Something we should however not overlook is of course that we know as a fact that the Klingons use scout ships to gather intelligence on regions beyond their territory.
They did so in the 22nd century with the Raptors and kept doing so in the 24th century with an unseen (probably due to budget) scout class.
Since Odo on edge due to the crew I doubt it's merely a one or two person craft.
And that it was a known type of ship like a Bird of Prey would make no sense either because then they'd have called it a Bird of Prey in that episode.;)
The reality in STO is that science vessels are not peaceful ships that meander around and passively scan anomalies. Federation science vessels are armed vessels of war that destroy ships with weaponized science-magic. They kill the crews of enemy vessels with radiation, gravity, and other terrible scientific magic stuffs that someone made up.
The players of the KDF are not asking to passively study a pre-atomic age civilization. They are asking for a similar exotic murder ship that the Federation is so adept at building. The Federation is getting better at making battlecruisers. Why cant the KDF make exotic murder ships?
This right here. One of the few posts that actually get what people are asking for KDF side. A decent ship where exotic attacks and exotic weaponry can be slotted. Not a heal/support ship.
Personally, I'm hoping the T6 BOP we keep hearing about is jam-packed with Universal BOFF stations. That will go a long way to help.
Again, not hopeful we'll ever get a true KDF aligned sci like is available FED side.
The only other options is too just drop the walls -- and let any faction fly any ship. At this point , that might be the best solution.
This right here. One of the few posts that actually get what people are asking for KDF side. A decent ship where exotic attacks and exotic weaponry can be slotted. Not a heal/support ship.
Personally, I'm hoping the T6 BOP we keep hearing about is jam-packed with Universal BOFF stations. That will go a long way to help.
Again, not hopeful we'll ever get a true KDF aligned sci like is available FED side.
The only other options is too just drop the walls -- and let any faction fly any ship. At this point , that might be the best solution.
I got that. Which is why I put together two ship based off that. All that's missing is Some hybrid boff seats, and the T6 abilities. Those ships over there aren't nice ships. One desiigned to be more tanky, the other is dsigned to be more blow stuff up. They're stats are losely based off the Corsair, Qib, T6 Science-Science Command, and the Scryer. all with an Orion touch. And those two ships, yeah, everyone in the General Discussion forum hasn't argued or flamed them since about middle ways through adjusting the stat block. Though some of them still argue that the KDF aka Klingons don't need a science ship.
Well the Kaf'ri and the Corsair have a lot in common. The main differrence on them is boffs and consoles. I've looked at it for my Sci officer. But kept it in mind for the two I put together. Which is why it has a hangar bay. And the two different boff setups. One more kaf'ri, one more corsair.
Right here guys. I took the time to hammer out a basic layout of not one, but two Orion science vessles.
From what I've read here. It seem the main arguement is who makes the ship.
Well for this lets look at our Races.
Klingons, mostly warriors, and some engineer.
Naussicans and Letheans are the same.
Orions already have a long history of space exploration and science.
Gorns have already given us science ships(sup-par as they maybe).
If I offened anyone with this I do apologize. I was interrupt in the middle of typing it out with with RL.
As i was saying, Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans. They're basically the Brawn of the KDF. Don't get me wrong here. You don't get to be a galactic empire by being stupid. Meaning they're all highly intelligent species. It's just that they're more focused on being the Meat on the plate that is called the Empire.
The Gorn like always as keeping quiet and doing what Gorn do, whatever that is. But they have already produced Science ships for the KDF. They're highly intelligent, and though some don't act it, highly patient, kind of a reptilian trait.
The Orions, while not as patient as teh Gorn, are still the most experienced in space travel of all the KDF. They have a long history with Science, especially Medical Science. They've given the KDF two very good cruisers. The Marauder and the Corsair.
Now if you take in to account that the Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are the Meat of the KDF.
Then that would make the Gorn and Orions the patatoes of the dish. They're the ones filling out the ranks as far as Science and Engineering goes. While Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are filling out the Tactical and Engineering.
So, people constantly post "Science? Klingons don't do science! lol!!!". I don't think those people have been paying attention to cannon and what the reality is in STO.
As far as cannon goes, Klingons have always wanted to weaponize science. From TV shows, to books to movies, Klingons acquiring and using science as a weapon is well established.
The reality in STO is that science vessels are not peaceful ships that meander around and passively scan anomalies. Federation science vessels are armed vessels of war that destroy ships with weaponized science-magic. They kill the crews of enemy vessels with radiation, gravity, and other terrible scientific magic stuffs that someone made up.
The players of the KDF are not asking to passively study a pre-atomic age civilization. They are asking for a similar exotic murder ship that the Federation is so adept at building. The Federation is getting better at making battlecruisers. Why cant the KDF make exotic murder ships?
Well said and absolutely right. If Cryyptic can justify givening them battlecruisers that started with the Avenger/Mogh why can't we get science vessels like they have, it's an equal swap and should be done.
If I offened anyone with this I do apologize. I was interrupt in the middle of typing it out with with RL.
As i was saying, Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans. They're basically the Brawn of the KDF. Don't get me wrong here. You don't get to be a galactic empire by being stupid. Meaning they're all highly intelligent species. It's just that they're more focused on being the Meat on the plate that is called the Empire.
The Gorn like always as keeping quiet and doing what Gorn do, whatever that is. But they have already produced Science ships for the KDF. They're highly intelligent, and though some don't act it, highly patient, kind of a reptilian trait.
The Orions, while not as patient as teh Gorn, are still the most experienced in space travel of all the KDF. They have a long history with Science, especially Medical Science. They've given the KDF two very good cruisers. The Marauder and the Corsair.
Now if you take in to account that the Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are the Meat of the KDF.
Then that would make the Gorn and Orions the patatoes of the dish. They're the ones filling out the ranks as far as Science and Engineering goes. While Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are filling out the Tactical and Engineering.
Makes a lot of sense to me. I'd like to see more Orion ships as well as some Lethean, Ferasan (escort carriers) and Naucassian ships. The KDF is a multicultural nation now, and a relatively new one so shouldn't the ship choices at T6 reflect this?
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Makes a lot of sense to me. I'd like to see more Orion ships as well as some Lethean, Ferasan (escort carriers) and Naucassian ships. The KDF is a multicultural nation now, and a relatively new one so shouldn't the ship choices at T6 reflect this?
I completely agree. I'm working on Orion science vessles in the (2 pack) thread. And I'm more than will int help contribute to any other ship. So..
Letheans, Ferasans, Gorn and Naussicans lets see what you can come up with. We may never see them. But it will deffinately show that we have a very high interet in the ship we'd like to see. And who knows, they might even use one of of the ideas we crank out.
Many of us are beyond hope that the dev's, Geko in particular will give more than a targ's butt about what we want or think.
However I see no reason why we can't continue to post what we want in the off change one of the dev's who have a bit of power in the decision making process might come in, have a look around and take some ideas and incorporate them into a future KDF ship.
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Adding my voice to the tumult: PLEASE offer a worthwhile Sci ship! I am so tired of this bloody Dyson, that I've been running my torpedo boat again!
Hop in to the Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack) thread. Have a look at what we've got there. Add in some feed back as to what you're looking for in a science ship or just an approval of what we have so far. Its a good one to show Cryptic how serious we are about a science ship. well other than this one.
As long as it doesn't get in the way of a T6 Bird of Prey.
The T6 Bop as I understand is already under construction, or is suppose to be. This is Cryptic after all.
As far as science ships go. I do aprrove of your idea. It has potential. The BoP though is known for its hard hitting offensive capabilities. So the Tactical and Engineering setups I can agree with.
A Sciene BoP, while a good idea, would put it roughly about as useful as the Romulan Science Vessel. The one thats akin to the Romulan Scout Ship.
So for these three ships lets work out some stat block and see what we can come up with. Like we've done in the Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack).
*headscratch* How did this end up here when I was in the 3 pack BoP thread?
Any non-Klingon addition to T6 KDF ships are welcome in my opinion since them having only Norgh's, Vor'cha's, and Negh'Tev's makes them too much like Starfleet, and noone wants that.
Any non-Klingon addition to T6 KDF ships are welcome in my opinion since them having only Norgh's, Vor'cha's, and Negh'Tev's makes them too much like Starfleet, and noone wants that.
Yeah, took me two weeks to come up with those 4 ships. I still need to work on teh Predator. Its just a stat copy of one of the pilot ships at the moment. Haven't been recieving any feed back on what people would like to adjust about it.
The Science came about because people asking for a Orion Sci vessel. The other three kinda grew from that idea.
For me though. If anyone of these ships were to be put in game. I'd go for the Science Vessel. We are sorely lacking on those.
what they could use ( as sort of model in terms for stats ) is the vo'quv . I find that carrier to be an excellent science vessel . Just too bad that nearly all fighter type carrier-pets now die at every warp core breach .
The Vo'Quv is also one of the few ship types which are fairly unique to KDF ( Fed doesn't have a ship like that, you can't compare the Atrox with it, for example) . Advantage of carrier-type ships for sci-captains is that you can focus on drain shield abilties or GW b/c you use beams and the pets are usful to take aggro .
but it obviously would require secondary deflector + subsystem targeting and sensorscan ( which the vo'quv doesn't have )
what they could use ( as sort of model in terms for stats ) is the vo'quv . I find that carrier to be an excellent science vessel . Just too bad that nearly all fighter type carrier-pets now die at every warp core breach .
The Vo'Quv is also one of the few ship types which are fairly unique to KDF ( Fed doesn't have a ship like that, you can't compare the Atrox with it, for example) . Advantage of carrier-type ships for sci-captains is that you can focus on drain shield abilties or GW b/c you use beams and the pets are usful to take aggro .
but it obviously would require secondary deflector + subsystem targeting and sensorscan ( which the vo'quv doesn't have )
*nods* Along the route of my original idea for he science ship. It kinda mutated in to an intel ship idea. If you set the stats apart for the original 2, then add teh sci/intel to it. Make it a science 3 pack.
Then it puts the other three here in to a 3 pack as well. So we have a total of 6 ships that would go well in the fleet.
Ironically, I can see a Klingon sci ship before a BOP given recent developments.
We've now had T6 3-pack cruisers and escorts for each faction, within a few months of each other (what was it - less than 3 months between the Command cruisers and Pilot escorts?).
The "logical" next step is a science 3-pack and accompanying specialisation, which would - based on Cryptic's current pattern - mean faction reskins for the Klingons and Romulans.
The only way I can see a BOP beating the sci ship into play is if it's part of an "Iconic raider / escort" pack alongside a T6 Raider-Defiant and T'varo (which, despite its 10s of screen time, is at least close enough to the TOS Warbird to qualify).
I like the Dyson, but its not quite right as a KDF ship
I like the lay out, I don't even mind the tectical mode cannon, though it would be nice to be able to switch them out for different weapons...
The Korath Temporal DD is even with the T5U upgrade rather obsolete... and as was noted difficult to get.
I firmly believe a KDF SCI ships should have a 4/2 weapons layout. Should be more manuverable the a typical Fed SCI ship, should mount cannon, should have a 2 Eng, 5 sci 3 tac console layout. SHould have slightly weaker shields 1.1 mod instead of a 1.3 and have Battlecloak. Hull HP in line with same tier fed SCI ships, but perhaps a hair weaker also. A trade off for having a a full battle cloak.
and in todays era of FIGHTING ships.. Commander SCI, LtCdr TAC Lt ENG, LT Universal, ENS Universal. Typical SCIence ship abilities.
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They did so in the 22nd century with the Raptors and kept doing so in the 24th century with an unseen (probably due to budget) scout class.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Klingon_scout_ship
Since Odo on edge due to the crew I doubt it's merely a one or two person craft.
And that it was a known type of ship like a Bird of Prey would make no sense either because then they'd have called it a Bird of Prey in that episode.;)
make it so!
This right here. One of the few posts that actually get what people are asking for KDF side. A decent ship where exotic attacks and exotic weaponry can be slotted. Not a heal/support ship.
Personally, I'm hoping the T6 BOP we keep hearing about is jam-packed with Universal BOFF stations. That will go a long way to help.
Again, not hopeful we'll ever get a true KDF aligned sci like is available FED side.
The only other options is too just drop the walls -- and let any faction fly any ship. At this point , that might be the best solution.
I got that. Which is why I put together two ship based off that. All that's missing is Some hybrid boff seats, and the T6 abilities. Those ships over there aren't nice ships. One desiigned to be more tanky, the other is dsigned to be more blow stuff up. They're stats are losely based off the Corsair, Qib, T6 Science-Science Command, and the Scryer. all with an Orion touch. And those two ships, yeah, everyone in the General Discussion forum hasn't argued or flamed them since about middle ways through adjusting the stat block. Though some of them still argue that the KDF aka Klingons don't need a science ship.
Well the Kaf'ri and the Corsair have a lot in common. The main differrence on them is boffs and consoles. I've looked at it for my Sci officer. But kept it in mind for the two I put together. Which is why it has a hangar bay. And the two different boff setups. One more kaf'ri, one more corsair.
If I offened anyone with this I do apologize. I was interrupt in the middle of typing it out with with RL.
As i was saying, Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans. They're basically the Brawn of the KDF. Don't get me wrong here. You don't get to be a galactic empire by being stupid. Meaning they're all highly intelligent species. It's just that they're more focused on being the Meat on the plate that is called the Empire.
The Gorn like always as keeping quiet and doing what Gorn do, whatever that is. But they have already produced Science ships for the KDF. They're highly intelligent, and though some don't act it, highly patient, kind of a reptilian trait.
The Orions, while not as patient as teh Gorn, are still the most experienced in space travel of all the KDF. They have a long history with Science, especially Medical Science. They've given the KDF two very good cruisers. The Marauder and the Corsair.
Now if you take in to account that the Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are the Meat of the KDF.
Then that would make the Gorn and Orions the patatoes of the dish. They're the ones filling out the ranks as far as Science and Engineering goes. While Klingons, Naussicans, and Letheans are filling out the Tactical and Engineering.
Well said and absolutely right. If Cryyptic can justify givening them battlecruisers that started with the Avenger/Mogh why can't we get science vessels like they have, it's an equal swap and should be done.
Makes a lot of sense to me. I'd like to see more Orion ships as well as some Lethean, Ferasan (escort carriers) and Naucassian ships. The KDF is a multicultural nation now, and a relatively new one so shouldn't the ship choices at T6 reflect this?
I completely agree. I'm working on Orion science vessles in the (2 pack) thread. And I'm more than will int help contribute to any other ship. So..
Letheans, Ferasans, Gorn and Naussicans lets see what you can come up with. We may never see them. But it will deffinately show that we have a very high interet in the ship we'd like to see. And who knows, they might even use one of of the ideas we crank out.
However I see no reason why we can't continue to post what we want in the off change one of the dev's who have a bit of power in the decision making process might come in, have a look around and take some ideas and incorporate them into a future KDF ship.
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Hop in to the Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack) thread. Have a look at what we've got there. Add in some feed back as to what you're looking for in a science ship or just an approval of what we have so far. Its a good one to show Cryptic how serious we are about a science ship. well other than this one.
The T6 Bop as I understand is already under construction, or is suppose to be. This is Cryptic after all.
As far as science ships go. I do aprrove of your idea. It has potential. The BoP though is known for its hard hitting offensive capabilities. So the Tactical and Engineering setups I can agree with.
A Sciene BoP, while a good idea, would put it roughly about as useful as the Romulan Science Vessel. The one thats akin to the Romulan Scout Ship.
So for these three ships lets work out some stat block and see what we can come up with. Like we've done in the Syndicate Science Support Vessel(2 pack).
*headscratch* How did this end up here when I was in the 3 pack BoP thread?
I can't see anything more sexy than the temporal ship for kdf even at t5u its awesome.
You can't see anything more sexy than that? How about.....
Syndicate Science/Intel Support Vessel
Lt Tac/Intel, LtC Engi, Com Sci/Intel, LtC Sci, En Uni
Consoles:
Engi: 2
Tac: 3
Sci: 5
Weapons
Fore: 4
Aft : 2
Hull: 33000@ lvl 50, 40000@ lvl 60
Shield Mod: 1
Crew: 500
Base Turn: 10
Device: 3
Hangar Bay: 1
Hangar Bay - Elite Orion Interceptors
Can use DHC
Has a cloaking device.
Has a Secondary deflector.
Console - Universal - Engine Systems Drain
Subsystem Targeting
Sensor Analysis
Mastery
1 Enhanced Particle generators.
2 Advanced Shield Systems
3 Enhanced Restorative Circuitry
4 Reactice Shield technoloy
5 Starship Trait: Emitter Synergy
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Naussican Predator
Com Tactical/Pilot, Lt Tac, LtC Engi, Lt Sci/Pilot, En Uni
Consoles:
Engi: 4
Tac:5
Sci: 2
Weapons
Fore: 5
Aft : 2
Hull: 36225@ lvl 50, 42000@lvl 60
Shield Mod: 0.97
Crew: 120
Base Turn: 20
Device: 2
+10 weapon, +10 Engines
Can use DHC
Has a battle cloaking device.
Pilot Maneuvers
Mastery
1) Precise Weapon Systems (+Accuracy)
2) Tactical Maneuvering (+Defense)
3) Enhanced Weapon Systems (+Weapon Damage)
4) Devastating Weaponry (+Critical Chance)
5) Stay On Target (Starship Trait)
Console - Universal - Subspace Eddy
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Hegemony Ironscale Battlecruiser
LtC Tac, Com Engi/Comman, LtC Engi, Lt Sci/Command, En Uni
Consoles:
Engi: 5
Tac: 3
Sci: 3
Weapons
Fore: 5
Aft : 3
Hull: 49335@ lvl 50, 57200@ lvl 60
Shield Mod: 1
Crew: 1000
Base Turn: 10
Device: 4
Hangar Bay: 1
+10 weapon, +10engine
Hangar - Brood Shuttle(to'duj fighters or orion incectpors reskinned)
Can use DHC
Has a cloaking device.
Console - Universal - Fleet Support Platform
Turn the Tide
Against All Odds
Battle Preperation
Shield Frequency Remodulations
Attract Fire
Mastery
1 Absorpitive Plating
2 Advanced Weapons Bank
3 Enhanced Hull Plating
4 Armoered Hull
5 Starship Trait: Battle
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Lethean Dominator Dreadnought
Com Tac, Lt Tac, LtC Engi, Lt Sci, Lt Uni
Consoles:
Engineering: 4
Tactical: 5
Sci: 2
Weapons:
Fore: 6
Aft: 2
Hull: 52000@ lvl 50, 59200@ lvl 60
Shield: 1
Crew: 1500
Base Turn: 8
Device: 4
Hangar Bay: 1
+10 weapons, +10 engines
Hangar Bay: Pirate Patrol Craft (to'duj fighter or orion interceptors reskinned)
Console- Universal - Defense Platform
Can use DHC
Cloaking Device
Inspiration Abilities
Turn the Tide
Against All Odds
Battle Preperation
Mastery
1) Absorpative Plating
2) Enhanced Weapons Bank
3) Enhanced Plating
4) Armored Hull
5) All hands on Deck
Yeah, took me two weeks to come up with those 4 ships. I still need to work on teh Predator. Its just a stat copy of one of the pilot ships at the moment. Haven't been recieving any feed back on what people would like to adjust about it.
The Science came about because people asking for a Orion Sci vessel. The other three kinda grew from that idea.
For me though. If anyone of these ships were to be put in game. I'd go for the Science Vessel. We are sorely lacking on those.
The Vo'Quv is also one of the few ship types which are fairly unique to KDF ( Fed doesn't have a ship like that, you can't compare the Atrox with it, for example) . Advantage of carrier-type ships for sci-captains is that you can focus on drain shield abilties or GW b/c you use beams and the pets are usful to take aggro .
but it obviously would require secondary deflector + subsystem targeting and sensorscan ( which the vo'quv doesn't have )
*nods* Along the route of my original idea for he science ship. It kinda mutated in to an intel ship idea. If you set the stats apart for the original 2, then add teh sci/intel to it. Make it a science 3 pack.
Then it puts the other three here in to a 3 pack as well. So we have a total of 6 ships that would go well in the fleet.
We've now had T6 3-pack cruisers and escorts for each faction, within a few months of each other (what was it - less than 3 months between the Command cruisers and Pilot escorts?).
The "logical" next step is a science 3-pack and accompanying specialisation, which would - based on Cryptic's current pattern - mean faction reskins for the Klingons and Romulans.
The only way I can see a BOP beating the sci ship into play is if it's part of an "Iconic raider / escort" pack alongside a T6 Raider-Defiant and T'varo (which, despite its 10s of screen time, is at least close enough to the TOS Warbird to qualify).
I like the Dyson, but its not quite right as a KDF ship
I like the lay out, I don't even mind the tectical mode cannon, though it would be nice to be able to switch them out for different weapons...
The Korath Temporal DD is even with the T5U upgrade rather obsolete... and as was noted difficult to get.
I firmly believe a KDF SCI ships should have a 4/2 weapons layout. Should be more manuverable the a typical Fed SCI ship, should mount cannon, should have a 2 Eng, 5 sci 3 tac console layout. SHould have slightly weaker shields 1.1 mod instead of a 1.3 and have Battlecloak. Hull HP in line with same tier fed SCI ships, but perhaps a hair weaker also. A trade off for having a a full battle cloak.
and in todays era of FIGHTING ships.. Commander SCI, LtCdr TAC Lt ENG, LT Universal, ENS Universal. Typical SCIence ship abilities.