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I Urge Cryptic to Include the Gamma Quadrant in the Iconian War

haurianthauriant Member Posts: 145 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
With the Iconian War ramping up, I urge Cryptic not to forget the Gamma Quadrant. Include it, in some way, as a part of the war. I understand and approve the recent focus on Voyager and the Delta Quadrant. But the Iconians want to conquer all of the galaxy, not 3/4 of it. If the Gamma Quadrant in general and the Dominion in particular aren’t covered in some way, this war will feel incomplete.

This wouldn’t require missions focusing on the Gamma Quadrant, although I certainly wouldn’t mind if Cryptic made some. If the Dominion joins the Grand Alliance we’re assembling (either officially or tacitly), having Changelings or Vorta at planning meetings or at least Jem’Hadar ships (not counting Lobi Consortium ones) in our fleets would show Gamma Quadrant involvement. In recent years, Crytpic has added random elements to queued events, like the Undine attacks on randomly chosen planets. If they make an Iconian equivalent to that queued event, they could add a Gamma Quadrant planet or two into the mix. If the Dominion stays neutral or defends its borders without joining a broader alliance, having characters in game mention this and state their opinions on this state of affairs would be sufficient to show the galactic sweep of events. And if the Dominion sides with the Iconians: Well, Crytpic better write that very convincingly; the Founders don’t seem interested in sharing power or godhood. And whatever Odo’s influence on them is, I don’t think it would make them more likely to favor the Iconians.

Whatever Cryptic does could be supplemented by Foundry missions, perhaps even a Foundry Challenge. The Foundry could fill things in even if Cryptic stays silent on the topic, but having Cryptic give the basics of how the Gamma Quadrant fits in the war would allow Foundry missions be fit together more harmoniously.

My hope is that Cryptic already has plans in this area, and that this post is just a confirmation that they’re doing the right thing. But if the Gamma Quadrant isn’t part of their plans for the war yet, I urge them to add it in. Without one quarter of the galaxy in some form, there will be something missing from this war.
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  • medalionemissarymedalionemissary Member Posts: 612 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    It's coming out tomorrow... I don't think they can just revamp it if it wasn't already apart of it to some degree

    Besides... i want a serious dedicated expansion for the Gamma quadrant, not to be apart of another story arc.

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  • spockout1spockout1 Member Posts: 314 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Agreed. DS9 and the Gamma Quadrant ought to be a full-up, well-done expansion.
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    medalionemissary wrote: »
    It's coming out tomorrow... I don't think they can just revamp it if it wasn't already apart of it to some degree

    Besides... i want a serious dedicated expansion for the Gamma quadrant, not to be apart of another story arc.

    To do DS9 justice.

    I also agree with this statement.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hauriant wrote: »
    With the Iconian War ramping up, I urge Cryptic not to forget the Gamma Quadrant. Include it, in some way, as a part of the war. I understand and approve the recent focus on Voyager and the Delta Quadrant. But the Iconians want to conquer all of the galaxy, not 3/4 of it. If the Gamma Quadrant in general and the Dominion in particular aren’t covered in some way, this war will feel incomplete.

    This wouldn’t require missions focusing on the Gamma Quadrant, although I certainly wouldn’t mind if Cryptic made some. If the Dominion joins the Grand Alliance we’re assembling (either officially or tacitly), having Changelings or Vorta at planning meetings or at least Jem’Hadar ships (not counting Lobi Consortium ones) in our fleets would show Gamma Quadrant involvement. In recent years, Crytpic has added random elements to queued events, like the Undine attacks on randomly chosen planets. If they make an Iconian equivalent to that queued event, they could add a Gamma Quadrant planet or two into the mix. If the Dominion stays neutral or defends its borders without joining a broader alliance, having characters in game mention this and state their opinions on this state of affairs would be sufficient to show the galactic sweep of events. And if the Dominion sides with the Iconians: Well, Crytpic better write that very convincingly; the Founders don’t seem interested in sharing power or godhood. And whatever Odo’s influence on them is, I don’t think it would make them more likely to favor the Iconians.

    Whatever Cryptic does could be supplemented by Foundry missions, perhaps even a Foundry Challenge. The Foundry could fill things in even if Cryptic stays silent on the topic, but having Cryptic give the basics of how the Gamma Quadrant fits in the war would allow Foundry missions be fit together more harmoniously.

    My hope is that Cryptic already has plans in this area, and that this post is just a confirmation that they’re doing the right thing. But if the Gamma Quadrant isn’t part of their plans for the war yet, I urge them to add it in. Without one quarter of the galaxy in some form, there will be something missing from this war.

    youre about half a year too late on your idea. but its not the fist time someone wants the gamma quadrant either.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The only thing "included" in the Iconian War is your "PVE-Queue-Lobby" ... so how about some "real" Alpha / Beta Quadrant Stuff first :P
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    As much as I wish this were possible, I think it is far too late for them to add something this significant to the Iconian War, as it is coming soon.
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  • haurianthauriant Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    I'm not asking them to include anything in tomorrow's release. But my understanding is that the entirety of the war isn't just what's being released tomorrow. That would be an underwhelming war against advanced beings. I believe Salami Inferno has spoken of the current storyline being something that will take most of the rest of the year to be released. My sense is that additional missions, queues, and other elements to the game will be added over time. And even if no mission focused on the Gamma Quadrant, including Gamma Quadrant elements (characters or mentions in dialogue) on the side and in the background should be doable without harming the missions. The entirety of the Gamma Quadrant isn't necessary. A full expansion can come later. But not even mentioning it, that will lead a hole in the story.

    I think Cryptic can do it over the coming months. I hope they choose to.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hauriant wrote: »
    I believe Salami Inferno has spoken of the current storyline being something that will take most of the rest of the year to be released. My sense is that additional missions, queues, and other elements to the game will be added over time.

    That's what they told us about the "Delta Quadrant" - Storyline ... better to manage your expectations ...
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hauriant wrote: »
    I'm not asking them to include anything in tomorrow's release. But my understanding is that the entirety of the war isn't just what's being released tomorrow.

    I know, and I'm not saying you are. But they develop content *months* ahead of it's actual release. So unless they have *already* done what you are asking for, there is probably not time to make it happen by the time this storyline ends. But hey, I'd love to be wrong.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hauriant wrote: »
    I'm not asking them to include anything in tomorrow's release. But my understanding is that the entirety of the war isn't just what's being released tomorrow. That would be an underwhelming war against advanced beings. I believe Salami Inferno has spoken of the current storyline being something that will take most of the rest of the year to be released. My sense is that additional missions, queues, and other elements to the game will be added over time. And even if no mission focused on the Gamma Quadrant, including Gamma Quadrant elements (characters or mentions in dialogue) on the side and in the background should be doable without harming the missions. The entirety of the Gamma Quadrant isn't necessary. A full expansion can come later. But not even mentioning it, that will lead a hole in the story.

    I think Cryptic can do it over the coming months. I hope they choose to.

    perhaps, but its almost half a year in and its very likely their next big content is probably almost done for testing and just waiting on the timetable for release. we got a summer event coming up and later on the winter event so sometime between then, likely latter part of autumn heading into winter months if i were to guess.

    if they choose to take the gamma quadrant, i would imagine the next few months is a good chance to try and find out if its possible.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    As much as I wish this were possible, I think it is far too late for them to add something this significant to the Iconian War, as it is coming soon.

    Nothing stopping them from doing a few prequel missions later on.

    Personally I want them to go back to the the 5 parter series. Throw in some stuff for species we see very little of.. (Tholians, Hirogen, Fehk'lr etc)

    Then maybe some more set before you deal with the Vaadwaur crazies... Maybe a few missions focused on the Malon, Benthans and Kazon?

    or...

    I would like to see a diplomatic themed mission... seems like this would be the time to get every power you can together to battle the Iconians... dump as many races you can into a room... (Maybe a few foundry races too? :P) and have everyone panicing over the arrival of the Iconian sphere.

    Maybe X race want to join the Iconians? while Y race is like.. "pfft, let's just blow up the sun." Then have Z race like... "Let's sacrifice Tovan Khev to our Iconian masters."
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Nothing stopping them from doing a few prequel missions later on.

    That's true. In fact, whenever they finally add the Cardassian faction, they are going to have to address this storyline from that perspective. So, as you said.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    That's true. In fact, whenever they finally add the Cardassian faction, they are going to have to address this storyline from that perspective. So, as you said.

    Off topic.

    Have I missed something? I've seen half a dozen threads about the Cardassian Faction? Has it been stated anywhere it's coming? or is it just speculation?
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Off topic.

    Have I missed something? I've seen half a dozen threads about the Cardassian Faction? Has it been stated anywhere it's coming? or is it just speculation?

    Some dev(Geko?) said it's eventually going to happen, just not commitment to when. I'll see if I can find a link to the interview this came from.
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  • teknesiateknesia Member Posts: 860 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    Some dev(Geko?) said it's eventually going to happen, just not commitment to when. I'll see if I can find a link to the interview this came from.

    I just can't see it happening because of all the lockboxes.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,162 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    teknesia wrote: »
    I just can't see it happening because of all the lockboxes.

    Make the Keldon the T5/U/6 ship with some other wacy designs and boom... the Galor can be a tier 3 ship. then if you want the T5/U ... you cry your way through the boxes.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    teknesia wrote: »
    I just can't see it happening because of all the lockboxes.

    Yes it is a bit of a bad situation Cryptic put themselves in, but nothing they can't fix. Here is how I would do it:

    A) keep the lock box ships better than the free ships you get with a Card faction(this one is pretty obvious).

    B) if someone has a lock box Card ship, give them 1 free choice of whatever Card ships they put in the zen store.
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  • haurianthauriant Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Cryptic has talked about how they adjust missions during development, even close to the end. And tiny things could do it. A single Vorta at a planning meeting (if there is one) with a word bubble that occasional pops up saying "The Founders say to help you." or "The Dominion will handle its own defense." or whatever it is. No voice acting, even. Or maybe just Jem'Hadar ships aiding the alliance in space battles. Sure, I'd love to see more, but even a tiny thing could provide the illusion.

    I won't say there's no work to putting those in. There could literally no place even to add something small without ruining something. And depending on animation for cut-scenes or the like, maybe that wouldn't work. But not everything happens with cut scenes. And even a post on the web site would be something. But I would be surprised if there were no practicable, workable, simple enough to pull off way for at least token inclusion.

    Cryptic knows. We're guessing based on incomplete information. A couple months ago, we didn't even know the war was this imminent. I only recently thought about this. I hope there's already a plan for some sort of Gamma Quadrant inclusion. If not, I hope there's time, opportunity, and interest on Cryptic's part for such inclusion. All I can do is suggest.
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    hauriant wrote: »
    Cryptic has talked about how they adjust missions during development, even close to the end. And tiny things could do it. A single Vorta at a planning meeting (if there is one) with a word bubble that occasional pops up saying "The Founders say to help you." or "The Dominion will handle its own defense." or whatever it is. No voice acting, even. Or maybe just Jem'Hadar ships aiding the alliance in space battles. Sure, I'd love to see more, but even a tiny thing could provide the illusion.

    Ok then, I admit that would probably be pretty easy and do-able.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited April 2015
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    That's what they told us about the "Delta Quadrant" - Storyline ... better to manage your expectations ...

    Indeed.

    In fairness, though, I get the sense that we are *still* very much in the Delta Quadrant for this story... and, if the Kremin show up... shoot, the second episode dropping tomorrow is called "Delta Flight." Without knowing spoilers, I think it's safe to assume that it'll take place in the DQ.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    Yes it is a bit of a bad situation Cryptic put themselves in, but nothing they can't fix. Here is how I would do it:

    A) keep the lock box ships better than the free ships you get with a Card faction(this one is pretty obvious).

    B) if someone has a lock box Card ship, give them 1 free choice of whatever Card ships they put in the zen store.

    Step 1: Give current Galor a special prefix like "Prototype Galor".

    Step 2: Release subsequent Cardassian ship as "Advanced Galor".

    Step 3: Profit.

    ---

    Seriously, with all the double-dipping Cryptic has been banking on, why people seem to think something like a lockbox ship is going to stand in their way of monetizing the hell out of a Cardassian faction, I have no idea.

    They have absolutely no issue making people rebuy the same ships they already own by making it just a little bit better. They're going to do the same with the Cardassian faction ships, and a bunch of us are going to eat it all up and forget the lockbox edition Cardassian Galor ever existed in the first place.

    Add enough bells and whistles to Cardassian ships, and watch the selective amnesia run rampant.
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  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    As much as I wish this were possible, I think it is far too late for them to add something this significant to the Iconian War, as it is coming soon.

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  • captainhunter1captainhunter1 Member Posts: 1,630 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    To the OP, don't worry the Gamma Quadrant will be included in the Iconian War.

    Think of Season 10 as 'Part 1' of the War. Up until now it's all been a prelude.

    The Devs have said that "sacrifices will be made" which bodes ill for how things will go for us in 'Part 1' of the war.

    'Part 2' (or 3 or 4) will see the inclusion of the Gamma Quadrant powers (mainly the Dominion) in the fight to finally stop the Iconians.

    And even with the Dominion fighting along side us, it may still take the intervention of the Prophets, Q, Organians, etc. to bring the conflict to an end...
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    The Iconians wont invade the Gamma Quadrant till they conquered the Alpha/Beta powers likely...like suggested by Sphere of Influence.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,166 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    lianthelia wrote: »
    The Iconians wont invade the Gamma Quadrant till they conquered the Alpha/Beta powers likely...like suggested by Sphere of Influence.

    Which gives the Gamma races a motivation to stop them in the Alpha/Beta quadrants, before they can get to their front door.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    Which gives the Gamma races a motivation to stop them in the Alpha/Beta quadrants, before they can get to their front door.

    Maybe Rene Auberjonois is waiting for the check from Cryptic to clear.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,887 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    thegrandnagus1 wrote: »
    Which gives the Gamma races a motivation to stop them in the Alpha/Beta quadrants, before they can get to their front door.

    If they even know...or maybe they're so full of themselves of their superiority? Maybe they don't want to get involved in another war where they could potentially be cut off from reinforcements?
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  • lucho80lucho80 Member Posts: 6,600 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    I view the sector revamp as a prelude to adding the Gamma quadrant into the map. Anyway, they must have in their plans redoing the horrible Cardassian episodes and adding the Gamma quadrant and the Dominion into the mix.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    If not part of the war. But perhaps part of something else in the future. I would like to see more of that area. And some more of our own 2 main areas, Alpha and Beta.
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    mhall85 wrote: »
    ...shoot, the second episode dropping tomorrow is called "Delta Flight." Without knowing spoilers, I think it's safe to assume that it'll take place in the DQ.

    I took 'flight' to mean retreat... As in the Iconians launch the initial invasion in the Delta Quadrant, forcing the Alliance to withdraw...
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