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dratikus
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During the episode Mind Game - the mission"Not Feeling Like Yourself" is awful. I hate being forced to make the wrong choices while I can clearly hear my friend guiding me and urging me to make the right choices. I stopped playing my Romulan character at that point. Being given the choices to resist and succeeding much like Picard did would have been better. I believe in making ethical and moral choices, and since I am not allowed to, my only other choice is to stop playing.
This is just my feedback on the mission. Your opinions may be different.
This is just my feedback on the mission. Your opinions may be different.
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You are looking at it wrong. They used Borg tech and Elachi methods to control you. Its called indoctrination for a reason. They've basically forced you to think like them, and even though you can't win against it without help (with Khimek provides), you still resist.
Once it's over, you can go right back to fighting the Tal Shiar and making them pay for what they've done.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
indoctrination isnt about making a person do something against their will, its about making a person willing to do anything you ask.
Thought that was mildly amusing too even more so if you resist. My nephew played the mission and I got to hear him yell "NOT THE BUNNIES" as they got vaporized lol. He enjoyed making his cousins and his younger sister watch as he tried and tried to save them to no avail.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Then, the finale of the mission itself. You are given an in character decision: based on what you went through, do you pity the talshiar and wish to protect others so they don't experience the same, or do you hate hakeev and wish to get revenge? And your decision gives you a different buff.
Its really an excellent mission.
I've always been curious to know, given the events of mind games, and knowing he suffered the same thing, how many people who took the protect others option in mind games, took pity on slamek in coliseum and how many wished they could kill him for betraying you. Thus showing they should have chosen the get revenge option.
not to mention depending on if you resisted or gave in you get an accolade on top of the free trait.
the OP really is wildly missing the point... on top of everything else mentioned here it also served to show exactly how cartoonishly two-dimensional... errr I mean despicable and thoroughly corrupt your opponents were. I was intended to show you, there was nothing redeemable about your opponents and to establish why you must win against these nefarious villains! *mustache twirl* It also serves to hand cryptic a carte blanche for why all of the npc Tal Shiar are equally despicable, and that the number of potentially redeemable members of this organization could be counted on an amputee's fingers.
shown to be just as 2 dimensional in TNG and DS9 if I remember correctly.
You sir need professional help. People who laugh at the painful deaths of harmless animals tend to have all sorts of psychological problems.
Perhaps that's why you like the Tal Shiar. You can relate.
I have to say tolmarius might be on to something ...
If you resist to your best, it does give a nod to Picard with an accolade, and then if you keep going a little longer, you get freed and blow the heck out of some Tal Shiar forces systematically.
That said, I understand where you're coming from. It's one of the most effective single episodes in the game in my opinion, with your mounting frustration and fear, and it uses the 'action button' items very effectively. It's probably the most emotionally intense moment for the Romulan captain.
If you can keep going.... It should be noted the next Romulan specific arc is entitled 'Vengeance' for a reason. Mind Game's a tide changer with the character at the lowest ebb - Hakeev's on the defensive from here in.
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no... no one was that two-dimensional in TNG and DS9, not even romulans. Hell one shot characters tended to have more depth than STO's Tal Shiar. Also, making 90% of the mission one epic long cutscene wouldnt have provided you the intended(and strangely well executed) frustration of trying to fight a loosing battle in your mind.
Like others have said, I thought it was relatively effective at getting me engaged in the story, at really amping up my hatred of Hakeev.
That said, I don't think most Romulans would have too much problem nuking some bunnies. We tend to be a practical people - not a lot of tree-hugging.
--Red Annorax
Not if it serves a purpose, no. But fits of laughter over the pointless deaths of creatures that couldnt harm you if they tried is indicative of a psychopathic personality.
Yeah I love you too tolmarius
The whole scene was funny enough, but what really made me laugh was imagining the epohh lady's reaction if she saw that.
And correction: I don't relate to the Tal Shiar (both after what I've seen them become), but my loyalty remains with the Romulan Star Empire.
Glad you saw the humor. Wasn't sure you'd catch it. So...I have two questions.
1. Why does the death of harmless, inoffensive animals make you laugh?
2. Why do you like the Star Empire? I like it too, but probably not the same one. Or the same era, rather.
This particular mission... yeah, that stuck with me. It was deeply unsettling, and left me feeling pretty terrible afterwards. But it did so in the same way that several Trek episodes have affected me in the past. It was something more real, and wasn't sugar-coated for a happy pew-pew MMO. Much of the LoR storyline, yeah I feel they really started to hit home with bringing some real Trek depth to the game - the light, and the dark.
I hated this mission - and that's why I appreciate it.
They're not real, you know. It's no different than the death of Jar Jar Binks would be in Star Wars.
"Critics who say that the optimistic utopia Star Trek depicted is now outmoded forget the cultural context that gave birth to it: Star Trek was not a manifestation of optimism when optimism was easy. Star Trek declared a hope for a future that nobody stuck in the present could believe in. For all our struggles today, we haven’t outgrown the need for stories like Star Trek. We need tales of optimism, of heroes, of courage and goodness now as much as we’ve ever needed them."
-Thomas Marrone
Their fictionality is irrelavent. I would ask the same of laughter at the death of ewoks or cartoon bunnies.
Agreed. It's more about the intent behind the plot point.
Doing all of these questionable acts is supposed to make you feel remorseful, and powerless. It's a plot point designed to evoke a certain emotional response, just like anything else in a movie, a book, etc.
1. Payback for all those times I had to run around the worst Adventure Zone in the game and tag them. Oh, no, those little devils are FAR from innocent. They enjoy watching me suffer.
2. I like the Star Empire because it is very reminiscent of the Galactic Empire from Star Wars: once it was the central power. Was it corrupt to the core? Undoubtedly, and it was not by any means free from reproach. But despite all of that, it still managed to keep its citizens safe and secure for hundreds of years. It remained strong because even if the people hated it, they knew there was no other means to maintain safety and security among the member worlds. The overwhelming majority of those in the military truly believed the (albeit idealistic) idea that by doing their part as loyal members of the Empire they could make a difference to their people. I would also venture to say that at the outset many if not all of the Tal Shiar truly believed that their efforts would help reduce the corruption in the government and military.
All of that changed after Hobus. The Tal Shiar had been slowly building power over the centuries, realizing that if they could not stop the corruption they could use and control it to meet their ends. Hobus set them back though, and in this void it seemed initially as if the Empire was turning over a new leaf: Donatra was now in control, and the more oppressive elements of the Empire were being lifted, while still keeping the governmental structure overall intact. Then Donatra was removed from play and the Tal Shiar made its move. By remaining allied with the Star Empire, they hoped to create a unified terror regime that would take back what was theirs by force.
However, in time the Star Empire realized it was being used and broke free. Now facing war on multiple fronts: the Tal Shiar, Federation, Klingon Empire, as well as the newly formed Romulan Republic; the Star Empire cannot hold out much longer. It has 2 choicesadapt or die.
You see, I don't care if there are Romulans that want to be part of the Republic. All we want is recognition as our own sovereign state. However, for that to happen the current leadership has to realize that this can no longer survive as the pre-Hobus Empire. Donatra was taking strides in the right direction, all we need to do is pick up where she left off.
1. I'm sorry. You weren't aware that tagging eppohs was completely optional? Has Obisek asked you to fetch a bucket of deflector grease or green oil for the starboard running lights yet? Be careful. He's a prankster.
2. As for this point, I believe that the service of most of the common Romulan soldiers was due more to an ingrained sense of duty to the Romulan people (a virtue inspired by the influences of Roman culture on the creation of the Romulans), rather than an idealistic and naive belief in the Empire. It also explains why so many of them defected to the Republic. After the chaos of thirty years of of civil wars and strife, they came to believe that D'tan's government on New Romulus was a better choice for the Romulan people, since it had managed on one fell swoop to make peace AND ally with both the Federation and the Klingons, acquire a fertile new home world, and integrate the Remans. Quickly turning the Romulans three biggest foes into allies in the drop of a hat would have been convincing to soldiers looking out for their peoples best interests. Meanwhile, those remaining with the RSE would have looked at the new allies and seen their old enemies. And the opportunists went wherever.
On the subject of the Tal Shiar, there are no canon sources as to when they were founded, but the novel Vulcan's Heart gives us 2344 as their founding date, on the "ruins" of an older civilian intelligence agency simply refered to as Romulan Intelligence. For one reason or another, whether due to old hands continuing a culture of corruption, or a new batch, the Tal Shiar gained enough influence to assassinate the man who founded them and become a political force with the power to morph into the "state in all but name" it is today.
Finally, i'm dubious as to the RSE's ability to adapt. Recognition will require them to realize that the bird named Republic has well and truly flown the coop, and having grown to mogai size, is not going back in. It would also require admission of the crimes commited and something like a truth and reconciliation commission to investigate and prosecute the criminals who murdered their own people for personal power and gain.