Where is "none of the above" on those polls? Because that's my choice, for certain.
I have no desire to play an evil twisted doppleganger of my main toon. Or a scheming space TRIBBLE. Or a xenophobic blob of goo. Or a brain-eating cyborg zombie. I have no desire, in short, to play a bad guy at all.
(My choice for a new faction? Civilian/commercial. A Ferengi faction, if you like. The equivalent of the "Trader Captains and Merchant Princes" splatbook in the old FASA tabletop Trek game.)
Where is "none of the above" on those polls? Because that's my choice, for certain.
I have no desire to play an evil twisted doppleganger of my main toon. Or a scheming space TRIBBLE. Or a xenophobic blob of goo. Or a brain-eating cyborg zombie. I have no desire, in short, to play a bad guy at all.
(My choice for a new faction? Civilian/commercial. A Ferengi faction, if you like. The equivalent of the "Trader Captains and Merchant Princes" splatbook in the old FASA tabletop Trek game.)
Agreed, there is no way for a person who wants new factions, but none of the ones even on the developer's radar, to make their voice heard in this poll.
On the other hand, not every poll is for every person.
To be entirely honest, I don't quite see why people see 'Mirror Universe' faction and automatically assumes that means the Terran Empire.
I suppose because the idea of a mirror universe faction not including the Terran Empire is very unlikely given that the Terran Empire has represented both the majority of the cannon's portrayals of the mirror universe and the entirety of the mirror universe's portrayals in game. Add this to the unlikelihood of the Terran Empire working with the mirror Klingon Empire or mirror Romulan Star Empire and Terran Empire becomes the most likely choice.
I mean, I suppose the Terran Empire could have conquered the mirror klinks and the mirror romulans, but even then, we're still dealing with the Terran Empire.
I suppose because the idea of a mirror universe faction not including the Terran Empire is very unlikely given that the Terran Empire has represented both the majority of the canon's portrayals of the mirror universe and the entirety of the mirror universe's portrayals in game. Add this to the unlikelihood of the Terran Empire working with the mirror Klingon Empire or mirror Romulan Star Empire and Terran Empire becomes the most likely choice.
I mean, I suppose the Terran Empire could have conquered the mirror klinks and the mirror romulans, but even then, we're still dealing with the Terran Empire.
It's not quite true that the entirety of the MU's portrayal in game is the Terran Empire. The problem is that the interaction with the mirror Klinks (the K-C Alliance is still around, but the representatives we meet are all Klingon) in the current version of the storyline are Federation only (The Other Side). I would certainly expect a MU faction to involve the Terran Empire, but that could mean in an antagonist role.
Also, the majority of canon portrayals of the Mirror Universe in fact did not have the Terran Empire. There were more of DS9's 'the Empire has fallen, Terrans are slaves to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, there is a Terran Rebellion brewing/in progress' episodes than ENT's two-parter and Mirror, Mirror combined. Mirror, Mirror is the famous introduction of the idea and what people not into the setting would recognize, so it certainly has a strong edge despite not being the majority, of course.
To be honest: If there is a "species" that could use some love, it would be the Borg.
They've been around since ST-TNG, where the Dominion only got in at DS9.
Ditto for STO, the Borg were there long before the dominion.
As older "species", these should get some love from the Devs.
One thing I found weird: you can be a Borg, but you need to ADDITIONALLY buy the 7of9 implants, AND these would only suit females???
Borg are genderless, why would they have a non-male tech?
Furthermore, there is the extreme lack of none existing Borg Ship Components (ship hull plates, or alkoves on the ship, ...), or Borg Armor suits.
If there is an uncomplete/unfinished "species" in STO, it would be the Borg...
Cardassians and Dominion tbh should just get rolled together, most of their ships been mothballed into lockboxes anyway
Id rather see them first before the Borg, I still don't understand the need/desire/fancy pants for that to become some silly faction, cubes and spheres everywhere...
you want to play as a liberated borg, guess what you can already, its an actual species choice, go have fun with it, because that's what borg should be in any playable fashion
lets just have the continuum be a playable faction as well, also, how about playable ponies?
Did you either miss what I tried to say by accident, or was it intentional?
I said the Borg have been part of STO for a long time, but it never became something really interesting.
Where the Dominion/Cardassian are not yet a full part of STO.
Hence: fix the Borg with some nice things, before releasing a new species.
Ditto goes for the KDF and the Roms, as the Feds have more/better ships and such.
It's not quite true that the entirety of the MU's portrayal in game is the Terran Empire. The problem is that the interaction with the mirror Klinks (the K-C Alliance is still around, but the representatives we meet are all Klingon) in the current version of the storyline are Federation only (The Other Side). I would certainly expect a MU faction to involve the Terran Empire, but that could mean in an antagonist role.
Also, the majority of canon portrayals of the Mirror Universe in fact did not have the Terran Empire. There were more of DS9's 'the Empire has fallen, Terrans are slaves to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, there is a Terran Rebellion brewing/in progress' episodes than ENT's two-parter and Mirror, Mirror combined. Mirror, Mirror is the famous introduction of the idea and what people not into the setting would recognize, so it certainly has a strong edge despite not being the majority, of course.
Well that's an interesting way to count things.
I don't recall ever meeting a Klingon from the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in game myself, but since I haven't played through with a Federation character in years I am happy to stand corrected.
But since we're discussing factions that have been established in story, it's more accurate to count the terran rebels shown in DS9 episodes as members of the Terran Empire. They were, after all, made the direct precursors, and in at least one case, ancestors of the Terran Empire we have in game.
So by my count we have the Terran Empire appearing in both parts of "In the Mirror Darkly," "Mirror, Mirror," "Crossover," "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror" and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Where as the K-C A only appears in "Crossover" "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror," and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Putting the total count of primary canon episodes at 7 to 4.
Considered from another point of view. The Terran Empire has appeared in three different series, DS:9, Enterprise or ToS, where as the K-D A has only ever appeared in DS:9. If someone missed DS:9 or did not enjoy the series, they could have missed the K-C A completely.
And then we have soft cannon, novelizations, computer game appearances, of which the K-C A appears sparingly at about the same almost 2-1 ratio. The Terran Empire also appeared in at least one of the old Starfleet Command games, I can't recall if it's 1 or 2, but from my understanding the K-C A has yet to make an appearance in any games outside of apparently STO.
Having explained my reasoning though, I will take a moment to reiterate, I'm only explaining why the Terran Empire would be considered the default position to many people, including myself. Thinking about basing the "Mirror Universe" faction off of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance however does create a few interesting ideas, both as a way to open up Cardassian ships for play while working around the complete lack of canon ships that the Cardassians have, and as a much more unique play perspective.
If they decided to go with a mirror universe faction that was the Klingon Cardassian Alliance, I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be unhappy.
Id rather see them first before the Borg, I still don't understand the need/desire/fancy pants for that to become some silly faction, cubes and spheres everywhere...
See, I see that the very way around: what's all the fuss with Dominion/Cardi species?
Let me explain what beef I have with the Dominion/Cardassians: they are a thousand-in-a-dozen species.
They have no special meaning, they do not have anything worth mentioning, IMHO.
All of them are just "another race" in the galaxy.
Now, Borg on the other hand...
The Federation know about the borg for quite a while, and even with all the liberates Drones, or the friendly Borg faction, they still have hardly an idea of what the Borg actually are.
Their origine? A mystery.
How they became what they are? Mystery.
80% of their technology? Mystery.
Sure, some have been theorizing about them, but there is no real official information in that regard.
Where other species are like "we'll blast you into oblivion", the Borg, at least, initially, we not like that: "We will add your...", we'll make you US.
They originally didn't kill, but assimilated.
Granted, over time they were turned into something silly, but I for one simply ignore that.
And with good reason: a few authors spoke about this topic, none of them in a good way: all seemed to agree that was a stupid, bad thing to do.
Aside this: as a "villain" in Star Trek, they surely did have an unusual way of thinking, and had a very unusual way of doing things.
No other species was so apart as the Borg.
As for their ships, why NOT have Cubes or spheres?
In space it does not matter what shape a ship has.
And quite frankly, their ships are DARNED effective, whether or not they aren't slick looking.
Personally I would rather support Undine (species 8472) as a playable race than Borg or MU races. They just seem more interesting than the later two options. Although not as much as Cardassians and/or Dominion.
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I don't recall ever meeting a Klingon from the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in game myself, but since I haven't played through with a Federation character in years I am happy to stand corrected.
But since we're discussing factions that have been established in story, it's more accurate to count the terran rebels shown in DS9 episodes as members of the Terran Empire. They were, after all, made the direct precursors, and in at least one case, ancestors of the Terran Empire we have in game.
So by my count we have the Terran Empire appearing in both parts of "In the Mirror Darkly," "Mirror, Mirror," "Crossover," "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror" and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Where as the K-C A only appears in "Crossover" "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror," and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Putting the total count of primary canon episodes at 7 to 4.
Considered from another point of view. The Terran Empire has appeared in three different series, DS:9, Enterprise or ToS, where as the K-D A has only ever appeared in DS:9. If someone missed DS:9 or did not enjoy the series, they could have missed the K-C A completely.
And then we have soft cannon, novelizations, computer game appearances, of which the K-C A appears sparingly at about the same almost 2-1 ratio. The Terran Empire also appeared in at least one of the old Starfleet Command games, I can't recall if it's 1 or 2, but from my understanding the K-C A has yet to make an appearance in any games outside of apparently STO.
Having explained my reasoning though, I will take a moment to reiterate, I'm only explaining why the Terran Empire would be considered the default position to many people, including myself. Thinking about basing the "Mirror Universe" faction off of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance however does create a few interesting ideas, both as a way to open up Cardassian ships for play while working around the complete lack of canon ships that the Cardassians have, and as a much more unique play perspective.
If they decided to go with a mirror universe faction that was the Klingon Cardassian Alliance, I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be unhappy.
You actually meet two Mirror Klingons (Ja'rod and B'vat), and even fight alongside one of them, though since the Alliance only shows up in that one mission it just uses Klingon and Cardassian assets and faction-symbols.
I will admit that I might be a bit too literalist - the Empire didn't show up in DS9 since it was still a Rebellion when we left and wouldn't obviously win or even go on to become an Empire again (they do in STO canon, of course), so my natural inclination was not to count them even if it (but perhaps not entirely - I suggested a Rebellion die-hard opposed to O'Brien's Imperial usurpation earlier in the thread as a possibility), as you say, evolved into the renewed Empire of STO.
The Terran Empire definitely showed up in Starfleet Command 1. I can't recall the K-C Alliance showing up in any other games than STO, though Shattered Universe supposedly (haven't played it) had the Mirror-Klingons as the Klingon Alliance.
Personally I would rather support Undine (species 8472) as a playable race than Borg or MU races. They just seem more interesting than the later two options. Although not as much as Cardassians and/or Dominion.
Try to imagine how the Undine would work in the game's ground component. Your captain, four times larger than most other players, beams down surrounded by Undine officers four times larger than more other players....
Try to imagine how the Undine would work in the game's ground component. Your captain, four times larger than most other players, beams down surrounded by Undine officers four times larger than more other players....
Not sure how well the Undine would work is all.
We can balance things out in the end.
It's basically all "metrics" if I understand some posters. XD
Hell, we even have "Dwarf Gorn".
Cardassians and Dominion tbh should just get rolled together, most of their ships been mothballed into lockboxes anyway
and you should of quit while you were behind. perhaps you forgot the past 40 years of sto trek canon crossover? you know the whole cardassia getting bombed from orbit and jem'hadar troops relentlessly killing innocent people?
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and you should of quit while you were behind. perhaps you forgot the past 40 years of sto trek canon crossover? you know the whole cardassia getting bombed from orbit and jem'hadar troops relentlessly killing innocent people?
How am I behind suggesting that they just put them together in one large faction as far as race options are concerned?
Galor - Lockbox, scratch that ship from roster
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and, that other ship without the ' in the name, Duty Officer Packs, scratch that one from roster
Dominion Heavy whatever, lockbox, scratch that
Dominion Carrier whatever, lobi, scratch that
jee the roster is quite small for potential ships for either faction, hence, roll into one larger one, viola done, everyone can be Vorta, because that's the race were all choosing anyway right?:cool:
Why not expand and add to the current three factions that we have now even more. Instead of creating a new one, it not getting any love, everyone going back to their Fed for all the ships and gear, and then coming here to b%ch about how it's being treated like the red headed step child to a Romulan...
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Was going to edit my post, but a post jumped oin between, so... second part: See, I see that the very way around: what's all the fuss with Dominion/Cardi species?
Yeah, I don't get it either & if we necessarily HAVE to get a new faction at some point, personally, I'd rather Borg Cooperative than Dominion, million times over.
As far as I'm concerned, Cardassians & Dominion in general are mostly bad guys, none of them all that appealing, as the potential Liberated Borg faction, which, for my own purposes, is much more stimulating, as far as story potential & roleplaying of character development goes.
Although, that being said, story, just like art, are matters of personal taste. There aren't really 'better' or 'worse', as it's more of a subjective perception. Unfortunately, it's in human nature to try to have a pee-pee contest in everything, trying to convince the other, that this is 'oh so much better, so we must want what they want', attempting to marginalize the taste of another individual by rather needlessly snide remarks.... :eek:
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The fuss is from people who have taken time to sit and watch one of the best Startrek series ever made , and didn't write off the show from the start because it occurred on a space station , didn't have Picard or Kirk , had strong female characters, was willing to admit religion, race, sexuality and other controversial issues still exist beyond the boarders of Federation. This was also the series that was serialized before people started getting Netflix or larger attention spans beyond "High five everyone things are wonderful on this planet today, time to fly away before we are forced to know any more in-depth character development on these flavor of the week aliens".
If you don't understand what makes the dominion and cardassians such a deep and rich culture , then it's just because you have deprived yourself from amazing character depth such as this...
Of them all I'd like to see the Dominion, could roll the Cardies and Breen into them if need be as well to give them more races than just Vorta and Jem'hadar, kinda a resurgence of the dominion war alliance, though it make little sense for the Cardies I suppose after the way they turned on the dominion at the end.
that said there are other races that we meet during DS9 that are part of the dominion, they don't fight during the war but with the right storyline they could be explained into it.
Of them all I'd like to see the Dominion, could roll the Cardies and Breen into them if need be as well to give them more races than just Vorta and Jem'hadar, kinda a resurgence of the dominion war alliance, though it make little sense for the Cardies I suppose after the way they turned on the dominion at the end.
that said there are other races that we meet during DS9 that are part of the dominion, they don't fight during the war but with the right storyline they could be explained into it.
also is anyone else picturing a T1 bug ship?
The Alpha Jemhadar began to rebel after getting replaced , there were rebelious versions of vorta , and certainly good changlings affected by odo in the great link. There were also the good cardassians who turned on the dominion. Thus it would be a cooler more interesting anti dominion that takes all the races off their chains and allows them to volunteer for dangerous missions after the iconian threat appeared. Thus Jemhaddar would no longer be dependant on white, and vorta would have their sight enhanced. They could be called "The New Cooperative". Which as a bonus theMaquis could be a subfaction of all the races of KDF/FED.
If you don't understand what makes the dominion and cardassians such a deep and rich culture , then it's just because you have deprived yourself from amazing character depth such as this...
LOL I loved DS9, but calling what was presented in it Deep and Rich development is just ridiculous exaggeration.
Cardassian and Dominion could (and should) be unified into one faction easily.
Really ridiculous if you watch DS9 series end. Cardassianswould have to be completely subjugated again for that to happen. And given the resistance that occurred at the end there, I don't see that happening. The only way Cardassia is brought under Dominion Control again is if the Cardassians are completely exterminated.
Cardassia would join the Federation before joining the Dominion again given what happened to them in that war.
First up, I'm *not* saying I agree with the Card/DOM unification idea. However, to respond to your initial point, I think the idea of the Romulan Republic rather than the Empire as the playable Rom faction also sounded ridiculous to many people...but they did it anyway. So how something sounds does not necessarily have anything to do with what the devs will actually decide to do.
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I have no desire to play an evil twisted doppleganger of my main toon. Or a scheming space TRIBBLE. Or a xenophobic blob of goo. Or a brain-eating cyborg zombie. I have no desire, in short, to play a bad guy at all.
(My choice for a new faction? Civilian/commercial. A Ferengi faction, if you like. The equivalent of the "Trader Captains and Merchant Princes" splatbook in the old FASA tabletop Trek game.)
Agreed, there is no way for a person who wants new factions, but none of the ones even on the developer's radar, to make their voice heard in this poll.
On the other hand, not every poll is for every person.
I suppose because the idea of a mirror universe faction not including the Terran Empire is very unlikely given that the Terran Empire has represented both the majority of the cannon's portrayals of the mirror universe and the entirety of the mirror universe's portrayals in game. Add this to the unlikelihood of the Terran Empire working with the mirror Klingon Empire or mirror Romulan Star Empire and Terran Empire becomes the most likely choice.
I mean, I suppose the Terran Empire could have conquered the mirror klinks and the mirror romulans, but even then, we're still dealing with the Terran Empire.
Also, the majority of canon portrayals of the Mirror Universe in fact did not have the Terran Empire. There were more of DS9's 'the Empire has fallen, Terrans are slaves to the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance, there is a Terran Rebellion brewing/in progress' episodes than ENT's two-parter and Mirror, Mirror combined. Mirror, Mirror is the famous introduction of the idea and what people not into the setting would recognize, so it certainly has a strong edge despite not being the majority, of course.
They've been around since ST-TNG, where the Dominion only got in at DS9.
Ditto for STO, the Borg were there long before the dominion.
As older "species", these should get some love from the Devs.
One thing I found weird: you can be a Borg, but you need to ADDITIONALLY buy the 7of9 implants, AND these would only suit females???
Borg are genderless, why would they have a non-male tech?
Furthermore, there is the extreme lack of none existing Borg Ship Components (ship hull plates, or alkoves on the ship, ...), or Borg Armor suits.
If there is an uncomplete/unfinished "species" in STO, it would be the Borg...
Id rather see them first before the Borg, I still don't understand the need/desire/fancy pants for that to become some silly faction, cubes and spheres everywhere...
you want to play as a liberated borg, guess what you can already, its an actual species choice, go have fun with it, because that's what borg should be in any playable fashion
lets just have the continuum be a playable faction as well, also, how about playable ponies?
I said the Borg have been part of STO for a long time, but it never became something really interesting.
Where the Dominion/Cardassian are not yet a full part of STO.
Hence: fix the Borg with some nice things, before releasing a new species.
Ditto goes for the KDF and the Roms, as the Feds have more/better ships and such.
Well that's an interesting way to count things.
I don't recall ever meeting a Klingon from the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in game myself, but since I haven't played through with a Federation character in years I am happy to stand corrected.
But since we're discussing factions that have been established in story, it's more accurate to count the terran rebels shown in DS9 episodes as members of the Terran Empire. They were, after all, made the direct precursors, and in at least one case, ancestors of the Terran Empire we have in game.
So by my count we have the Terran Empire appearing in both parts of "In the Mirror Darkly," "Mirror, Mirror," "Crossover," "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror" and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Where as the K-C A only appears in "Crossover" "Through the Looking Glass," "Shattered Mirror," and "The Emperor's New Cloak." Putting the total count of primary canon episodes at 7 to 4.
Considered from another point of view. The Terran Empire has appeared in three different series, DS:9, Enterprise or ToS, where as the K-D A has only ever appeared in DS:9. If someone missed DS:9 or did not enjoy the series, they could have missed the K-C A completely.
And then we have soft cannon, novelizations, computer game appearances, of which the K-C A appears sparingly at about the same almost 2-1 ratio. The Terran Empire also appeared in at least one of the old Starfleet Command games, I can't recall if it's 1 or 2, but from my understanding the K-C A has yet to make an appearance in any games outside of apparently STO.
Having explained my reasoning though, I will take a moment to reiterate, I'm only explaining why the Terran Empire would be considered the default position to many people, including myself. Thinking about basing the "Mirror Universe" faction off of the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance however does create a few interesting ideas, both as a way to open up Cardassian ships for play while working around the complete lack of canon ships that the Cardassians have, and as a much more unique play perspective.
If they decided to go with a mirror universe faction that was the Klingon Cardassian Alliance, I'd be surprised, but I wouldn't be unhappy.
They have no special meaning, they do not have anything worth mentioning, IMHO.
All of them are just "another race" in the galaxy.
Now, Borg on the other hand...
The Federation know about the borg for quite a while, and even with all the liberates Drones, or the friendly Borg faction, they still have hardly an idea of what the Borg actually are.
Their origine? A mystery.
How they became what they are? Mystery.
80% of their technology? Mystery.
Sure, some have been theorizing about them, but there is no real official information in that regard.
Where other species are like "we'll blast you into oblivion", the Borg, at least, initially, we not like that: "We will add your...", we'll make you US.
They originally didn't kill, but assimilated.
Granted, over time they were turned into something silly, but I for one simply ignore that.
And with good reason: a few authors spoke about this topic, none of them in a good way: all seemed to agree that was a stupid, bad thing to do.
Aside this: as a "villain" in Star Trek, they surely did have an unusual way of thinking, and had a very unusual way of doing things.
No other species was so apart as the Borg.
As for their ships, why NOT have Cubes or spheres?
In space it does not matter what shape a ship has.
And quite frankly, their ships are DARNED effective, whether or not they aren't slick looking.
You encounter Ja'rod and B'vat in the final Mirrorverse mission
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I will admit that I might be a bit too literalist - the Empire didn't show up in DS9 since it was still a Rebellion when we left and wouldn't obviously win or even go on to become an Empire again (they do in STO canon, of course), so my natural inclination was not to count them even if it (but perhaps not entirely - I suggested a Rebellion die-hard opposed to O'Brien's Imperial usurpation earlier in the thread as a possibility), as you say, evolved into the renewed Empire of STO.
The Terran Empire definitely showed up in Starfleet Command 1. I can't recall the K-C Alliance showing up in any other games than STO, though Shattered Universe supposedly (haven't played it) had the Mirror-Klingons as the Klingon Alliance.
Try to imagine how the Undine would work in the game's ground component. Your captain, four times larger than most other players, beams down surrounded by Undine officers four times larger than more other players....
Not sure how well the Undine would work is all.
They contradict everything and anyone as the ST shows go on and on...
What is canon now, will be likely be no more in due time. We can balance things out in the end.
It's basically all "metrics" if I understand some posters. XD
Hell, we even have "Dwarf Gorn".
and you should of quit while you were behind. perhaps you forgot the past 40 years of sto trek canon crossover? you know the whole cardassia getting bombed from orbit and jem'hadar troops relentlessly killing innocent people?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
How am I behind suggesting that they just put them together in one large faction as far as race options are concerned?
Galor - Lockbox, scratch that ship from roster
Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and, that other ship without the ' in the name, Duty Officer Packs, scratch that one from roster
Dominion Heavy whatever, lockbox, scratch that
Dominion Carrier whatever, lobi, scratch that
jee the roster is quite small for potential ships for either faction, hence, roll into one larger one, viola done, everyone can be Vorta, because that's the race were all choosing anyway right?:cool:
its 49 years to be more accurate
Seriously? It was like three sentences, you couldn't possibly be this confused about the point he was making when it was only three sentences long.
You're behind because you can't read three sentences.
Like I said before.
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Unless you just want to do a copy-paste of the currently existing Alliance structure....:cool:
As far as I'm concerned, Cardassians & Dominion in general are mostly bad guys, none of them all that appealing, as the potential Liberated Borg faction, which, for my own purposes, is much more stimulating, as far as story potential & roleplaying of character development goes.
Although, that being said, story, just like art, are matters of personal taste. There aren't really 'better' or 'worse', as it's more of a subjective perception. Unfortunately, it's in human nature to try to have a pee-pee contest in everything, trying to convince the other, that this is 'oh so much better, so we must want what they want', attempting to marginalize the taste of another individual by rather needlessly snide remarks.... :eek:
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What "fuss" are you talking about? Or do you simply mean people having a different opinion than you?
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If you don't understand what makes the dominion and cardassians such a deep and rich culture , then it's just because you have deprived yourself from amazing character depth such as this...
This sceneand this scene
that said there are other races that we meet during DS9 that are part of the dominion, they don't fight during the war but with the right storyline they could be explained into it.
also is anyone else picturing a T1 bug ship?
The Alpha Jemhadar began to rebel after getting replaced , there were rebelious versions of vorta , and certainly good changlings affected by odo in the great link. There were also the good cardassians who turned on the dominion. Thus it would be a cooler more interesting anti dominion that takes all the races off their chains and allows them to volunteer for dangerous missions after the iconian threat appeared. Thus Jemhaddar would no longer be dependant on white, and vorta would have their sight enhanced. They could be called "The New Cooperative". Which as a bonus theMaquis could be a subfaction of all the races of KDF/FED.
LOL I loved DS9, but calling what was presented in it Deep and Rich development is just ridiculous exaggeration.
Really ridiculous if you watch DS9 series end. Cardassianswould have to be completely subjugated again for that to happen. And given the resistance that occurred at the end there, I don't see that happening. The only way Cardassia is brought under Dominion Control again is if the Cardassians are completely exterminated.
Cardassia would join the Federation before joining the Dominion again given what happened to them in that war.
First up, I'm *not* saying I agree with the Card/DOM unification idea. However, to respond to your initial point, I think the idea of the Romulan Republic rather than the Empire as the playable Rom faction also sounded ridiculous to many people...but they did it anyway. So how something sounds does not necessarily have anything to do with what the devs will actually decide to do.
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