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Pilot ships Gimped for KDF .97 shield ?
icsairguns
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so looking at the stats they Gimped us again
larger crew size than the other 2 @ 120 vrs 90 and 45
shield mod .97 romies are there with us but feds 1.05
and we only get standard cloak which is pretty much useless while the rommies get the battle cloak .
and we have a litle more hull than the other two making the crew size gimp a bit more noticeable.
and sense its a raptor im guessing it will get that borked turn we all know and love. but will have to wait and see on that one.
i do like that stay on target trait, and the Lt commander sci seat on the sci version. (still no sensor scan or second deflector so we still dont have a sci ship)
and i really like that they are all 5 tac console ships
larger crew size than the other 2 @ 120 vrs 90 and 45
shield mod .97 romies are there with us but feds 1.05
and we only get standard cloak which is pretty much useless while the rommies get the battle cloak .
and we have a litle more hull than the other two making the crew size gimp a bit more noticeable.
and sense its a raptor im guessing it will get that borked turn we all know and love. but will have to wait and see on that one.
i do like that stay on target trait, and the Lt commander sci seat on the sci version. (still no sensor scan or second deflector so we still dont have a sci ship)
and i really like that they are all 5 tac console ships
Trophies for killing FEDS ahh those were the days. 
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As far as Cloaks and Battlecloaks, has that not already been hashed out? Roms get Battlecloaks.
The impulse mod is just below that of the risian corvette and a turn rate that's higher than the defiant implies we aren't getting gimped there.
The lower shield mod is a holdover of having a cloak and the higher hull/crew has been a staple of kdf ships since launch, hardly unexpected. Hell if the crew mechanic worked as it was supposed to it would be a plus in the ships favour, as is the higher base hull is still favourable since there are so many NPC enemies that can strip your shields in seconds these days.
I really wouldn't call these ships gimped.
That's the raw difference in shield capacity...doesn't take into account the effective capacity nor that it also affects regeneration.
The crew thing though is another annoyance that never will be rectified.
What I am surprised though is that the Pilot Ships have comparative hull to regular Escorts but are faster and better turning than them by a large margin. Only the JHAS/JHSS, Risian Corvette can compete in overall handling. But the Corvette is notably weaker hulled.
I was expecting the Pilot Ships to indeed by superior in impulse and turn rate mods but at a cost of lower hull. Somewhere in between Escort and Raider hulls to compensate for the extra turn/speed. But that isn't so.
It was a lot easier to accept the Cloak for Shield Mod and the Turn for Hull Mod stuff before Romulans though...meh.
Man, the Romulans threw balance under the bus in so many different ways. Like their hulls aren't weaker despite everything having Battle Cloak. Lots of Rom players out there have no idea how nice the Silver Platter was handed to them by Cryptic.
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I don't believe shield mod, has any relevance on shield regen but, I could be wrong!
From my understanding, it is only a multiplier for capacity and, nothing else.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
It's a simple check.
Hop in a ship with X Shield Mod. Look at Superior Shield Repair.
Hop in a ship with Y Shield Mod. Look at Superior Shield Repair.
The Shield Mod still modifies Shield Regeneration.
Heck, don't even have to do that...lol...can just look at the Shield Regen with the same shields on two different boats.
As for the stats yeah shafted a little but it's not overly terrible. I love the pilot abilities it's just a shame it comes on such a ugly frame. I'll be giving this a miss as I know for me it will be a waste of money as I'll be wanting to jump ship ASAP.
Really these pilot abilities should have been given to all Raptor's and escorts in-game, like how the other ship classes have special features (cruiser commands, sub system targeting/dual deflectors). It's a shame a really good missed opportunity.
Honestly, the only thing that pisses me off about the ship is that I just purchased the Qib and its fleet version. Should have waited for this ship. Bah. Oh well, if I decide to pony up the cash, I do have the cannon trait from the Qib. :rolleyes:
Well, Pilot Spec has been out for weeks now. That should have been a clue that something was coming down the pipeline VERY soon
That trait is nothing to sneeze at either, sure its not the best out there since cannons are secondary to beams for dps these days but if you want to run cannons that trait is great, be it in getting a BC to turn reasonably well or as I've done for a laugh, throwing it on a BoP, its insane on a BoP... specially if you add the momentum trait for the hell of it.
I went KDF with the Command Cruisers with no regrets, but these pilot Raptors are not getting me out of my Mat'ha.
The fed ships look too boxy for my taste. While the Romulan ships don't really look Romulan in style to me.
But the KDF ships nailed it.. imho.
Similar thoughts so you're not alone. If I were buying these (I've already got a Mat'ha so no need), I'd kitbash the hull and neck of the tac version with the head and wings of the eng version. Put on a normal looking skin instead of that black triangle pattern and I think that'd be a nice looking ship.
It is odd reading some of the comments out there...things I'd expect folks to have said about the KDF Command Shoeboxes and not the Pilot Raptors.
While I've got no interest in flying them in the least, I do think they look pretty damn cool (then again, I'm probably still having haunted dreams about the Command Shoeboxes).
no but in an age where a battle cruiser gets battle cloak (qib) and feds can even get ships with standard cloak now. shared tech via the 3 factions and all that. there is absolutely no reason why the KDF being the warrior race of the lott would not upgrade the cloak on newer ships. the gimping is that all the other factions get new and or upgraded things and the KDF still gets the same ole gimps as always.
as for the borked turn i was talking about its not the turn rate i was talking about the pivot point.
nd dont get me wrong i didnt say the ship sucked completely just in this day and age of copy paste they still took the time to make a few changes to the kdf ship that effect it in combat in detrimental ways. nothing massive but the fact its still there is the point.
and i really just wonder how the people that dont see it can even comment when they seem to be lacking in game mech and kdf game mech in particular.
The crew mechanic is probably the most noticeable and even that's barely going to effect people that aren't min/maxing.
To put it bluntly: on paper its a disadvantage, in practical experience its mostly irrelevant.
the qib got the better cloak because thats how intel ships work. if it doesn't have a cloak, it now has one, if it has cloak, it's got romulan cloak, if it's romulan cloak, then it's an even better cloak somehow.
Because these are a 3-pack of ships, they're Fleet quality out of the box. The Command ships were the same way, as were the Odyssey, Vesta, Kumari, Bortasqu, and Scimitar when those were all released. The Mat'ha is a normal T6 ships that can be upgraded to Fleet but doesn't come that way straight away, hence one less console slot and lower shield mod. A more apples-to-apples comparison would be to compare the stats between the Fleet Mat'ha vs the engie variant of these.
I'm sorry how the Romulans exempt from the "cloaking" tax? They have a 9.7 shields same as KDF but with less hull then the KDF. Less starting power do to there singularity cores at the start of the fight.
As for as the Feds... other then the intel ships they give up a console for that reg. cloak.
I really don't understand the complaining. As KDF have been asking for a 5 tac escort... they finaly get one.. and some are still complaining. /boogle
It's "Boggle" not "Boogle."
Outside the Romulans and KDF Battlecruisers, anything with any sort of Cloaking Device, whether it's built in like KDF ships or requiring a console, like the Defiant, has a Shield Mod Penalty.
Or in the case of the Birds of Prey, they pay for their Battlecloaks with the lightest hulls possible in the game. Only things lighter in hull are Shuttles. And this is on top of the Shield Mod penalty.
Let's take a few old school examples.
T5 Fleet Norgh BOP (Battle Cloak): Hull 27k, .88 Shield Mod
T5 Fleet Qin Raptor (Standard Cloak: Hull 36k , .92 Shield Mod
T5 Fleet Defiant (Standard Cloak/Console): Hull 33k, .99 Shield Mod
- The Defiant's shield mod got tweaked up some time ago, used to be there with KDF Raptors. Can't recall how far back it got sent up.
Then 3 Warbirds:
T5 Fleet T'Varo (Romulan Enhanced Battle Cloak): Hull 29k, .99 Shield Mod
T5 Fleet Mogai (Romulan Battle Cloak): Hull 36k, 1.1 Shield Mod
T5 Fleet Dhelan (Romulan Battle Cloak): Hull 34k, 1.0 Shield Mod
I haven't even touched the T6 stuff for examples yet
And of course, the KDF Battle Cloak =/= Romulan Battle Cloak
KDF Enhanced Battle Cloak =/= Romulan Enhanced Battle Cloak
Romulan Warbirds pay very little for their raw offensive, stealth capability. Why it's like that are due to 2 general benefits: Warbirds that pay no penalty for their Cloaks and capability. Their completely overpowered Captain & BOFF Traits that synergize with Warbirds and Cloaking technology/warfare. Their Singularity Abilities also give that extra bit of "Save me now" to offset their lower Subsystem Power (which itself can also be negated with Romulan Engineers and endgame builds).
Ah, you're right I forgot that about bundle ships. Makes sense now, thanks for the info