Standard patrol escort is a non-upgradable t5, and a bit fragile, the c-store refit is upgradable and comes with a built in tail cannon and the nadion bomber console, the fleet patrol refit however gets an excta console slot and better armour that the c-store, but loses the fancy console.
Recomendation is if you can afford it, get the c-store (2500 z), then get the fleet (+500 z), then upgrade the fleet (700 z), and stick the console in the extra slot.
Chimera is a good choice, if you can get it, never mind the larger crew, it's the better armour you're after.
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It boggles my mind why anyone would choose a T5 over a T6...
Much better buys would be the Phantom (intel escort) or the Icarus (pilot escort). They would both be 3k Zen, then 500 Zen for a Fleet upgrade, a savings of 200 Zen. And you get so much more: ship traits, an additional mechanic (gather intel, double tap maneuvers), excellent layouts, access to specialist boff powers, 11 consoles too.
It boggles my mind why anyone would choose a T5 over a T6...
Much better buys would be the Phantom (intel escort) or the Icarus (pilot escort). They would both be 3k Zen, then 500 Zen for a Fleet upgrade, a savings of 200 Zen. And you get so much more: ship traits, an additional mechanic (gather intel, double tap maneuvers), excellent layouts, access to specialist boff powers, 11 consoles too.
There's literally no downside.
Other than it looking like crud... Depends what boffs/powers he's using, and do they fit into the phantoms bridge layout, I guess.
Hmm checked the wiki, fleet patrol refit has more armour than the phantom t6, and a bigger bonus to weapon power, and different weapon layout 4/4(one used for the aft dual cannon) as opposed to 4/3.
Maybe the fleet phantom makes up for that, wiki has no stats for it, and I'm not ingame near a shipyard at time of posting.
Pays your money, takes your choice.
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The traits are portable, though, and fleet T5U's also have 11 consoles. So the only differences that cannot be overcome are the extra mechanics, access to specialization powers, and one additional BOFF power overall in the layout.... none of which are necessarily dealbreakers for every player.
(Also, the base Phantom actually only has 10 consoles. For the 11th console, you also need a fleet module.)
Also, since both fleet modules and upgrade tokens can be bought for EC, a FT5U ship can cost as little as 2000 Zen (even when not on sale as they currently are), which is actually cheaper than the T6's.
Plus, there are T5 ships that do not (yet) have a close T6 analog.
Okay, so you buy a T6 ship for the trait and port it over to a T5 ship, that's pretty expensive...
Regardless of how you get the ship, T6 will always be cheaper. 5 FSMs for fleet T6 with 11 consoles. 4 FSMs and an upgrade token for a FT5U. T5 is flatly more expensive for less overall benefits.
I haven't looked at ec prices of FSMs and upgrade tokens recently, but I'd guess that a T5U will always cost more overall.
Have to agree with fatman here...If you are in the process of buying a new ship, no T5 is an actual option if you want to get the best for your money.
If you're going for a particular style, then yes...with the available upgrades a T5U is just fine, but you could have gotten a better ship (stat wise) for the same amount of ZEN. Also, most T5 will become free givaways eventually, so buying them NOW is a waste of resources imho.
^This. Eventually they will release your favorite ship at T6. I suggest patience if you're buying just for looks alone.
In terms of performance, there are few T5 ships that still outclass T6. Scimitar, Vesta, and the FPER all come to mind. But even then, many of these ships are best played with T6 traits.
^This. Eventually they will release your favorite ship at T6. I suggest patience if you're buying just for looks alone.
In terms of performance, there are few T5 ships that still outclass T6. Scimitar, Vesta, and the FPER all come to mind. But even then, many of these ships are best played with T6 traits.
So, spend some time flying the various T6's they give away every so often to get the T6 traits, then fly an FPER...
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Standard patrol escort is a non-upgradable t5, and a bit fragile, the c-store refit is upgradable and comes with a built in tail cannon and the nadion bomber console, the fleet patrol refit however gets an excta console slot and better armour that the c-store, but loses the fancy console.
Recomendation is if you can afford it, get the c-store (2500 z), then get the fleet (+500 z), then upgrade the fleet (700 z), and stick the console in the extra slot.
Chimera is a good choice, if you can get it, never mind the larger crew, it's the better armour you're after.
Awesome signature! I was using it for awhile too.
On the ships- I used the Non-fleet Chimera for a long while and got chased by torps all the time. Sometimes my rear shield was all but down before I could rotate it.... That tail cannon makes the FPEU surprisingly tough when you consider how many torpedoes get intercepted...... The Cdr and LCdr Tactical station combo provide for serious tactical choices. The 4/4 weapons bring it up to near cruiser capabilities as well......
Going T6 escort brought back that rear shield problem until I crafted up the 360 antiproton array and dropped it next to the cutting beam. Even them it was only a partial solution since it was not the dedicated weapon I gave up. 3/4 on the weapons and I feel the fire power difference...... I am still working on the Intel grind up for utilizing the slots, so I am out on what that will do for me.......
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As a returning player from ages past (stopped playing in 2011 or so I think) and trying to figure out what, if anything I should do with my Tact. Adm. I am very happy to have read this thread. Special thanks to Fatman and Baudi for valuable insights re: cost of T5U vs T6.
And just noticed after posting this my join date is....interesting...considering I was in beta.
If you want a great escort seriously just go for the Fleet Phantom or the pilot ones. They are top of the line at the moment, max consoles, max boff stations.
You might not like the look but that's your choice, you could be waiting a long long time for a T6 MVAM for example.
Hell I have a Manasa from a lockbox and I really don't rate it as highly as the Phantom despite is being a very formidable escort. The trait is worth it but the rest of it...well the Phantom does it all better.
I believe however the FT5-U Patrol Escort still holds the fed side DPS record though, so it "can" be highly effective if you learn to use it well.
It boggles my mind why anyone would choose a T5 over a T6...
Much better buys would be the Phantom (intel escort) or the Icarus (pilot escort). They would both be 3k Zen, then 500 Zen for a Fleet upgrade, a savings of 200 Zen. And you get so much more: ship traits, an additional mechanic (gather intel, double tap maneuvers), excellent layouts, access to specialist boff powers, 11 consoles too.
There's literally no downside.
I use the fleet upgraded tempest T5u. It is a nasty beast and is a bug killer. also have taken out pilot ships and I have no prob with the Harald. Its a beast and while I love my t6s I always come back to my dear Saratoga
It boggles my mind why anyone would choose a T5 over a T6...
Much better buys would be the Phantom (intel escort) or the Icarus (pilot escort). They would both be 3k Zen, then 500 Zen for a Fleet upgrade, a savings of 200 Zen. And you get so much more: ship traits, an additional mechanic (gather intel, double tap maneuvers), excellent layouts, access to specialist boff powers, 11 consoles too.
There's literally no downside.
Besides the trait and maybe a little armour, t5fu is just as good. I intentionally put my delta recruit in a t5fu avenger and she plays it like a fiddle.. 25k dps so far and only two of the five dbbs are mk xiv with only a few consoles popped to mk xiv as well.. T6 is not so much of an upgrade that its gamebreaking not to have one (disclaimer:i do have t6 options i chose not to use them because the avenger is much more fun for now)
I'm not saying that T5U aren't usable or great end game ships. I just feel that T6 offers a much better value as a purchase (total ship purchase, not upgrading an existing ship). I occasionally bring my Mobius and FPER out of mothball. Both those ships are vastly improved by T6 ship traits.
I don't know, a 13th boff power, especially at Lt.Cmdr, is more than enough reason for me to want to run a T6 ship.
In terms of performance, there are few T5 ships that still outclass T6. Scimitar, Vesta, and the FPER all come to mind. But even then, many of these ships are best played with T6 traits.
That's the fun thing a lot of the Pro-T5U guys try not to mention. Those T5 ships are being flown with T6 Starship Traits. How many of the high end Fed-builds do you think have the T6 Phantom's "Reciprocity" trait equipped? What about "All Hands on Deck" from the T6 Command FDC?
The starship traits coming from free/event T6 ships aren't all that good. Some are okay. But not "Reciprocity" or "All Hands on Deck" kind of good. You had to buy those T6 ships for that. Some of the Specialization Traits for Starship Traits are pretty good. But again, not "Reciprocity" or "All Hands on Deck" kind of good. And again, you had to go T6 ship buying for that.
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Recomendation is if you can afford it, get the c-store (2500 z), then get the fleet (+500 z), then upgrade the fleet (700 z), and stick the console in the extra slot.
Chimera is a good choice, if you can get it, never mind the larger crew, it's the better armour you're after.
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Much better buys would be the Phantom (intel escort) or the Icarus (pilot escort). They would both be 3k Zen, then 500 Zen for a Fleet upgrade, a savings of 200 Zen. And you get so much more: ship traits, an additional mechanic (gather intel, double tap maneuvers), excellent layouts, access to specialist boff powers, 11 consoles too.
There's literally no downside.
Other than it looking like crud... Depends what boffs/powers he's using, and do they fit into the phantoms bridge layout, I guess.
Hmm checked the wiki, fleet patrol refit has more armour than the phantom t6, and a bigger bonus to weapon power, and different weapon layout 4/4(one used for the aft dual cannon) as opposed to 4/3.
Maybe the fleet phantom makes up for that, wiki has no stats for it, and I'm not ingame near a shipyard at time of posting.
Pays your money, takes your choice.
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Okay, so you buy a T6 ship for the trait and port it over to a T5 ship, that's pretty expensive...
Regardless of how you get the ship, T6 will always be cheaper. 5 FSMs for fleet T6 with 11 consoles. 4 FSMs and an upgrade token for a FT5U. T5 is flatly more expensive for less overall benefits.
I haven't looked at ec prices of FSMs and upgrade tokens recently, but I'd guess that a T5U will always cost more overall.
If you're going for a particular style, then yes...with the available upgrades a T5U is just fine, but you could have gotten a better ship (stat wise) for the same amount of ZEN. Also, most T5 will become free givaways eventually, so buying them NOW is a waste of resources imho.
In terms of performance, there are few T5 ships that still outclass T6. Scimitar, Vesta, and the FPER all come to mind. But even then, many of these ships are best played with T6 traits.
So, spend some time flying the various T6's they give away every so often to get the T6 traits, then fly an FPER...
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If you so desire, but those free traits are useless. You could fly anything really. My point is that T6 is simply a better buy when compared to FT5U.
Awesome signature! I was using it for awhile too.
On the ships- I used the Non-fleet Chimera for a long while and got chased by torps all the time. Sometimes my rear shield was all but down before I could rotate it.... That tail cannon makes the FPEU surprisingly tough when you consider how many torpedoes get intercepted...... The Cdr and LCdr Tactical station combo provide for serious tactical choices. The 4/4 weapons bring it up to near cruiser capabilities as well......
Going T6 escort brought back that rear shield problem until I crafted up the 360 antiproton array and dropped it next to the cutting beam. Even them it was only a partial solution since it was not the dedicated weapon I gave up. 3/4 on the weapons and I feel the fire power difference...... I am still working on the Intel grind up for utilizing the slots, so I am out on what that will do for me.......
And just noticed after posting this my join date is....interesting...considering I was in beta.
You might not like the look but that's your choice, you could be waiting a long long time for a T6 MVAM for example.
Hell I have a Manasa from a lockbox and I really don't rate it as highly as the Phantom despite is being a very formidable escort. The trait is worth it but the rest of it...well the Phantom does it all better.
I believe however the FT5-U Patrol Escort still holds the fed side DPS record though, so it "can" be highly effective if you learn to use it well.
I use the fleet upgraded tempest T5u. It is a nasty beast and is a bug killer. also have taken out pilot ships and I have no prob with the Harald. Its a beast and while I love my t6s I always come back to my dear Saratoga
Besides the trait and maybe a little armour, t5fu is just as good. I intentionally put my delta recruit in a t5fu avenger and she plays it like a fiddle.. 25k dps so far and only two of the five dbbs are mk xiv with only a few consoles popped to mk xiv as well.. T6 is not so much of an upgrade that its gamebreaking not to have one (disclaimer:i do have t6 options i chose not to use them because the avenger is much more fun for now)
I don't know, a 13th boff power, especially at Lt.Cmdr, is more than enough reason for me to want to run a T6 ship.
That's the fun thing a lot of the Pro-T5U guys try not to mention. Those T5 ships are being flown with T6 Starship Traits. How many of the high end Fed-builds do you think have the T6 Phantom's "Reciprocity" trait equipped? What about "All Hands on Deck" from the T6 Command FDC?
The starship traits coming from free/event T6 ships aren't all that good. Some are okay. But not "Reciprocity" or "All Hands on Deck" kind of good. You had to buy those T6 ships for that. Some of the Specialization Traits for Starship Traits are pretty good. But again, not "Reciprocity" or "All Hands on Deck" kind of good. And again, you had to go T6 ship buying for that.
Ahh, the realities of the game!