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I think I know who "The Other" Are
leviathan99
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The Iconian plot has been littered with references to The Other.
We know that there is a Whole made up of the Iconians and the early races created by the Preservers.
- The Other saved "them" before. The implication we drew was the Iconians were the "them" but I think this may be off.
- The new mission has the Iconians describing The Whole as being themselves, their servitors, and The Other.
- Sela is trying to recruit the Dominion.
I think the Other are the Founders and that they are the "favorite children" of the Preservers, made in the Preservers own image. Basically, we have a large scale Lore/Data thing playing out. The Iconians are the prototype. The Founders are the perfected work. Their genetic tech is probably Preserver based. (They also look similar to the Preservers and the same actress played the lead Founder on DS9 that played the Preserver in TNG.)
Basically, the offshoot of that is that the Preservers created all intelligent life in the galaxy but perhaps the Founders were the end result of all of that. They actually are "better" in the eyes of the Preservers and the Iconians want the Founders' approval.
In the end, maybe we find out the Founders have more Preserver knowledge than anyone else and they claim the Iconian tech and Preserver tech as their birthright.
We know that there is a Whole made up of the Iconians and the early races created by the Preservers.
- The Other saved "them" before. The implication we drew was the Iconians were the "them" but I think this may be off.
- The new mission has the Iconians describing The Whole as being themselves, their servitors, and The Other.
- Sela is trying to recruit the Dominion.
I think the Other are the Founders and that they are the "favorite children" of the Preservers, made in the Preservers own image. Basically, we have a large scale Lore/Data thing playing out. The Iconians are the prototype. The Founders are the perfected work. Their genetic tech is probably Preserver based. (They also look similar to the Preservers and the same actress played the lead Founder on DS9 that played the Preserver in TNG.)
Basically, the offshoot of that is that the Preservers created all intelligent life in the galaxy but perhaps the Founders were the end result of all of that. They actually are "better" in the eyes of the Preservers and the Iconians want the Founders' approval.
In the end, maybe we find out the Founders have more Preserver knowledge than anyone else and they claim the Iconian tech and Preserver tech as their birthright.
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Also, I hope you're wrong and that The Other is really the Iotians. 1930's Gangsters are clearly the missing piece of the puzzle.
What you did there, I see it.
Or the Hurq.
Or one of a hundred nameless races that sawned and died out long ago.
In any case, it's a neat story.
Plus while there are superficial similarities between the dominion and preservers...their perspective, methods, and goals are almost completely incompatible. Its hard to see the Founders as favored, when they were nearly as bad as the Iconians during the dominion war.
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I really want an Iotia adventure zone or one based on one of the earth-like planets. (The Bread and Circuses Rome planet or TRIBBLE planet would be interesting as well.)
The question is if they're still gangsters. The original plan for Trials and Tribble-ations, which I believe a comic book played with, was that the Iotians were very influenced by Kirk and crew and decided to drop the gangster motif for them, because of how culturally pliable they were...
... And by the 24th century, became a theme planet based on the 23rd century Federation, where TOS tropes became their new "religion". I think the idea was basically inspired by the idea that a planet Kirk visited became an actual in-universe, planet-wide Star Trek convention.
I'd rather save Iotia as a gangster planet but I'd absolutely love a TOS-themed planet where the architecture is all TOS Enterprise and they take all the details super-literally, having red shirt sacrifices.
Maybe I'm influenced by the Twilight Zone episode "A Small Talent for War" but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmdbNPv2NU
I thought maybe the Iconians were intended to rule over us all by the Preservers and that the Preservers were mainly just disappointed in them for failing to maintain control.
lol, actually I think that's invoking a little starcraft (Iconians = Protos, Founders = Zerg, Preservers = Xel Naga.)
It seems to me (on what little we have to go on) tha the Iconians developed as a civilization first (never mind the Voth) but instead of playing nice with their sibling species they tried to leverage their head start for total control. That's not what the Preservers had in mind, hence the first Iconian war (though it would be VERY interesting to find out just what role the Preservers themselves had in that war.)
I think the key indicator is just what the preservers did when awoken by us non-Iconians. They didn't seem particularly unhappy about the chaotic state of a freely competing, dynamic universe. In fact they did nothing except say "well that's nice." I can't see their interests and the iconians being in line (with the latter merely failing to maintain quota).
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That's a religion I would find attractive.
As to the idea of "the Other" being the Dominion, I find it dubious. The Wormhole Aliens and the Q are older and more advanced than the Dominion.
I'm going to throw this one out there because its just who I'd pick if I were cryptic's lead creative person.
The whale probe builders.
They've got an almost explicit interest in the development of organic life in the galaxy but critically have no preference for humanoids (or any real grasp of how a humanoid civilization might develop. Hence nearly destroying Starfleet.) They might have had some stake in the preserver's original plan but what we might say some "creative differences" in what that might lead to. Hence conflict (particularly if The Builders cared about the future of the galaxy), potentially up to a cold war (with the iconians influenced as proxies, they are less human-like than your typical star trek intelligent alien. That might have made them preferable to support.)
That leaves the events of ST4 as belligerent recon of what else is managing to eak out an existence under the perserver's planned evolution (ie. humanoids.)
And one last thing, the iconians do have a thing about mysterious floating/semi-suspended balls. :P
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1. The Prophets. Superpowerful, capable of living in non-normal space, with wacked out almost mystical tech. Quite possible powerful enough to destroy the Iconians and incredibally ancient.
2. The Q. Pretty much the same as the Prophets, capable of warping space and time to their whim, and able to think pretty much anything into or out of existance.
3. The Borg. We know the Vaadwaur had a thing for going after and destroying the Borg where ever they were, and that the Borg have a almost religion around the Omega Particle, which is pretty much the driving power of the Iconians. While the Borg themselves are probably not the actual Others theymay be the Spiritual successors where whatever started the Borg (like say V'ger) stumbled upon and assimilated Iconian or "Other" tech and incorporated it and is basically using it to drive their assimilation, but over time it moved away from the "pure path".
Oh crud, I think you may be on to something. Think about it guys, in STO, Tribbles have all sorts of mysterious powers they can bestow on those who please them. Lord knows what they are holding back from us.
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Really you need to stop fast forwrding thougb the cut scenes then coming in here and opening your mouth. The Iconians can not do it not because they don't have the tech, they do, but because due to their make up and abilities travelling in time kills them.
Really if you are going to open your mouth, know the backstory or you just look like the dumbest poster in the game.
Not the Prophets. It was the Prophets, iirc, who first mentioned "The Other."
I doubt it's the Q; they seem to be a slightly younger race.
The Borg weren't a thing 200,000 years ago.
I don't think the Other need to have been around 200,000 years ago, since a few of the Iconian client races are a lot younger then that.
I don't think the Borg were pst tense the Other, but whatever created the Borg seem to have gotten tech from somewhere maybe the Iconians, and the Borg are the descendants of them.
But yeah I guess the Prophets are ruled out.
Because the Plot Gods say she does, just like the Plot Gods have dictacted so much stuff in Star Trek.