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Spoiling the ambience?

suzanna3suzanna3 Member Posts: 81 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So...the recent space sector revamp looks cool...........Do we really want starship emoticons like "thumbs up," thumbs down", "rock. paper. scissors " etc., floating above ships? It would in my view spoil the ambience and make it look rather cartoon-like, whats next... "starship shuffle?" :confused:

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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    suzanna3 wrote: »
    So...the recent space sector revamp looks cool...........Do we really want starship emoticons like "thumbs up," thumbs down", "rock. paper. scissors " etc., floating above ships? It would in my view spoil the ambience and make it look rather cartoon-like, whats next... "starship shuffle?" :confused:

    More like the jumping of the shark
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    "We" do not mind, and since we are the Borg it is all good. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    suzanna3 wrote: »
    So...the recent space sector revamp looks cool...........Do we really want starship emoticons like "thumbs up," thumbs down", "rock. paper. scissors " etc., floating above ships? It would in my view spoil the ambience and make it look rather cartoon-like, whats next... "starship shuffle?" :confused:

    I am with you 100% on this. If it were a Facecrook game sure but Star Trek Online Hell No! I hope we can blank out seeing them.
  • allyoftheforceallyoftheforce Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Indeed, the main page is already at nearly 70 pages of hate toward this. Dumbest idea I've seen this year.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    allyoftheforce wrote: »
    Indeed, the main page is already at nearly 70 pages of hate toward this. Dumbest idea I've seen this year.
    I am reasonable certain most of the hate is not about the emoji, but the removal of Pearls. :)

    Beyond that the game has had fireworks and Disco Balls and other things for years - which apparently always ruins the ambiance for someone. In the end STO is just a game, not real life.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I am reasonable certain most of the hate is not about the emoji, but the removal of Pearls. :)

    Think it's probably...

    1) Removal of ships.
    2) Removal of Pearls.
    3) Addition of ship emotes.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    virusdancer wrote: »
    Think it's probably...

    1) Removal of ships.
    2) Removal of Pearls.
    3) Addition of ship emotes.
    I see the ships and the Pearls as being the same issue. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    suzanna3 wrote: »
    So...the recent space sector revamp looks cool...........Do we really want starship emoticons like "thumbs up," thumbs down", "rock. paper. scissors " etc., floating above ships? It would in my view spoil the ambience and make it look rather cartoon-like, whats next... "starship shuffle?" :confused:

    Aren't you over reacting a bit? It's just some holographic symbols, how does that mean there are going to be dancing starship emotes? that's like assuming that because there are festive party cannons on ground that there will be a space set of confetti based energy weapons.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I see the ships and the Pearls as being the same issue.

    You could remove the Pearls without removing the ships though. The Pearls thing just affects those that stockpiled. The ships thing affects all characters present and future that a player may have wanted to get those ships on - as well as any set bonuses they may have wanted.

    As for the emotes....
    dpglerch wrote: »
    Same if they are going to do this (I know its already done in this patch) give us the option to block it

    ...aye, not having to see them would be a good thing, imho.
  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Party poppers and disco balls don't really bother me, so I doubt these starship emotes will.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,005 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I actually think those emotes could be fun. I would be with you if this would be some kind of semi-serious Star Trek game, but it's STO. That's not much more than a social network farmgame, so there's not much damage to be done.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Disco balls, fireworks, party poppers, balloon ships, snowman/gingerbreadman pets, bikini clad orions and gorn...

    If anything, this will be the least annoying addition to the game.
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  • drakethewhitedrakethewhite Member Posts: 1,240 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    suzanna3 wrote: »
    So...the recent space sector revamp looks cool...........Do we really want starship emoticons like "thumbs up," thumbs down", "rock. paper. scissors " etc., floating above ships? It would in my view spoil the ambience and make it look rather cartoon-like, whats next... "starship shuffle?" :confused:

    The look on my wife's face when I told her about this was rather priceless. Cartoon happy hour indeed. Needless to say, I'll be spending my Pearls on other things.


    We already have a huge amount of graphic noise in this game.I'd rather have audio emotes for starships myself (assuming I could disable it), I think starship 'chatter' is more useful than graphic noise and more suited to Star Trek.

    But seriously, we need options to disable some of this stuff.
  • kaarruukaarruu Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I find it a bit disturbing that someone at Cryptic, supposedly a professional game developer, thought this would be a good idea and somehow helpful to communication between players. I find it a lot more disturbing that someone higher up in the food chain greenlighted the idea to go live.

    Visuals are getting increasingly obnoxious. First the Mario stars popping up above hangar pets, then the green swirly stuff from the new rep trait... holographic handsigns above ships are about the last thing the game needs. Oh, wait. There IS one handsign I'd like to make over this idea.

    A "Disable Visuals" switch would be very welcome on many things, from certain traits to fleet shields to some of the visual "noise" showing up lately.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Sure, it seems a bit silly. But it doesn't really bother me. Similar to how I can't understand people claiming "immersion" in an MMO (what with all the crazy chat stuff, numbers & labels everywhere, and silly names & behavior of other players), I'm not sure how this could make the "ambiance" any worse/different than it already is.

    induperator wrote: »
    a space set of confetti based energy weapons.


    ...is it wrong that I kinda want those now? :P
  • amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    You know, on reflection I actually don't care too much about these emotes. It would be very welcome if I could simply turn them off, of course. But even so, I don't expect to see them much out in sector space post-revamp--space is BIG. Don't really care about system space either; Earth orbit is always a visual and aural cacophony of special effects.

    Only place I can really see this being annoying is queues, RAs and any other pugging in general. But there's a cooldown on them, and honestly I don't know that a floating holographic emoji is going to be any more distracting or immersion-breaking than the silly colored icons that you can't get rid of whenever you activate certain skills--and you've got dozens of those going off every minute.
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  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,414 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    This game is rated T for Teen. Perhaps the concept designer responsible for turning STO into a comic book universe of emote spam should differentiate children from teens, and the fact that people of all ages enjoy Star Trek and STO (despite that rating). I discovered Star Trek back in Grade 3 watching TNG in a foreign language I was barely getting acquainted with, despite the content well above a child's understanding, the fights, action sequences, and settings made it captivating.

    There's already an absurd amount of eye candy special effects that make even Fantasy genres jealous. Even the KDF & ROMs don't get a break from this color & effect onslaught from all the constant abilities of NPC & PC ships on both space and ground flashing continuously covering every pixel of the screen, and there's only more of it added on and piling up to no end.

    Star Trek is Science Fiction, not Fantasy. If I wanted Fantasy, I'd be playing an MMO more like Guild Wars 2, or Elder Scrolls Online, both of which I have played before and may do so again, but that's to show I do also like or at best tolerate fantasy yet STO gives no break from it or even tries to stand apart.

    I'd like an option that selectively hides such special effects that have no real informative value and are excessive well beyond what something much more subtle could convey. That way, people who enjoy it can keep it all and more, while those who don't like a constantly flashing and shaking screen full of color spam can also be happy.

    The starship emotes fall in that same category.
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  • fruitvendor12fruitvendor12 Member Posts: 615 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So I suppose starship dancing will be this year's Risa competition. "Raise the roof, err bridge!"

    It's no worse than ship fireworks or latinum space holograms. (I would have used the heck out of the latter if they'd been reasonably priced as a consumable)

    I stockpiled pearls last year so I'd have more time to focus on events and fun things. I'm told now I'm having my stockpile (ahem, hours of time) cashed so I'll have more time to focus on events and fun things and all my DR alts won't have their feelings hurt.

    I recognize it is a done deal. But it's another reason why I haven't bothered with buying zen ships anymore. I don't trust my virtual shinies will be there a few years from now. The DR pack was my last major expense and I don't feel what I've seen since is an incentive. Pretty sure I am what a lot of captains call a "whale" because I have money but little time and I'm happy to spend the money to keep more time. This whale is down to beluga size.

    This is starting to feel like the slow motion car crash that was SWG and EQx.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    STO is a game, and in games people like to have fun in different ways.

    Some people like to play paper dolls with all their uniforms and bodies. As a serious Trek fan I am offended by half the uniforms and species I see in the game, but it is a game.

    Some people like to use alien ships. As a serious Trek fan I am offended by half the ships I see in the game, but is is a game.

    Some people like to role-play and make big in-character speeches in Chat, or emote, or dance. As a serious Trek fan I am offended, but it is a game.

    Some people like to like to hyper-analyze their builds and squeak every bit of DPS they can get just to feel cool and brag about it. As a serious Trek fan I am offended, but it is a game.

    Some people like to run around with dogs, cats, or monkeys, etc following them. As a serious Trek fan I am offended, but it is a game.

    At the end of the day STO is a game which need to appeal to a lot of different people with a lot of different interests. IDIC is what Trek fans seem to lack. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Meh, some people will spam the emotes at first just for laughs (and the more you whiners whine about them, the longer said laughs will last) and then the whole feature will be forgotten.
  • fiberteksyfirfiberteksyfir Member Posts: 1,207 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    I am reasonable certain most of the hate is not about the emoji, but the removal of Pearls. :)

    Beyond that the game has had fireworks and Disco Balls and other things for years - which apparently always ruins the ambiance for someone. In the end STO is just a game, not real life.

    Youve been around for a while, lets not forget people that were pissed about getting hit with snowballs :)
  • fruitvendor12fruitvendor12 Member Posts: 615 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    fiberteksyfir wrote: »
    Youve been around for a while, lets not forget people that were pissed about getting hit with snowballs :)
    Because snowballs were being used as a griefer, oh I'm sorry I meant PvP, tactic to stop people from grinding for breen ships.

    PvP and PvE never mix, because otherwise what a lot of people want to call PvP is actually griefing.

    For every "noble PvP player dedicated to excellence in build and tactic" there are literally thousands of broken people who just want to force their lack of self-esteem on a player less able to defend themselves.
  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    alcyoneserene wrote: »
    Star Trek is Science Fiction, not Fantasy.

    Hmm, I wonder. Is it really sci-fi, or does it fall into the science-fantasy category, what with all the magical tech, weird anomalies, and super-powered alien forces?



    ...and there's been plenty of eye-candy in the shows & movies for decades. Not even counting the lens flare.

    /shrug
  • kozar2kozar2 Member Posts: 602 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    100% agreed. They look horrible. But trolls will love them. And Cryptic loves to feed them.
  • fruitvendor12fruitvendor12 Member Posts: 615 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    kiralyn wrote: »
    Hmm, I wonder. Is it really sci-fi, or does it fall into the science-fantasy category, what with all the magical tech, weird anomalies, and super-powered alien forces?
    ST is very much fantasy - it was wild west fantasy initially, with antimatter instead of oxen.

    Hard scifi is not a profitable TV/movie experience for most people. Even in hard scifi writing the author made the story about interpersonal conflict. ST has come close to being very soft scifi a few times.

    Hint: when "technobabble" is an official tool used by writers you know it may as well be midichlorians, mana, and If You Wish Hard Enough (Green Lantern, Tinkerbell, most libertarians).
  • centaurianalphacentaurianalpha Member Posts: 1,150 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The space emotes are laughable, at best. The players who use them will likely be the same people who put 24" wheels on a car designed for 15", or lower an SUV nearly to the ground, so they can drag the bumper every time they pull into the driveway, and have a thumper sound system so loud it sets off car alarms in the next county...:rolleyes:
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