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No Win Scenario Update

porchsongporchsong Member Posts: 262 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Ummm Devs,

Any chance we can get an update on when you will be re-re-releasing No Win Scenario?

Or, can we get any information regarding NWS and its progress? It has been many months now and. . . . nothing.

Could you at least release the original version of it while you guys are tinkering? You guys literally took away the BEST end-game content of STO, and my fear is that it will go the way of Terradome--never to return.

So PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE bring back NWS. We had a rather large community with multiple channels devoted to NWS. Hell, you guys featured it in a blog post, etc. And now . . . . [crickets chirping], we have not had any update in forever.

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  • UnknownUnknown
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    deokkent wrote: »
    Why was no win scenario taken out?

    Because No Win Scenario was designed for level 50 and P2W was making it easier to defeat it. Therefore, it needs to be redesigned so it is a No Win Scenario again. When an elite team with less than 5 members can beat it on a constant basis, then there is something wrong with it.
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    Because No Win Scenario was designed for level 50 and P2W was making it easier to defeat it. Therefore, it needs to be redesigned so it is a No Win Scenario again. When an elite team with less than 5 members can beat it on a constant basis, then there is something wrong with it.

    So why is HSE in the game? Or BDE? Or VCE? Or literally any other elite queue?
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    jarvisandalfred wrote: »
    So why is HSE in the game? Or BDE? Or VCE? Or literally any other elite queue?

    Because they are not No Win Scenario. No Win Scenario is supposed to be the most challenging content in STO.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Well actually Cryptic *DID* do a NWS redesign with an Elite difficulty and everything, and it was fully destroyed promptly as a result of their own stupid powercreep cashgrab game design

    So rather than admit that they are on the wrong path, or fix it, they took it out. Hope nobody notices! These are not the NWS you are looking for
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  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    i look for kobiashi maru , its so tuff that you have ta re-program it to win
  • jarvisandalfredjarvisandalfred Member Posts: 1,549 Bug Hunter
    edited April 2015
    mackbolan01 wrote: »
    i look for kobiashi maru , its so tuff that you have ta re-program it to win

    Yes, let's encourage some actual exploiting why don't we... and spelling while we're at it.
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  • keravnioskeravnios Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    Hey Devs what the heck are you doing? Bring this back. Make us use Mk XII equipment NO PROBLEM.
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  • tunebreakertunebreaker Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    Yup, bring it back ASAP. Game is really boring without it.
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  • earwigvr6earwigvr6 Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    I do miss it. It was actually the only way to get a good amount of fleet mks. Since all the other Q's are now always dead.

    As said before, it was good to actually have a challenge in this game and nice to see I am not the only one that misses it.

    Sadly I never got to play terrordome. I think it was removed when I was new to this game.....
  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    jarvisandalfred wrote: »
    mackbolan01 wrote: »
    i look for kobiashi maru , its so tuff that you have ta re-program it to win

    Yes, let's encourage some actual exploiting why don't we... and spelling while we're at it.

    Don't need exploiting for that. Just have an entirely randomly generated interaction sequence with invisible objects somewhere on the map, and if you somehow activate all 11 invisible interaction points in the exactly correct order involving 36 interactions, you get a slightly less OP final wave!
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    They should make NWS, literally a no win scenario. Each wave gets progressively more difficult with more and more ships until you're ultimately overrun and defeated. Then, it becomes just a competition to see how far you can go.
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    mackbolan01 wrote: »
    i look for kobiashi maru , its so tuff that you have ta re-program it to win

    The 'problem' with that test is that everyone is doing it right, even Kirk did it right... What they should be doing is putting themselves between the attackers and the freighter and then beaming everyone off the freighter before warping away. It's all you can do if you want to come out alive.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    adamkafei wrote: »
    The 'problem' with that test is that everyone is doing it right, even Kirk did it right... What they should be doing is putting themselves between the attackers and the freighter and then beaming everyone off the freighter before warping away. It's all you can do if you want to come out alive.

    I am sure a transporter malfunction (or another thing of the myriad of things existing in Star Trek making transporters useless when you need them pig-43.gif ) will not allow you to do that. The scenario is designed to let you face your own defeat and death of your crew. There cannot be a way out.

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  • tunebreakertunebreaker Member Posts: 1,222 Arc User
    It has been proven already that no matter how much Cryptic tries, DPS Wizards will eventually beat everything. It would be easier for them if they'd just ignore those 166 who do 75k+ DPS and make it feel like no-win for everyone else.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    adamkafei wrote: »
    The 'problem' with that test is that everyone is doing it right, even Kirk did it right... What they should be doing is putting themselves between the attackers and the freighter and then beaming everyone off the freighter before warping away. It's all you can do if you want to come out alive.

    I am sure a transporter malfunction (or another thing of the myriad of things existing in Star Trek making transporters useless when you need them pig-43.gif ) will not allow you to do that. The scenario is designed to let you face your own defeat and death of your crew. There cannot be a way out.

    ​​
    My death? Don't I just hit the Respawn button?

    One nice thing though, now we only hear about people being awarded such-and-such ship. Where did all those Original Thinkers head off to? Are we done with original thinking now?
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  • adamkafeiadamkafei Member Posts: 6,539 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    adamkafei wrote: »
    The 'problem' with that test is that everyone is doing it right, even Kirk did it right... What they should be doing is putting themselves between the attackers and the freighter and then beaming everyone off the freighter before warping away. It's all you can do if you want to come out alive.

    I am sure a transporter malfunction (or another thing of the myriad of things existing in Star Trek making transporters useless when you need them pig-43.gif ) will not allow you to do that. The scenario is designed to let you face your own defeat and death of your crew. There cannot be a way out.

    ​​
    My death? Don't I just hit the Respawn button?

    One nice thing though, now we only hear about people being awarded such-and-such ship. Where did all those Original Thinkers head off to? Are we done with original thinking now?

    "Original thinkers"? Please, dps maniacs more like.
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  • sysil84sysil84 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    NWS is a joke. I've seen a video of a 2 person run and that was with none of the power creep items DR brought with it.

    As it stands right now, there is so much new power creep in the game that it would be easy to do even if they scale it up to level 60. And that's not even considering all the potential new power creep that will come with season 10.5 and 11.

    Until Cryptic manages to get a handle on the exploding power creep and balances the most egregious examples of unbalanced abilities and items that exist in the game right now there will never be any challenging endgame content.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    My death? Don't I just hit the Respawn button? (...)

    It was a remark about the canon "Kobayashi Maru" pig-3.gif And it shows that STOs "NWS" had basically nothing to do with the premise of it.​​
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    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • gradiigradii Member Posts: 2,824 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    They should make NWS, literally a no win scenario. Each wave gets progressively more difficult with more and more ships until you're ultimately overrun and defeated. Then, it becomes just a competition to see how far you can go.

    Best answer.
    "He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
    Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
    he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
    In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
    He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
    He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
    He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
    He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
  • sysil84sysil84 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    They should make NWS, literally a no win scenario. Each wave gets progressively more difficult with more and more ships until you're ultimately overrun and defeated. Then, it becomes just a competition to see how far you can go.

    That was the original idea, until a combination of player complaints and power creep made it a winnable scenario.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,028 Community Moderator
    sysil84 wrote: »
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    They should make NWS, literally a no win scenario. Each wave gets progressively more difficult with more and more ships until you're ultimately overrun and defeated. Then, it becomes just a competition to see how far you can go.

    That was the original idea, until a combination of player complaints and power creep made it a winnable scenario.

    But it's not "winnable" if it literally has no end. Power creep becomes meaningless in this scenario, because eventually, you will be outclassed/overrun.
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  • hunteralpha84hunteralpha84 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    I want nws back. I don't care if DPS exploiters can beat it in 5 minutes, its a poor excuse to remove content from the rest of us.

    5% of the playerbase shouldn't have more say than the majority :/
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    In the canon kobayashi maru, the captins faced a small group of enemies (3 or 5 cruisers). In STO we obliterate hundreds of them - I'd like to see interesting combat scenrios like that, having to actually work against a ship of your own weightclass and see it get tough against the bigger ones.​​
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    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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  • sysil84sysil84 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    In the canon kobayashi maru, the captins faced a small group of enemies (3 or 5 cruisers). In STO we obliterate hundreds of them - I'd like to see interesting combat scenrios like that, having to actually work against a ship of your own weightclass and see it get tough against the bigger ones.​​

    There is actually a scenario like that. It's called PvP :)
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    sysil84 wrote: »
    There is actually a scenario like that. It's called PvP :)

    If there was PvP that would not require maxed out specializations and expensive traits I would even try that. But even if some people are willing to just use base ships, common basic consoles and weapons the specializations and passive boni cannot be disabled.

    ​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
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  • sysil84sysil84 Member Posts: 207 Arc User
    edited July 2015
    angrytarg wrote: »
    If there was PvP that would not require maxed out specializations and expensive traits I would even try that. But even if some people are willing to just use base ships, common basic consoles and weapons the specializations and passive boni cannot be disabled.

    ​​

    You're talking about a fair fight. NWS is not a fair fight. If people truly wanted a NWS scenario they would be PvP'ing 1 vs 3 or 3 vs 5.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,010 Arc User
    sysil84 wrote: »
    You're talking about a fair fight. NWS is not a fair fight. If people truly wanted a NWS scenario they would be PvP'ing 1 vs 3 or 3 vs 5.

    I thought you were talking about the equal fight against your own weightclass bit I mentioned. Yeah, I see the NWS in regular PvP now pig-2.gif

    ​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    #TASforSTO
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  • keravnioskeravnios Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    Not sure if any of you have tried the Advanced version nevermind won. I am also having doubts of you guys winning the easy mode. All I see are complaints about the easy mode.. LOL
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