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Romulan Grand Admiral instead of Fleet Admiral

gbw2318gbw2318 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
edited May 2015 in Romulan Discussion
Am I the only one who thinks the rank Grand Admiral seems more appropriate for the Romulans than Fleet Admiral? It was used historically by the continental Europeans, and it just sounds more Romulan than Fleet Admiral. It also helps distinguish them more from the Federation.
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  • jake477jake477 Member Posts: 529 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Plus it sounds more Roman which is what the Romulans were based upon.
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Here are some sample, of their rank structure.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=romulan+imperial+ranks&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS614US614&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=O1FRVbSPCIGZgwSv44DIAw&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=721#imgrc=40svBFIt_59g_M%253A%3BHHC3ANmtim75sM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwiki.maquis.com%252Fimages%252F7%252F7a%252FRomulan_Rank_Update.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwiki.maquis.com%252Fw%252FRomulan_Legions%252Finfo%3B510%3B692

    https://www.google.com/search?q=romulan+imperial+ranks&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS614US614&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=MVJRVaDuG8ucNtPNgYAL&ved=0CDkQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=721#imgdii=9ilU5x9Z4uNedM%3A%3B9ilU5x9Z4uNedM%3A%3Bp7ZWYfO9GCcbTM%3A&imgrc=9ilU5x9Z4uNedM%253A%3BSIXKYjN5pM0UUM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.orionpressfanzines.com%252Fsitegraphics%252Farticles%252Fromulan_sashes.JPG%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.orionpressfanzines.com%252Funiforms%252Fromulan_uniforms.htm%3B1950%3B1898

    This is the system I use myself VVVVV

    http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Romulan_ranks

    Including the ranks of colonel and major, due to the Tal Shiar name.

    Except, I use the ranks of colonel and major, to fill in between commander & admiral.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    gbw2318 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks the rank Grand Admiral seems more appropriate for the Romulans than Fleet Admiral? It was used historically by the continental Europeans, and it just sounds more Romulan than Fleet Admiral. It also helps distinguish them more from the Federation.

    Romulan language resources have "galae'Enriov" as the name of that rank. It quite literally means "Fleet Admiral" (galae = fleet; Enriov = Senior Commander, the Rihan word for "Admiral").
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Only if your character name is Thrawn.
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  • tolmariustolmarius Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Only if your character name is Thrawn.

    As a fan of Timothy Zahn, I am in favor of this. :P
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I think there are a lot of different ways they could've set up the Romulan ranks. But they just copy-pasted the top Fed ranks for the most part.

    I'd like to see either the ranks either represented in the Rihan language, or just change 'em to be more distinct from the Feds somehow.
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    edited May 2015
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    From the Tal'Diann web-embassy:
    ... our rank system is limited by the game mechanics: currently, only seven fleet ranks are available due to the coding of the game. Without those limitations, our ranks would be more like the following:

    erei'Erein / Subensign (Midshipman)
    Erein / Ensign (Ensign)
    khre'Erein / Ensign-General (Lieutenant, Junior Grade)
    erei'Arrain / Subcenturion (Lieutenant)
    Arrain / Centurion (Lieutenant Commander)
    Enarrain / Senior Centurion (no equivalent)
    khre'Enarrain / Senior Centurion-General (no equivalent)
    erei'Riov / Subcommander (Commander)
    Riov / Commander (Captain, Fleet Captain)
    khre'Riov / Commander-General (Commodore)
    erei'Enriov / Sub-Senior Commander (Rear Admiral)
    Enriov / Senior Commander (Vice Admiral)
    khre'Enriov / Senior Commander-General (Admiral)
    galae'Enriov / Fleet Senior Commander (Fleet Admiral)
  • seannewboyseannewboy Member Posts: 667 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    i support protogoth's idea.
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  • trygvar13trygvar13 Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    It would be nice inded. I stopped playing my KDF aligned Romulans because of that. It sounds a little too Federation for my taste. :)
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    seannewboy wrote: »
    i support protogoth's idea.

    It'd be pretty quality to have those ranks in game :D
  • revanindustriesrevanindustries Member Posts: 508 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Only if your character name is Thrawn.

    But it was so . . . artistically done.
    tolmarius wrote: »
    As a fan of Timothy Zahn, I am in favor of this. :P

    Always good to see fans of Zahn, even among those who fight on the wrong side of the Romulan Civil War :P

    Honestly, while I would love the Grand Admiral rank, the Romulan Republic is more akin to the Rebellion/New Republic than the Empire, so it really wouldn't fit as well IMO.
  • tolmariustolmarius Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    revanindustries wrote: »
    But it was so . . . artistically done.



    Always good to see fans of Zahn, even among those who fight on the wrong side of the Romulan Civil War :P

    Honestly, while I would love the Grand Admiral rank, the Romulan Republic is more akin to the Rebellion/New Republic than the Empire, so it really wouldn't fit as well IMO.

    I'm on the wrong side? Hmm...I hope I'm always this wrong. :D
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    tolmarius wrote: »
    I'm on the wrong side? Hmm...I hope I'm always this wrong. :D

    I'll drink some ale to that. I hear Virinat's got some gre-... oh right, burnt to the ground. By the RSE / Tal'Shiar, no doubt.

    Yep, we're on the right side.

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  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I support replacing "Fleet Admiral" with "Grand Admiral", or "Grand Marshal". Wasn't Tebok one of those in the novels?
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    davidwford wrote: »
    I support replacing "Fleet Admiral" with "Grand Admiral", or "Grand Marshal". Wasn't Tebok one of those in the novels?

    "Marshal," "Field Marshal," "Grand Marshal" are all terms used by ground forces.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    "Marshal," "Field Marshal," "Grand Marshal" are all terms used by ground forces.

    I am aware of that, however, is not a Grand Marshal often the supreme commander of all military forces (land, sea, and air)?
  • feiqafeiqa Member Posts: 2,410 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Only if your character name is Thrawn.

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  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Anything that brings both the Romulans and KDF into a more unique faction is supported by me. Even if it's just a rank naming structure.

    Next step is to get rid of the Federation cross-faction missions and give both factions all new unique missions to set the factions apart.
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  • megatronis1megatronis1 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    majesticmsfc wrote: »
    Anything that brings both the Romulans and KDF into a more unique faction is supported by me. Even if it's just a rank naming structure.

    Next step is to get rid of the Federation cross-faction missions and give both factions all new unique missions to set the factions apart.



    I Don't want to burst your bubble, but as nice as it would be I don't see cryptic committing the manpower to that (mission revisions) especially since they got some people layed off several months back.


    Ranking systems probably wouldn't be as hard to change.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    davidwford wrote: »
    I am aware of that, however, is not a Grand Marshal often the supreme commander of all military forces (land, sea, and air)?

    I believe for the Romulans, that they use praetor, for this head position.

    Other links associated with praetor.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/473655/praetor

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/praetor

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/praetor

    http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor

    It would also appear, that Donatra was killed according to memory-alpha, after she allegedly became empress.
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    shadowwraith77 wrote: »
    I believe for the Romulans, that they use praetor, for this head position.

    Other links associated with praetor.

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/473655/praetor

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/praetor

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/praetor

    http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Praetor

    It would also appear, that Donatra was killed according to memory-alpha, after she allegedly became empress.

    No. Praetor is a title in the civilian government, although the Tal'Shiar and the Tal'Diann have also used it to refer to the heads of their respective organizations. At various times, "Praetor" has been applied to whomever was in charge of the government.

    Ranks:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120103230052/http://rihannsu.theari.com/csdr_ranks.php
    As you can clearly see, "galae'Enriov" is the name of the office, and that translates literally to "fleet Senior Commander" (Enriov = Senior Commander, equivalent to Starfleet "Admiral").

    And Donatra was killed in the Typhon Pact books. It's not canon.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    protogoth wrote: »
    No. Praetor is a title in the civilian government, although the Tal'Shiar and the Tal'Diann have also used it to refer to the heads of their respective organizations. At various times, "Praetor" has been applied to whomever was in charge of the government.

    Ranks:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20120103230052/http://rihannsu.theari.com/csdr_ranks.php
    As you can clearly see, "galae'Enriov" is the name of the office, and that translates literally to "fleet Senior Commander" (Enriov = Senior Commander, equivalent to Starfleet "Admiral").

    And Donatra was killed in the Typhon Pact books. It's not canon.

    I highlighted a couple sections, as even the Praetor, can assume control of the fleet!

    Praetor

    Neral, 2375

    Praetor Neral

    Hiren

    Praetor Hiren

    Shinzon

    Praetor Shinzon

    Praetor was a title given to a political and military administrator. The term holds historic usage on Earth, during the period of the Roman Empire, as well as usage within the Romulan Empire.

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    History Edit

    The title of praetor was present on the planet 892-IV as evidenced by the Praetorian Guards. (TOS: "Bread and Circuses")

    The leader of the Romulan Star Empire was referred to as Praetor. (TOS: "Balance of Terror")

    The Praetor presided over the Romulan Senate and the Continuing Committee. (Star Trek Nemesis)

    One Praetor, Colius, was honored by having an award, the Praetor Colius Award, named after him. (DS9: "In the Pale Moonlight")

    The Praetor's source of power has always been the Romulan fleet. In 2266, the Praetor sent his flagship across the Romulan Neutral Zone in an unprovoked attack on several border outposts. Decius, an officer aboard the Romulan vessel, sent the Praetor a message to update him on their mission. However this broke the communication silence the ship was running under and he was reduced in rank as punishment. (TOS: "Balance of Terror")

    In 2374, Neral, a former Proconsul, became Praetor. (DS9: "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges")

    Later, Hiren ascended to the position, which he held until 2379, when Shinzon, a Human raised as a Reman, had the entire Romulan Senate killed and assumed leadership of the Star Empire. However, he was killed the same year after his plan to annihilate Earth was uncovered. (Star Trek Nemesis)
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  • tmassxtmassx Member Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    No matter how the name of your rank , as well as during the story many of the orders are given by a lower Cmdr. Ranks are longer time out of control (it will end with captain) , just as any effort to balance the rules and abilities.

    Anyway protogoth's ​​proposal sounds best, my character is known in RR as senior commander, not as fleet admiral.
  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    tmassx wrote: »
    No matter how the name of your rank , as well as during the story many of the orders are given by a lower Cmdr. Ranks are longer time out of control (it will end with captain) , just as any effort to balance the rules and abilities.

    Anyway protogoth's ​​proposal sounds best, my character is known in RR as senior commander, not as fleet admiral.

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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Considering the history of the title Praetor (Shinzon, Taris, Sela), it's highly doubtful the RR would use that title.

    Germany no longer uses the title of F
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    darkjeff wrote: »
    Considering the history of the title Praetor (Shinzon, Taris, Sela), it's highly doubtful the RR would use that title.

    Germany no longer uses the title of F
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    revanindustries wrote: »
    But it was so . . . artistically done.
    *cries*

    It was. *sniff*
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  • protogothprotogoth Member Posts: 2,369 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    darkjeff wrote: »
    Considering the history of the title Praetor (Shinzon, Taris, Sela), it's highly doubtful the RR would use that title.

    Germany no longer uses the title of F
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    > @davidwford said:
    > protogoth wrote: »
    >
    > "Marshal," "Field Marshal," "Grand Marshal" are all terms used by ground forces.
    >
    > I am aware of that, however, is not a Grand Marshal often the supreme commander of all military forces (land, sea, and air)?

    Grand Marshal? Is there going to be a parade on New Romulus? ;)
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