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As far as i remember you get a T5 ship at 40? and then a new player is supposed to fly it through to lvl 60 now?
All T6 ships costs zen or a lot of fleet modules/marks. With current dil/zen prices getting that 3k zen for a ship would take a looong time. So what new player is supposed to do while passing lvl50?
I ask particulary because my friend is just getting back to STO, he is lvl50 and have mirror patrol escort i think, no money and only handfull of dilithium. What he is suppose to be doing now?
All T6 ships costs zen or a lot of fleet modules/marks. With current dil/zen prices getting that 3k zen for a ship would take a looong time. So what new player is supposed to do while passing lvl50?
I ask particulary because my friend is just getting back to STO, he is lvl50 and have mirror patrol escort i think, no money and only handfull of dilithium. What he is suppose to be doing now?
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Unless he waits for the summer event and grinds a ship, then gets one on the winter event too.
Or...
He could buy a LTS?
But, no. Seriously...
Actually, on the point of progression, I always think about the story for new players. The whole Iconian gateway on new Romulus and Worf opening up the network etc etc. The start of that story opens up as you go through the Romulan rep, so a new player could play the Worf mission before discovering the gateway in t5 rep.
Surely that needs looking at?
So I'd say your friend is supposed to... play the game like any other day. No Zen ship doesn't mean "game over"
First problem: there is no "supposed to". There are many options. No one is " supposed to" do anything.
The mirror ships work fine, I've done pre Nerf advanced queues in a mirror t'varo and have another character flying the level 40 cruiser variant warbird at level 57.
The new upgradeable lockbox ships are also an option: kazon raider, malon cruiser, apu cruiser. All can go to t5u for about 9m credits via the auctionhouse (~1m for the ship, the rest for an upgrade token). They are the least expensive option available all the time.
Including the different giveaway events (usually two a year) and seasonal events (3 a year) there is a free end game ship 5 times a year = almost every two months. The Risa event is coming up soonest.
Assuming he runs just three doff missions per day (turn in contraband, recruit 5 colonists, send off 5 colonists), and the academy lore mission, on only one character, that's 3,000 dilithium which buys 11 zen per day or 330 per month. If you use this for ships, you can get one t6 ship per year. If ten months is too long, you can instead use it to buy keys, sell those and get something like the hazari destroyer or Benthan cruiser in about 5 months.
And that's assuming only three doff missions and no actually other source of income on only one character (realistically he'd need to run the other academy recruiting missions and sell the doffs to buy contraband, so would actually have vastly more income). Using more characters makes it much faster, actually playing the game makes it faster still.
Maxing out all 7 reputations on one character takes 40 days and earns you a minimum of 307,000 dilithium (plus everything you did to earn the marks) which is 1,200 zen.
After you do it on one character, each extra only needs 20 days and earns 280,000 (difference from the fewer daily repeatable missions) which is 1,100 zen.
If he's "getting back" and has any t5 ships from before, he might have one that can be upgraded. Tokens are on the auctionhouse, don't need zen.
Not everyone is caught up in the DPS Speed-Run mentality, not everyone comes on here to melt trashmobs as fast as possible. There are quite a few of us who sit back and enjoy the game, the dialog (retch) and the setting without the unquenchable need for e-peen/DPS.
Also, spending a few bucks here and there cuts down on the massive time-investment needed to grind out Zen/Dilth. Seriously, drop $25-30 and call it an investment. Now you have a ship, maybe a couple lockbox keys to use or sell... or take your surplus Zen and turn it into Dlith for a quick upgrade or two.
Lots of ways to play this game, you can grind, you can DPS/E-Peen, you can play the auction-house... No right or wrong way.
unless you PVP. no one PVps anymore. It's teh same 12 players in an echo-chamber beating the same worn out drum with the same broken drumsticks :P
We did supportet the game back in the days with sub or few zen, but right now it's not a viable option to us to buy anything more than cheapest package for 620zen.
He likes to play auction houses in games so he'll probably try that. So what would you say is the best option for a tac captain to buy from those lockbox+t5u upgrade ships? Preferably an escort or high dmg cruiser. Which would be best for stfs and which for pvp?
It might actually be a good thing to see, especially as a new player. That way they dont get disheartened or whatever thinking that some content is not doable because the best they can ever get is a level 40 ship or a mirror ship and XI or XII gear from the rep or auction house.
There's at least three free top level ships each year. I think they may hit four. It wouldn't be unusual for them to do the Winter/Summer/Anniversary and then add a special 'Event Ship' as well.
Obelisk was a really cool one of those. And there were cruisers from some sort of 'Temporal Ambassador' thing. There were so many 'new top tier' tiers being added at THAT time that I am not sure those were top level. They clearly weren't fleet level, but I'm almost 100% certain they were T 5.
And a recent lock box had a T 5U ship inside. Now on the exchange for under 2 million. If a player can't reach 2 million in a few sessions, they likely aren't very interested in that sort of thing anyway.
Is that true? It would sure give me and my 7 toons hope if it was.
Any idea how long RD takes?
TY in advance for any info:)
It is true that subsequent characters on the same account can take half as long - but what he missed was that your main char needs to create a (reputation) Sponsorship Token (which is a rep project under the bottom (upgrades?) window. You pass it to your alternate characters via the account bank and use the Claim Sponsorship rep task in the upgrades tab. These Tokens cost 100 rep marks each, but represent a massive saving in time and effort for alt characters. Still, for 7 altos, your main would need to grind 700 additional marks for each type of rep - which is easier now than it used to be...
Oooohhh no. I meant the initial 40 days. Is that a good number?
I never bothered to keep track and now that it's sort of crunch time for me, I'm curious.
Like waterboarding.
The daily rep project gives 2500 and you need 100k for tier 5 so 100000/(2500/d)=40d. With the token used you get 5000 per project -> 20d.
And considering the daily marks packages you only need to get a mark type every second day. So maybe 3 reps today and the other 3 tomorrow and then start over.
Yes it is correct. Just keep in mind that omega rep (Borg) is different in that it only gives 8k dilithium at t5, but gives a stack of neural processors.
So if you just want the dilithium, omega is worth ~20k less than the others. You still get 340*40 = 13,600 from the daily. Plus whatever you do to earn the marks. I run the city easy "automated aggression" for 240dil, 20 times = 4,800 for a total of 13,600+4,800+8,000=26,400 dil.
And omega is the lowest payout, all the rest give more.
Patience. There are tons of free ships each year, and the current crop have been t6. There should be a new ship, what, 5 times a year (each season (spring winter etc) and anniversary, and possibly one more in a featured episode or something). There are also box ships that are t6 and some really excellent t5 second place box ships that are cheap in the exchange (the t6s are pricy).
Gear transfers so build up what you have as best as you can while you wait on a free ship. Also, it really does not take THAT long to farm credits to buy a ship. I have bought many, many ships at 80-100 million a pop. 3-4 months of "not farming" and I find myself with about enough to buy a ship just sitting in my account from selling vendor trash over a period of time. A dedicated farmer could earn the money faster, or you could play the exchange (that gets old fast) or something... but just playing will do it after a while.