This is certainly not a new idea, but I haven't seen it discussed in a while so here it is: why not introduce some kind of official incentive/bonus/whatever for playing all 3 factions?
Cryptic benefits because people are more likely to buy KDF and Rom ships if they are actually playing KDF and Rom characters.
Players benefit from whatever the incentive/bonus/whatever is.
Everybody wins, and it promotes more play on factions that do not get played as much as the Feds. Why hasn't this happened already? :P
Yeah, KDF and Rom needs more ships to fill in some gaps to make those factions more playable; namely science vessels. The Federation should not have a monopoly on faction specific science vessels.
Yeah, KDF and Rom needs more ships to fill in some gaps to make those factions more playable; namely science vessels. The Federation should not have a monopoly on faction specific science vessels.
While that is not at all what I actually am talking about, more people playing those factions probably would encourage them to create more ships for those factions, so that would hopefully help that problem.
I don't know. Maybe some kind of account unlocks like the Delta event featured. Maybe some kind of starship trait. There are endless possibilities Cryptic could come up with. And it would only be to their benefit for the reasons already mentioned.
I suppose part of the problem is when most people think of Star Trek they think about the Federation rather than Klingons or Romulans. I assume players tend to gravitate towards what they are more familiar with. The 1st captain I created was a Fed Engineer, but I did create a KDF Tactical about 3 weeks later. My 3rd captain was a Romulan Scientist about 3 or 4 months later.
One thing I could see working is if they were to implement a fleet alliance systems where you can create groups of fleets and have a cross-fleet-cross faction holding where the tier of that holding is representative of the profress of an ally fleet of another faction starbase.
This might make people want to complete a KDF base just to advance their federation fleet.
I suppose part of the problem is when most people think of Star Trek they think about the Federation rather than Klingons or Romulans. I assume players tend to gravitate towards what they are more familiar with. The 1st captain I created was a Fed Engineer, but I did create a KDF Tactical about 3 weeks later. My 3rd captain was a Romulan Scientist about 3 or 4 months later.
NO doubt, Star Trek is a Federation oriented story. And that is not a "problem" per say, it is simply what it is. But that is no reason *not* to encourage playing all factions.
I don't know. Maybe some kind of account unlocks like the Delta event featured. Maybe some kind of starship trait. There are endless possibilities Cryptic could come up with. And it would only be to their benefit for the reasons already mentioned.
Players who have two delta recruits of different factions get a minimum of 5 more account wide unlocks than those with just one. Those with one of each faction get nine or ten additional account wide unlocks.
Having one of each faction remains the only way to experience all the game content, though it is true there is very little you can't experience via teaming.
Having multiple characters multiplies the value of account wide unlocks and rewards, so making them be of different factions increases that benefit already.
The only way to enforce this incentive would be to truly split the three factions and make them unique enough to want to play. For example, Klingons should be the only faction able to posses Battlecruisers (remove the Federation Avenger, that's a Klingon ship).
Further deductions? Remove the playable Klingon from the Federation side. If people want to play as a Klingon, they should go Red, not Blue. Raiders should be specific to Klingons, as the Battlecloak is specific to the Romulans.
If Cryptic wanted to get creative, then maybe Alpha Jem Hadar (those honourable) would have joined the KDF instead of the True Way, and thus anyone wanting to play as a Jem Hadar would automatically have gone redside.
When you consider that each Factions' missions unify in the early level 30s there is not a lot of inventive to play all 3 Factions. There is, maybe 10 hours of unique /played Content before everyone is doing the same Cardassians, Borg, STFs, etc - and all of end-game is the same. Even with Rep Tokens and such there is not a lot of incentive to take several characters through all the grinds to 60.
It would need to be a fairly big incentive to get me to grind 3 characters through all the Reps, Specializations, etc.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
When you consider that each Factions' missions unify in the early level 30s there is not a lot of inventive to play all 3 Factions. There is, maybe 10 hours of unique /played Content before everyone is doing the same Cardassians, Borg, STFs, etc - and all of end-game is the same. Even with Rep Tokens and such there is not a lot of incentive to take several characters through all the grinds to 60.
And this, in my opinion is where Cryptic went wrong. It's no wonder really why people only stick with one faction if all the endgame content is the same.
An "incentive" called 3 different story lines, 3 different versions of the game... no?
Unfortunately, that's also three times the work, and it's obvious to all (or at least, it should be); Cryptic just don't have that large enough a team.
An "incentive" called 3 different story lines, 3 different versions of the game... no?
Not really because you do not need to buy a ship to do story content. and if I do anything on the kdf it would be getting contraband to my fed. Even the delta recruits event was used for that. I do 3 toons and I get 21k dil on all my fed toons and the others and pump that dil to the fed toon.
This is why the only thing I can see working is to use the alliance to the advantage of the other factions. Want a new shiney on the fed then level up your kdf base. Oh don't like leveling up your kdf base with your freebie gear then theres the c-store. Oh you have a t5 kdf base now and it is allied to your fed base now you can buy special cross faction items.
1) you don't have to be a squishy pink-skin (or other Federation lackey)
2) you don't have to be a wrinkle-headed, knuckle dragger
3) you don't have to be a pointy-eared, ne'er-do-well.
If you get tired of one, play one of the others for a while. That's incentive enough for me.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
If you get tired of one, play one of the others for a while. That's incentive enough for me.
That's cool, so that means if Cryptic does decide to add additional incentives, you can simply choose not to use/claim them. No one should force anything on you that you don't want
Here is a thought for incentives for playing all three Factions - all Ships for all three Factions on your account automatically get inherent Enhanced Battle Cloaks, the equivalent CritH/CritD of FOUR SROs inherent beyond what Boffs provide, an inherent Plasmonic Leach not requiring a Console, and all Federation Tier 5 Ship Masteries.
I would say this is in no way game breaking at all :rolleyes:.
Each Faction must have at least one Character at Level 50.
Nope, just a small incentive indeed.
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'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It's pretty borked as it is. Is a new shiny going to make you suddenly want to play Kringle, or Rom? Maybe a for a while, but I'm guessing the novelty will wear off. Then, you'll go back to what you always do anyway, assuming they haven't "improved" them and made those things you used to enjoy doing unplayable now. Which has never happened.
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true. Except for a T5 Connie. That would be f*%#ing awesome." - Mr. Spock
whats wrong with storylines as an incentive, players are always begging for more content and exploration, feds, kdfs and roms all have their own story lines with unique missions and maps to explore that the others cannot play, sure some missions are played by all factions but that doesn't alter the fact that any player who doesn't play all 3 factions is missing a lot of content.
Having one of each faction remains the only way to experience all the game content, though it is true there is very little you can't experience via teaming.
have you actually ever tried teaming a fed or fed/rom with a kdf or kdf/rom?
it doesn't work and even when it does with feds and fed/roms for example its only for the missions that can be played by both characters.
when you add it all together, what can only be played by feds, what can only be played by kdfs and what can only be played by roms, theres just loads of content you will never see if you don't have all 3 factions covered.
When you consider that each Factions' missions unify in the early level 30s there is not a lot of inventive to play all 3 Factions. There is, maybe 10 hours of unique /played Content before everyone is doing the same Cardassians, Borg, STFs, etc - and all of end-game is the same. Even with Rep Tokens and such there is not a lot of incentive to take several characters through all the grinds to 60.
It would need to be a fairly big incentive to get me to grind 3 characters through all the Reps, Specializations, etc.
so are you saying you have only 1 character, if you have more and they are of the same faction you have taken characters through the grind to 60 just the same grind, at least by playing different factions you have some variety.
and then in any case there are players out there that have 3 characters and often more but still not from all 3 factions.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
It's pretty borked as it is. Is a new shiny going to make you suddenly want to play Kringle, or Rom? Maybe a for a while, but I'm guessing the novelty will wear off. Then, you'll go back to what you always do anyway, assuming they haven't "improved" them and made those things you used to enjoy doing unplayable now. Which has never happened.
You seem opposed to this idea for no real reason. As stated in the OP, this can only make Cryptic more money, and would give players something they might want to use. If you don't want to use it, no one would make you. So what exactly is your opposition based on? It might not make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things? So what? Let Cryptic make their more money on ship sales and let the people who *would* want some incentive have one.
If you have played and completed every mission from all three factions on three separate non-Delta recruit characters, then one character from each faction ca each claim One free character bound fleet or T5u upgrade Token, and all characters on the account receive the optional character title "Good Listener" and a character trait that makes them far less susceptible to surprise or flanking attacks. This ability shall be called, "Been there, Done That."
This unique ability is applicable both on ground and in space, in space it will negate some of the bonus damage enemy vessels gain from the decloaking immediately before an attack.
Thanks for the Advanced Light Cruiser, Allied Escort Bundles, Jem-Hadar Light Battlecruiser, and Mek'leth
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T6 updates for the Kamarag & Vor'Cha
Heavy Cruiser & a Movie Era Style AoY Utility Cruiser
Because every time we create an incentive to do something, it is taken as law, and seen as Cryptic 'forcing' players to do something?
/CynicalTaco
I get your point, but are you going to base your development on what reasonable people think or on what unreasonable people think?
Unless you guys never plan to do another Delta Recruitment type event, then I think it's safe to say there will be plenty of things that offer incentives in the future. I'm simply asking for one related to playing all 3 factions.
A big one for me is grouping. Id like to see the option to group my kink side with fed buddies on stuff that the game will put us together in anyway. Like dinosaur land and beat up on the space snowflake.
Something that Id really like to see happen on the romulans is that they get access to the costumes from the faction they join and remove the faction haircut lockout. From what I remember that was a planned thing that got removed do to some not liking the idea of allowing allied romulans access to their own factions fashion accessories, frankly it seems silly. Yes you can have access to the best fed and kink weapons but not a pair of leather boots or on the flip side a fed cant get access to romulan haircuts. As it turns out only romulans have learned the art of cutting hair in that particular way and its one of their most guarded secrets not unlike the feds shoe cobbling secrets.
One other point in response to Taco's post: it really doesn't matter what people say, it only matters what your *numbers* say. Regardless of all the complaints about the Delta Recruitment event, your numbers show you whether it was successful or not. Therefore your decisions about future incentive programs should be based on how the previous one's performed statistically, not how they were received on message boards. Of course, I know you already know this, but it's still worth saying.
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While that is not at all what I actually am talking about, more people playing those factions probably would encourage them to create more ships for those factions, so that would hopefully help that problem.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I don't know. Maybe some kind of account unlocks like the Delta event featured. Maybe some kind of starship trait. There are endless possibilities Cryptic could come up with. And it would only be to their benefit for the reasons already mentioned.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
This might make people want to complete a KDF base just to advance their federation fleet.
NO doubt, Star Trek is a Federation oriented story. And that is not a "problem" per say, it is simply what it is. But that is no reason *not* to encourage playing all factions.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Players who have two delta recruits of different factions get a minimum of 5 more account wide unlocks than those with just one. Those with one of each faction get nine or ten additional account wide unlocks.
Having one of each faction remains the only way to experience all the game content, though it is true there is very little you can't experience via teaming.
Having multiple characters multiplies the value of account wide unlocks and rewards, so making them be of different factions increases that benefit already.
There are already in place some good incentives.
That said, sure I'll take more. ^.^
Further deductions? Remove the playable Klingon from the Federation side. If people want to play as a Klingon, they should go Red, not Blue. Raiders should be specific to Klingons, as the Battlecloak is specific to the Romulans.
If Cryptic wanted to get creative, then maybe Alpha Jem Hadar (those honourable) would have joined the KDF instead of the True Way, and thus anyone wanting to play as a Jem Hadar would automatically have gone redside.
It would need to be a fairly big incentive to get me to grind 3 characters through all the Reps, Specializations, etc.
Unfortunately, that's also three times the work, and it's obvious to all (or at least, it should be); Cryptic just don't have that large enough a team.
I'm not saying they shouldn't...I love my Roms...but they just wont do it when all the care about is Feds.
Sure, but if adding some additional incentive gets more people to play KDF and ROM, that's great too. No?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Not really because you do not need to buy a ship to do story content. and if I do anything on the kdf it would be getting contraband to my fed. Even the delta recruits event was used for that. I do 3 toons and I get 21k dil on all my fed toons and the others and pump that dil to the fed toon.
This is why the only thing I can see working is to use the alliance to the advantage of the other factions. Want a new shiney on the fed then level up your kdf base. Oh don't like leveling up your kdf base with your freebie gear then theres the c-store. Oh you have a t5 kdf base now and it is allied to your fed base now you can buy special cross faction items.
The shoot-to-kill run-and-gun story line makes a lot more sense from the KDF side of the game.
1) you don't have to be a squishy pink-skin (or other Federation lackey)
2) you don't have to be a wrinkle-headed, knuckle dragger
3) you don't have to be a pointy-eared, ne'er-do-well.
If you get tired of one, play one of the others for a while. That's incentive enough for me.
That's cool, so that means if Cryptic does decide to add additional incentives, you can simply choose not to use/claim them. No one should force anything on you that you don't want
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I would say this is in no way game breaking at all :rolleyes:.
Each Faction must have at least one Character at Level 50.
Nope, just a small incentive indeed.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
It's pretty borked as it is. Is a new shiny going to make you suddenly want to play Kringle, or Rom? Maybe a for a while, but I'm guessing the novelty will wear off. Then, you'll go back to what you always do anyway, assuming they haven't "improved" them and made those things you used to enjoy doing unplayable now. Which has never happened.
have you actually ever tried teaming a fed or fed/rom with a kdf or kdf/rom?
it doesn't work and even when it does with feds and fed/roms for example its only for the missions that can be played by both characters.
when you add it all together, what can only be played by feds, what can only be played by kdfs and what can only be played by roms, theres just loads of content you will never see if you don't have all 3 factions covered.
so are you saying you have only 1 character, if you have more and they are of the same faction you have taken characters through the grind to 60 just the same grind, at least by playing different factions you have some variety.
and then in any case there are players out there that have 3 characters and often more but still not from all 3 factions.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
You seem opposed to this idea for no real reason. As stated in the OP, this can only make Cryptic more money, and would give players something they might want to use. If you don't want to use it, no one would make you. So what exactly is your opposition based on? It might not make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things? So what? Let Cryptic make their more money on ship sales and let the people who *would* want some incentive have one.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Because every time we create an incentive to do something, it is taken as law, and seen as Cryptic 'forcing' players to do something?
/CynicalTaco
This unique ability is applicable both on ground and in space, in space it will negate some of the bonus damage enemy vessels gain from the decloaking immediately before an attack.
I always thought it would be cool rather than a PURE incentive to have something tradeable between the factions that can be posted on the exchange.
If you don't want to play all three, you don't have to. If your faction is underplayed, you get a natural market advantage on the three piece item.
I get your point, but are you going to base your development on what reasonable people think or on what unreasonable people think?
Unless you guys never plan to do another Delta Recruitment type event, then I think it's safe to say there will be plenty of things that offer incentives in the future. I'm simply asking for one related to playing all 3 factions.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Something that Id really like to see happen on the romulans is that they get access to the costumes from the faction they join and remove the faction haircut lockout. From what I remember that was a planned thing that got removed do to some not liking the idea of allowing allied romulans access to their own factions fashion accessories, frankly it seems silly. Yes you can have access to the best fed and kink weapons but not a pair of leather boots or on the flip side a fed cant get access to romulan haircuts. As it turns out only romulans have learned the art of cutting hair in that particular way and its one of their most guarded secrets not unlike the feds shoe cobbling secrets.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008