Would a sub be worth it at this point?

herbiehdykeman

I have been in this game since it went f2p

Question:My Primary character is lvl 60 with 14 BOFFS, raised EC cap and minimum account bank access..what changes would I expect on my primary character if I were to go to a subscription for a few months?

mirrorchaos

would a sub be worth it at this point? only you can answer that for yourself, has this game really appealed to you? is it fun, does it provide a great deal of joy being on every hour? if it ticks all those boxes, you dont need anyone else to tell you otherwise if you think it can give you more happineness. sub benefits are not much different from free players.

might i suggest if you really are looking to sub that you go after the life time sub when a sale is offered by cryptic, while it maybe expensive in the short term, in the long term it is significantly cheaper then heaping money into each month. just put some of those pennies into a jar out of sight each month and then buy it when it comes and you have enough pennies.

give this a good read before you decide.

dirlettia

For a fully leveled character the only changes would be the acquisition of Veteran awards as they unlocked. Having a sub is generally better at the new character stage so you get the respec tokens and extra inventory spaces.

Veteran rewards: http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/3026853

If something is of value though is something only you can decide.

duncanidaho11

Long term? Probably not (compare the effective cost of veteran rewards with their C-store counterparts.)

Short term? Yes, it can be. The various account bonuses stick around even after you drop your subscription so if you're hurting for bank/inventory/account bank/boff space sub'ing for a month is a very economical way of upgrading all of your existing chacters (versus buying/grinding for all those account/character upgrades individually). Then there's the 500 zen stipend and, if you're leveling, character respec tokens. Those add to the package.

It all depends on what you want/need/can afford but despite how cheap-skate friendly STO is there are still reasons for why you might want to go gold. Up to you, but I for one don't regret it.

thecosmic1

I have never found much reason to be Gold in STO once it went FTP. You get access to all the playable Content as a Silver and most of the other decent perks - like Account Bank, Boff Slots, and EC limit - can be purchased from the C-Store if you are wanting more. Just spend the $15.00 a month on Zen and buy what you want.

herbiehdykeman

I'm mainly wondering if I would pick up the boff slots I missed out on by not being gold for all my characters, not just my main.

duncanidaho11

herbiehdykeman wrote: »

I'm mainly wondering if I would pick up the boff slots I missed out on by not being gold for all my characters, not just my main.

Yes you would. All subscription account bonsuses are unlocked for all your characters, not just your main, when you gold gold (though you may still need to log into each one to confirm that yes, you do have massively more space in your inventory and some extra space in your Boff roster.) The exception is that one tied to character progress (respec tokens.)

thatcursedwolf

Subs, in my opinion, really only make sense while you're leveling captains for the respec tokens.

dandalen

A sub at this point would be throwing your money out the window.
reason why the stability of the game is severly lacking.
Lots of people cant log in and if they do they dont stay connected very long at all.

I would not buy a sub until they fix some serious issues with the game I would go as far to say I won't be buying any Zen or anything else untill things are fixed.

mustrumridcully0

dandalen wrote: »

A sub at this point would be throwing your money out the window.
reason why the stability of the game is severly lacking.
Lots of people cant log in and if they do they dont stay connected very long at all.

I would not buy a sub until they fix some serious issues with the game I would go as far to say I won't be buying any Zen or anything else untill things are fixed.

Whether the sub is worth it to him is not really dependent on whether other people can log in - important is if he can. And it's short-sighted to only take into account temporary problems and issues.


But I think it's not really worth it indepedent of that. There aren't that may subscriber perks IMO.

The veteran rewards might be neat, but also not critical. And for those, it would probably better to get a lifetime subscription.

I think my lifetime subscription bought 4 years ago or so probably payed off by now, and maybe one bought now will also pay off in the end. But a regular sub? Seems better to just spend 10-15 $ on Zen each month. (Or maybe 60-120 a year during a Zen sale?)

flash525

If you're going to utilize multiple characters and a fair number of them, then yes, definitely. If you already own multiple characters, or otherwise have no interest in owning multiple characters, then no, I wouldn't bother.

herbiehdykeman

for what it's worth i have a total of 20 characters

saboreth

I've been for about four years, and I've loved it. But as someone else has said, YMMV. It's entirely subjective. It's really about how you frame your experience of the game.

jaguarskx

I subbed last year for 1 month to get the Account Bank as well as the bonus bank inventory and personal inventory slots as well as some captain retrain tokens. This was prior to Delta Rising.

Basically for every rank your toon levels up he/she gets 6 bank and personal inventory slots. At level 50 that means 30 bank inventory slots (not to be confused with Account Bank slots) and 30 personal
inventory slots for free. This is retroactive so my toons that already were level 50 got all the additional slots. Purchasing bank inventory slots for each toon will set you back 300 Zen for 12 slots. Purchasing personal inventory slots for each toon will set you back 400 Zen for 12 slots.

I would imagine since the level has increased to 60, a level 60 toon will get a total of 36 bank inventory slots and 36 personal inventory slots. Assuming that a player has 20 toons all leveled to 60 the player will get at total of 720 bank inventory slots and 720 personal inventory slots throughout the entire account. The value of those inventory slots far exceeds the $15 monthly subscription fee.

Captain retrain tokens are only rewarded when you accept your promotion and the are not retroactive. This is why after reaching level 50 I have not accepted my promotions for any of my toons. I am holding off on accepting my promotion until I sub again.

I plan on subbing for another month because I have created new captains since the last time I subbed; for example my Delta Recruit. When I am ready to sub my newer captains should get instantly max out on bank / personal inventory slots and I hope my older captains gain another 6 of each because they are level 60 now. Not to mention captain retrain tokens when I finally accept my promotions.

hypl

It's ultimately up to you how you value your dollar. But if you're seeking recommendations, I highly advise against subbing until Cryptic gets their act together regarding the game's future.

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duncanidaho11

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Only an utter moron spends 15 bucks on a sub to get 5 bucks in zen.

There's other account bonuses as well and if you compare the cost of adding equivalent bank, boff, and inventory space for N characters you can quickly find yourself with more stuff with just one month of gold than 1,500 zen will get you. Is that worth it? Depends on how much you want the space. The point is that insulting people who fell on the side of "well, yes it is" is pretty asinine.

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duncanidaho11

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Which is why people should get the LTS if they value the perks a gold member gets.

The perks are permanent. Gold for one month? More space for all those characters until the end of STO. That's $15 for the perks (minus the vet rewards and stipend) versus $300.

jaguarskx

duncanidaho11 wrote: »

The perks are permanent. Gold for one month? More space for all those characters until the end of STO. That's $15 for the perks (minus the vet rewards and stipend) versus $300.

Just to clarify, there is one perk that is not permanent when the monthly subscription is cancels and that is the EC Cap Remover.

When subbing the 10 million EC Cap is bumped up to 1 billion EC. When subbing ends the cap drops back down to 10 million EC so players with more than 10 million EC cannot earn anymore EC until it drops below 10 million. However, purchasing the EC Cap Remover from the C-Store either before subbing or after subbing will boost the cap limit to 1 billion EC.

jorantomalak

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Which is why people should get the LTS if they value the perks a gold member gets.

The most rabid LTS haters are usually monthlies from back in the days when the game was sub based who insulted and derided people for buying an LTS because the game was gonna shut down before they ever got their monies worth.

We've even seen some of those same monthlies whining that they should get a free upgrade to LTS because they realize how stupid they were for subbing for 34 months and spending over $500 bucks to get the rewards and now regret not buying an LTS years ago for only $200-$300 and using the rest of that money buying Zen.

Jesus H Christ 200-300 dollars??!!

who the hell has that type of cash to blow on a game not me thats who way to expensive maybe im just a practicle man but thats far to expensive for an MMO Life sub.

Ive seen games with lifetime subs that cost far less then this one no i would rather not spend that much on a game.

money like that is better used for food clothes and the essentials of everyday life.

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jaguarskx

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Not sure you can buy it while subbed. As I recall some people have complained that they had to wait for the sub to run out before they could buy it.

Which is why I stated before subbing or after subbing. The EC Cap Remover should not be available while subbing because during that time the EC limit is 1 billion EC.

jorantomalak

deokkent wrote: »

I see your point, but you get the money back sooner or later. Put it on a credit card :P.

For some people, 200$ doesn't even come close to 1% of their entire disposable income. There are real millionaires in this game.

well its hard for me to understand how anyone can just throw away large amounts like that without a care in the world.

If i spent 200-300 dollars on a lifetime sub i wouldnt have a home to live in let alone would have no internet to play the game.

I just dont get how people can be so wastefull

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starkaos

jorantomalak wrote: »

well its hard for me to understand how anyone can just throw away large amounts like that without a care in the world.

If i spent 200-300 dollars on a lifetime sub i wouldnt have a home to live in let alone would have no internet to play the game.

I just dont get how people can be so wastefull

There are far worse addictions out there than MMOs. When people finally wise up and live more of their life in the real world, there is none of the physical and psychological issues to recover from that other addictions have.

bobbydazlers

personally if I was a silver player at this point if I was contemplating anything it would be a lifetime sub, the game has been going from strength to strength with more and more stuff to do all the time, having said that as always wait for the next sale there should be one up soon, subbing for 3 months is fine if that's all you want but just think how much better it would be to get a LTS.

if you look at this wiki break down of subscriptions with the perceived value of rewards.

http://sto.gamepedia.com/User:Eklinaar/Subscriber_benefits_breakdown

the bottom line is the best value for money purchase is LTS at sale price, if you have Two character paying for itself in just 5 months and if you have more characters paying for itself instantly.

If you purchased your lifetime subscription at the sale price of $200, then the assumed value is 20000 Zen, and the break even points are.
Two capped character after just 5 months of stipend, Three or more capped characters before receiving any stipends at all.
but you are the one that has to spend the money so the choice is yours.

it all depends if you believe the game will last long enough to enjoy the benefits of a LTS, personally I believe it will.

mustrumridcully0

jorantomalak wrote: »

well its hard for me to unerstand how anyone can just throw away large amounts like that without a care in the world.

If i spent 200-300 dollars on a lifetime sub i wouldnt have a home to live in let alone would have no internet to play the game.

I just dont get how people can be so wastefull

Well, everyone has to deal with the limitations of his own budget. If you can't spend 200 $ at a time, you better hope you're not forced to spend 10 $ monthly for 3+ years.

But think about people that go out each weekend and spend 20 $ on drinks! Once drunk, that drink is gone, its effect may be lasting a few hours. The lifetime subscription is still around. The game is still around.


But remember, if you consider an LTS, wait for a sale! Even if it takes all year.

bobbydazlers

anyone who cant afford $200 for a lifetime sub must be in a really bad way, I have not got the best job in the world, in fact only just above minimum wage but I can still afford to save a little every now and then for the things I want but don't need.
you need to be able to spend a little every now and then on things you enjoy or lifes not worth living, I could spend more then $200 on a day out with the kids or going to see a show at the theatre with the misses and a lifetime sub will last a lot longer then either of those.