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Temporal Agent Philip Crey

tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
edited April 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Ever sense I made my Federation Delta recruit there has been something about Temporal Agent Crey that has been bothering me, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then as I was in bed I realized what it was. Crey is a liar. he tells us that he's 157 years old but 90 of those were spent in the Typhon Expanse on the USS Bozemen. OK but then when you do the math, that's where it realize it.

The Bozemen was lost in the Expanse in 2278 and later rescued in 2368. 90 years, just like Crey says, so far so good. But 157 years minus 90 is 67, that makes him 67 years old physically, he looks pretty good for a 67 year old, don't you think? Then you keep digging deeper into his story. He's 67 years old, well, it's been 41 years sense the Bozemen was rescued, that makes him 26 years old while on the Bozemen. So he was a 26 year old Ensign? While not impossible, it's not likely either, unless he was a major screwup. (Yes, we all know the story of Harry Kim. Of course, he wasn't a TRIBBLE up, he just had Janeway as his Captain and she was a ***** to him. He should have been at the least a full Lt. (that's 2 promotions over Ensign) by the time Voyager came home.. especially when you consider he was the Chief of Ships Operation.)

So, Crey is a big fat liar and it's evident by the fact they didn't make the NPC older looking then they did. If a dev is reading this, give him a new cover story or just make the NPC older looking... something fitting a 67 year old.
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tilarium1979 wrote: »
    The Bozeman was lost in the Expanse in 2278 and later rescued in 2368. 90 years, just like Crey says, so far so good. But 157 years minus 90 is 67, that makes him 67 years old physically, he looks pretty good for a 67 year old, don't you think? Then you keep digging deeper into his story. He's 67 years old, well, it's been 41 years sense the Bozeman was rescued, that makes him 26 years old while on the Bozeman. So he was a 26 year old Ensign? While not impossible, it's not likely either, unless he was a major screwup.

    Maybe, just maybe, he joined the fleet a little later than others? After all, just because one can join at 16 doesn't mean they must join at 16.
    Also, he might have been busted from Lt down to Ens.


    Basically, what you point out as an issue is really a non-issue.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,215 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    You do realize that humans live significantly longer in star trek right? He could easily be that old and look that young due to an extended lifespan. And being affected by temporal stuff can mess with you maybe he just doesn't age any!more.
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  • captainoblivouscaptainoblivous Member Posts: 2,284 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Besides, have you seen Cliff Richard? He's almost 80 I think and looks better than some 40 year olds I know!
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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Yes, humans live longer now (especially with the Devs wanting to get old cast members in.. .. they have to really stretch it in some cases) but just because you live longer doesn't mean you're going to look physically younger. Your body will still show your age. Yes, some people look much younger then they really are (I'm 35 and often get mistaken for 10 years younger, my 63 year old father is often mistaken for mid-40s) but it's a stretch for a 67 year old to look in his late-20s/early-30s like the model.

    As for could have been a Lt and got busted, see my comment about being a TRIBBLE up. The rank isn't the issue here, the issue is that the NPC in game looks a lot younger then he should look considering his 67 years of age.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Should have been Agent Philip Coulson. :D
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    Should have been Agent Philip Coulson. :D

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  • quistraquistra Member Posts: 214 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Not all Starfleet staff go into officer school right away. Some start as enlisted crew and work their way up. Remember when Janice Rand said it took her years just to make Ensign?

    Also, some officers only join Starfleet later in life.
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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    quistra wrote: »
    Not all Starfleet staff go into officer school right away. Some start as enlisted crew and work their way up. Remember when Janice Rand said it took her years just to make Ensign?

    Also, some officers only join Starfleet later in life.

    Again, ignoring the important issue at hand... he is (physically) 67 years old but looks like a 30 year old. He could have the best genes in the world, but that's pushing it.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    There's been a case where a certain Kirk era Doctor was on the first episode of TNG... 134 years old!

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  • tilarium1979tilarium1979 Member Posts: 567 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    quistra wrote: »
    Not all Starfleet staff go into officer school right away. Some start as enlisted crew and work their way up. Remember when Janice Rand said it took her years just to make Ensign?

    Also, some officers only join Starfleet later in life.
    vegeta50024 wrote: »
    There's been a case where a certain Kirk era Doctor was on the first episode of TNG... 134 years old!

    And that certain Kirk era Doctor looked 134 years old. I'm not arguing that people can be old in the current timeline. It's a known and established fact. There is a big difference between long life through medical advances and just stopping or slowing the aging process, which is not what we have happening here.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Well that settles it, he's really an Undine.

    Or maybe by then medical technology really can give humans peak health for a couple of extra decades.
  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    He could simply be vain..... Cosmetic surgery in that time would be awesome.
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    ussdelphin2 wrote: »
    He could simply be vain..... Cosmetic surgery in that time would be awesome.

    Yeah, Don't see why that was so hard to imagine. If someone was from the future and was 300 years old but looked young I wouldn't really react to that because I know how easy it would be to change ones appearance without stopping aging completely. Peanuts of a feat for a society with warp travel and time travel that is still beyond our capability to even think about properly today.
  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tilarium1979 wrote: »
    Yes, humans live longer now (especially with the Devs wanting to get old cast members in.. .. they have to really stretch it in some cases) but just because you live longer doesn't mean you're going to look physically younger.
    Yes it does. Higher life expactancy doesn't mean you have to be an old, withered and weak being for 50 or more years. Who the hell would even want that?

    Humans in the 24th century live longer because the aging process is slowed due to huge scientific advances in healthcare.
    Just look at Picard. He's almost 80 in Nemesis!

    The novels had Elias Vaughn who was over 140 years old and still serving as an officer.
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    captainoblivous wrote: »
    Besides, have you seen Cliff Richard? He's almost 80 I think and looks better than some 40 year olds I know!

    Heck Bill Shatner falls into the same category, he looks a lot younger than a man in his 80s
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Modern medicin is on the brink of slowing aging evev today and there are plenty of examples in Trek of people aging more gracefully and living longer.
    O'Brien was expecting to live past 120.
    Really 60 is nothing in the future.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,313 Community Moderator
    edited April 2015
    flash525 wrote: »
    Should have been Agent Philip Coulson. :D
    svindal777 wrote: »
    Temporal Agent Mulder.

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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    Wimpy Picard was a Lt JG at 60: he had been in Starfleet for nearly 40 years and had only gone 1 step from Ensign to Lt JG. Beyond that maybe Carey did not enter the Academy at 18 - not everyone does; Kirk did not. But even if he did, and spent 4 years as an Ensign, it is not that uncommon.
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  • duneczan3duneczan3 Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    There's also the fact he was stuck in a temporal loop for 90 years. Maybe being bombarded by all those tachyons for nearly a century has done a number on his aging process?
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,825 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    zipagat wrote: »
    Heck Bill Shatner falls into the same category, he looks a lot younger than a man in his 80s

    I was gonna say that!

    But there are more than just him who age well...since someone brought up Phil Coulson I may as well bring up this...

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    She definitely doesn't look like she is in her 50's...much less 40's imo...and these are two examples in our lifetime...much less where humans can live 50% longer...

    Others out there...like I keep seeing this commercial at night for these beauty products with Cindy Crawford...she still looks great for her age.

    Betty White...while not the most youthful looks she is still out and about and she is 93.

    If people in their 50's can look youthful enough in the 21st century of reality...I don't see whats so hard to believe the same thing isn't possible only a decade later when medical technology is so far ahead in the 25th century of fiction.
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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         Member Posts: 7,747 Arc User
    edited April 2015
    tilarium1979 wrote: »
    Ever sense I made my Federation Delta recruit there has been something about Temporal Agent Crey that has been bothering me, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Then as I was in bed I realized what it was. Crey is a liar. he tells us that he's 157 years old but 90 of those were spent in the Typhon Expanse on the USS Bozemen. OK but then when you do the math, that's where it realize it.

    The Bozemen was lost in the Expanse in 2278 and later rescued in 2368. 90 years, just like Crey says, so far so good. But 157 years minus 90 is 67, that makes him 67 years old physically, he looks pretty good for a 67 year old, don't you think? Then you keep digging deeper into his story. He's 67 years old, well, it's been 41 years sense the Bozemen was rescued, that makes him 26 years old while on the Bozemen. So he was a 26 year old Ensign? While not impossible, it's not likely either, unless he was a major screwup. (Yes, we all know the story of Harry Kim. Of course, he wasn't a TRIBBLE up, he just had Janeway as his Captain and she was a ***** to him. He should have been at the least a full Lt. (that's 2 promotions over Ensign) by the time Voyager came home.. especially when you consider he was the Chief of Ships Operation.)

    So, Crey is a big fat liar and it's evident by the fact they didn't make the NPC older looking then they did. If a dev is reading this, give him a new cover story or just make the NPC older looking... something fitting a 67 year old.

    Actually, almost everyone on the ships (aside from senior staff) is an ensign or Lt. This is probably also dueled by Roddenberry's resistance to having enlisted ranks. He hated the films for having them and making O'Brien a "chief" rather than an "Ensign" made him lose his cool.

    The bridge crew are exceptional, unusual people. I think we're meant to infer that the average person happily spends 50+ years without promotion, toiling on some specific area of research. People at Lt. Commander and higher tend to be senior staff (although not always and there are a few higher ranked characters we see on a handful of occasions who are specialists).

    Ogawa made it from Ensign to Lt. in six years running sickbay. I don't think Harry Kim's rank progress was meant to be unusual in Star Trek. I figure maybe 99% of Starfleet never rises past Lt.

    Travis Mayweather was a 25 year old ensign.

    Ro Laren had some back and forth due to her criminal background but Picard noted that she was an exceptional officer who could have made it from Ensign to Lt. Commander in 6 years if not for her criminal activity.

    But you routinely see aged crew ranked Lt. or below (gray haired ensigns are rare but Lt.'s are not and at least one noticeably older ensign with a doctorate appears). You almost never see Commanders outside the senior staff, which only accounts for 1% of the crew or so.
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