks if you wanted.
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And no, I didn't get the targ board, precisely because I'm fine with the old board and can better spend the credits elsewhere.
If I had my guess, he used the tooltip.
But the game doesn't assign a value to favours. They are worthless. Other players may be willing to pay EC in order to not spend five minutes of driving a surfboard or whatever, but the favour itself cannot be turned into EC. A critdx4 antiproton beam array has a value of 22-ish thousand ec. Someone might pay 20 million EC for it, but it still has a value of 20 thousand. If someone would be willing to rub my cloven hooves for all the thousands of favours I collected in four days or spank my juicy bacon for it they would be worth a hoofrub or a bacon spanking for me, sure, but that isn't of Cryptic or the games' concern. That's why you cannot ask for compensation of that magnitude.
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Items in game and in the real world have an "use value" and an "exchange value" (and a few other values). You claim that asking for a compensation is wrong, because the use value is very low and the exchange value doesnt matter. If you go on with that argument you should never ask for a refund of money. Because its exchange value might be high, but its use value is almost zero too.
I'm asking that STO actually do their homework before an item is put up for sale so that the constant nerfs after the fact become a thing of the past.
Yes, my recreational time has value. Perhaps not to you, but to me. It is not a monetary value, but it is a value none the less. I would prefer to 'spend' my recreational time wisely, and avoid 'wasting' it doing something which is later negated because of the whining of others who knowingly made other choices.
Everyone here saw the stats on the boards, and made a choice. Some chose aesthetics, others ease of control, and others speed. You chose a board based on your values. Then, when one choice began to prove better at 'winning' the race, some chose to demand that we who made the choice based on that one aspect of the game be penalized for that choice.
Let's play a game of cards, and then when I see what you are doing to win, allow me to alter the rules so that you can't do that any more. This is exactly what happened here. How is it fair?
What mystifies me is that you don't get that Both the HOG and Fed board are MEANT to be the same, with the same cost. They are the only 2 1500 boards, yet one is superior. Do you not understand the problem with that?
3 toons on Risa.. over 3 hrs make x amount..
the question is.. herfing after they sold it..?
1500 for this board or that.. again the minnies won..!
Actually it's speed has been increased again to 65 like it was for the nerf..... and the Rom, Fed and KDF faction boards were boosted to 65 along with it. So those complaining about the nerf sort of won....