The only thing I can criticize right now is that the Venture skin does not harmonize with the new refurbished Galaxy any more. Use the Venture neck and the Galaxy saucer and suddenly you have a very visible transition. Now that the Galaxy skin is fabulous there's not much need to substitute with the Venture, mind you, but still <.<
EDIT: And the weapon hardpoints haven't changed (on the Andromeda T6 as well). Aft weapons are all crammed into the aft torpedo launcher it seems ^^'
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Because the third EP is not the one we wanted, he was the one we needed.
Hey, not so fast. They're still places for great conversation and celebration, leave them as monuments to the devs listening to the players.
True true.
I certainly hope you're referring to Stan Lee's famous catchphrase :mad:
Part of the reason the Galaxy beef existed was that her elder outclassed her.
the problem was not that the excel outclassed her in on itself: it was just that the galaxy R was so horribly set up that even t4 ships outdid her.
Now, the Galaxy has a good setup going and if they bring an excel that again is "better" noone will seriously care. In this case "Good enough" is good enough because the good is quite high level here.
The Galaxy is not left in the dust anymore.
Its setup is totally ok now. ltcom tac, something we really did not expect.
Hybrid ltcom, with command, a very fitting spec.
The console setup also is good.
Its it the absolute best at dps? No of course not. But its good, as in "good". Also: depending on your criteria: there already are ships "better".
But those are not the ships we want. We wanted a Galaxy on equal footing. We have that now.
If there is a new excel with an whicked awesome (skinjob maybee?) and its better at dps? Well then: all power to those who want it and have fun. We got what we wanted, we surely wont begrudge you getting what you want.
The only thing I can criticize right now is that the Venture skin does not harmonize with the new refurbished Galaxy any more. Use the Venture neck and the Galaxy saucer and suddenly you have a very visible transition. Now that the Galaxy skin is fabulous there's not much need to substitute with the Venture, mind you, but still <.<
I noticed that as well as I liked to run all Galaxy parts except for the Venture neck. Still, I am happy to have a 10-forward on my ship! The update to the main model was very nicely done.
She feels more capable than my fleet t5-u Galaxy, so there's that, even if it's just my perception. I think they've done quite well by the old girl.
What about DBB's ?
Still firing from the two sides of the saucer, and not the phaser strips ?
... I have not played with the Gal for a long while ... , so that's what I remembered ...
Good point, I heven't tried that. I will test it ^^
EDIT: DBBs will fire from the main array now, albeit rather far apart. So it's a lot better, but still doesn't look really good XD
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Good point, I heven't tried that. I will test it ^^
EDIT: DBBs will fire from the main array now, albeit rather far apart. So it's a lot better, but still doesn't look really good XD
so they moved those hard points, but couldn't be bothered to put some array hard points on those small arrays on the back of the neck? instead of continuing to stick all 4 of them on that tiny array by the torp launcher?
One thing I couldn't quite confirm myself, but is this version actually larger than the previous Galaxy? I was fighting in close quarters alongside the Enterprise-F against Romulan D'deridex warbirds in Tau Dewa, and the ship looked quite large compared to both of those vessels.
I have to say I was genuinely surprised when I saw the boff layout on the t6 galaxy. I was sure when they got around to releasing it that it would be another failboat, but I'm glad to say I was wrong. It's not really my cup of tea. I prefer the more nimble tac leaning ships like the presidio, but at least now the galaxy is a competitive ship and you won't roll your eyes when you warp into a mission and see a galaxy sitting there like a bad joke.
so they moved those hard points, but couldn't be bothered to put some array hard points on those small arrays on the back of the neck? instead of continuing to stick all 4 of them on that tiny array by the torp launcher?
At least in my brief testing it seems that way. The auxilliary arrays on the pylons are some times used, but 90% of the time all aft weapons fire from the torpedo tube (not the arrays, it's definitely the launcher itself).
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
At least in my brief testing it seems that way. The auxilliary arrays on the pylons are some times used, but 90% of the time all aft weapons fire from the torpedo tube (not the arrays, it's definitely the launcher itself).
Cryptic isn't the only one that fails at this... in the tng episode darmok they fire phasers out of the forward torpedo launcher. Oops!
Cryptic isn't the only one that fails at this... in the tng episode darmok they fire phasers out of the forward torpedo launcher. Oops!
Has this been corrected in the remastered version? Because I honestly never considered this a mistake by default and suspected simple emitters (a "dual beam bank" if you will) to be somehow integrated into the launchers, especially after separation occured. What makes the STO thing odd is that the phasers fire at beam array angles out of the launcher, slicing peices of the hull in the process.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
Has this been corrected in the remastered version? Because I honestly never considered this a mistake by default and suspected simple emitters (a "dual beam bank" if you will) to be somehow integrated into the launchers, especially after separation occured. What makes the STO thing odd is that the phasers fire at beam array angles out of the launcher, slicing peices of the hull in the process.
Oh I hate that! It happens on my excelsior as well. The beams fire from the centre of the warp nacelle pylons (that bulge that connects the pylons to the secondary hull) right through the nacelle's. While there is an weapon hard point there in canon it shouldn't fire through the engines blah.:(
Has this been corrected in the remastered version? Because I honestly never considered this a mistake by default and suspected simple emitters (a "dual beam bank" if you will) to be somehow integrated into the launchers, especially after separation occured. What makes the STO thing odd is that the phasers fire at beam array angles out of the launcher, slicing peices of the hull in the process.
Actually yes, it was. In the Remastered episode it's a shot fired from the main array.
Thanks, I don't have my S5 BR yet But now I can lay that assumption to rest as it has been an acknowledged error
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
One thing I couldn't quite confirm myself, but is this version actually larger than the previous Galaxy? I was fighting in close quarters alongside the Enterprise-F against Romulan D'deridex warbirds in Tau Dewa, and the ship looked quite large compared to both of those vessels.
If you're talking about the Andromeda hull then yes, it seems to be somewhat bigger than the classic Galaxy.
If you're talking about the new Galaxy Class model, I'm not sure but I don't think so. Seems about the same size to me.
so they moved those hard points, but couldn't be bothered to put some array hard points on those small arrays on the back of the neck? instead of continuing to stick all 4 of them on that tiny array by the torp launcher?
Welcome to the problems of just about every STO ship. Think about it this way, last week, what level of complaint would "fires DBB shots from the main array" have been?
I play mostly KDF. Someone posted a pic of the remastered Galaxy mesh and texture which Cryptic just released. Wow! Excellent job, Cryptic! Although I will continue to be primarily on the Red Side, I think I have seen the ship which my Fed Delta Recruit will spend his career in.
A six year old boy and his starship. Living the dream.
the problem was not that the excel outclassed her in on itself: it was just that the galaxy R was so horribly set up that even t4 ships outdid her.
I said part of the beef, not the whole of it.
Now, the Galaxy has a good setup going and if they bring an excel that again is "better" noone will seriously care. In this case "Good enough" is good enough because the good is quite high level here.
The Galaxy is not left in the dust anymore.
Its setup is totally ok now. ltcom tac, something we really did not expect.
Hybrid ltcom, with command, a very fitting spec.
The console setup also is good.
Its it the absolute best at dps? No of course not. But its good, as in "good". Also: depending on your criteria: there already are ships "better".
But those are not the ships we want. We wanted a Galaxy on equal footing. We have that now.
I know that.
If there is a new excel with an whicked awesome (skinjob maybee?) and its better at dps? Well then: all power to those who want it and have fun. We got what we wanted, we surely wont begrudge you getting what you want.
Good ships for everyone.
To a point. The Excelsior's successor class is the Sovereign. The Excelsior herself has had perhaps the greatest run of any ship class Starfleet has ever seen, staying in service twice as long as the Constitution. But she's done her bit for king and country.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Welcome to the problems of just about every STO ship. Think about it this way, last week, what level of complaint would "fires DBB shots from the main array" have been?
they should have just put the DBB hardpoints on the torp launcher, on top of each other so it looks like 1 beam, like they did with the galor. that would at least be a canon place for it to fire a beam weapon it should never equip in the first place!
they should have just put the DBB hardpoints on the torp launcher, on top of each other so it looks like 1 beam, like they did with the galor. that would at least be a canon place for it to fire a beam weapon it should never equip in the first place!
To quote Mr. Goldmember... "There is no pleasink yuu, Mr. Poweurs."
I am going to argue that this complaint be filed away under nitpicking. Having an issue with the placement of weapons fire, on an MMO ship, from a DBB in a spot that is "canon" for a Beam Array, and furthermore mentioning that the ship never had a DBB in canon, is truely the 6th standard deviation quality control-wise. This is even more the case when said ship was complained about the week before as being mediocre gameplaywise, and the devs gave a ship that serious ups the ante. Whats next, the Aztecing isn't the right shading?
Seriously, especially since the weapons issue is with he majority of the ships in game, let the dev's work on real problems. Lord knows theres more than enough of those in game.
I don't understand why detailwork is often disregarded like that. It is detail work where the game should shine - the metagame is rather boring and unimaginative, there's not much room to improve replaying the exact same mission literally thousands of times. But doing so in acribic replicas of canon ships could be awesome. They already moved the hardpoint. Why not doing it right in the first place?
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I don't understand why detailwork is often disregarded like that. It is detail work where the game should shine - the metagame is rather boring and unimaginative, there's not much room to improve replaying the exact same mission literally thousands of times. But doing so in acribic replicas of canon ships could be awesome. They already moved the hardpoint. Why not doing it right in the first place?
There is a line of separation in a game, where attention to detail becomes value added, and where it becomes a distraction. Complaining about that a DBB fires from the models Beam Array easily crossed the line into distraction. I would much rather have them work on gameplay quality, then deal with micro-minutia, such as this. Especially since people were complaining about the play value of this ship before, and now are nitpicking about visual properties once the ship was improved.
Seriously, if I was a dev' and just made changes to address the gameplay people were complaining about, and then recieved immediate complaints about this issue, I would take it as a small percentage of players that are complaining to complain. For Gods sake, there is even a thread in game saying that people like the DBB's shooting out of the BA (of which I am solidly in that camp). If the shooting of a DBB out of a BA is a big gripe, I'd say that the ship isn't that bad off.
I think people complaining about the one thing aren't the same talking about the other. I personally don't care about the DBB placement - I could go on with how bananas the weapon design in the game is from the start XD my nitpick with the new Gal would be the aft weapon placement and that's in my opinion a very unnecessary stain on the brand new model, something which could have been improved. Sure, it doesn't make or break anything but considering that the game itself is pretty much finished and the addition of new content does basically not change the fact that I find myself replaying the same old content as before anyway I would welcome more attention to detail
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
I think people complaining about the one thing aren't the same talking about the other. I personally don't care about the DBB placement - I could go on with how bananas the weapon design in the game is from the start XD my nitpick with the new Gal would be the aft weapon placement and that's in my opinion a very unnecessary stain on the brand new model, something which could have been improved. Sure, it doesn't make or break anything but considering that the game itself is pretty much finished and the addition of new content does basically not change the fact that I find myself replaying the same old content as before anyway I would welcome more attention to detail
I'd say the game is far from finished:
Lack of server stability
Game dialog still forces decloak ( happened to me the other day on my
Every release is bugged when its launched
Lack of PvP balance/content ( I know some of you dont care about that)
2 1/2 D maneuverability in a 3D weapons arc environment.
And thats my short list. There are plenty of areas that need addressing well before the minutia is
a real quality issue.
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As elders should.
Come onnnn, Excelsior T-6!
BCW.
EDIT: And the weapon hardpoints haven't changed (on the Andromeda T6 as well). Aft weapons are all crammed into the aft torpedo launcher it seems ^^'
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the problem was not that the excel outclassed her in on itself: it was just that the galaxy R was so horribly set up that even t4 ships outdid her.
Now, the Galaxy has a good setup going and if they bring an excel that again is "better" noone will seriously care. In this case "Good enough" is good enough because the good is quite high level here.
The Galaxy is not left in the dust anymore.
Its setup is totally ok now. ltcom tac, something we really did not expect.
Hybrid ltcom, with command, a very fitting spec.
The console setup also is good.
Its it the absolute best at dps? No of course not. But its good, as in "good". Also: depending on your criteria: there already are ships "better".
But those are not the ships we want. We wanted a Galaxy on equal footing. We have that now.
If there is a new excel with an whicked awesome (skinjob maybee?) and its better at dps? Well then: all power to those who want it and have fun. We got what we wanted, we surely wont begrudge you getting what you want.
Good ships for everyone.
I noticed that as well as I liked to run all Galaxy parts except for the Venture neck. Still, I am happy to have a 10-forward on my ship! The update to the main model was very nicely done.
She feels more capable than my fleet t5-u Galaxy, so there's that, even if it's just my perception. I think they've done quite well by the old girl.
What about DBB's ?
Still firing from the two sides of the saucer, and not the phaser strips ?
... I have not played with the Gal for a long while ... , so that's what I remembered ...
Good point, I heven't tried that. I will test it ^^
EDIT: DBBs will fire from the main array now, albeit rather far apart. So it's a lot better, but still doesn't look really good XD
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Thanks for testing that !
so they moved those hard points, but couldn't be bothered to put some array hard points on those small arrays on the back of the neck? instead of continuing to stick all 4 of them on that tiny array by the torp launcher?
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At least in my brief testing it seems that way. The auxilliary arrays on the pylons are some times used, but 90% of the time all aft weapons fire from the torpedo tube (not the arrays, it's definitely the launcher itself).
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Cryptic isn't the only one that fails at this... in the tng episode darmok they fire phasers out of the forward torpedo launcher. Oops!
Has this been corrected in the remastered version? Because I honestly never considered this a mistake by default and suspected simple emitters (a "dual beam bank" if you will) to be somehow integrated into the launchers, especially after separation occured. What makes the STO thing odd is that the phasers fire at beam array angles out of the launcher, slicing peices of the hull in the process.
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Oh I hate that! It happens on my excelsior as well. The beams fire from the centre of the warp nacelle pylons (that bulge that connects the pylons to the secondary hull) right through the nacelle's. While there is an weapon hard point there in canon it shouldn't fire through the engines blah.:(
Actually yes, it was. In the Remastered episode it's a shot fired from the main array.
Edit: Found a comparision video on 'Tube. The shot comparision is around the 5:30 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl3rSZQT_t4
Thanks, I don't have my S5 BR yet
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If you're talking about the Andromeda hull then yes, it seems to be somewhat bigger than the classic Galaxy.
If you're talking about the new Galaxy Class model, I'm not sure but I don't think so. Seems about the same size to me.
Welcome to the problems of just about every STO ship. Think about it this way, last week, what level of complaint would "fires DBB shots from the main array" have been?
Elders should step aside and let the young take their place in the fleet.
I said part of the beef, not the whole of it.
I know that.
To a point. The Excelsior's successor class is the Sovereign. The Excelsior herself has had perhaps the greatest run of any ship class Starfleet has ever seen, staying in service twice as long as the Constitution. But she's done her bit for king and country.
they should have just put the DBB hardpoints on the torp launcher, on top of each other so it looks like 1 beam, like they did with the galor. that would at least be a canon place for it to fire a beam weapon it should never equip in the first place!
To quote Mr. Goldmember... "There is no pleasink yuu, Mr. Poweurs."
I am going to argue that this complaint be filed away under nitpicking. Having an issue with the placement of weapons fire, on an MMO ship, from a DBB in a spot that is "canon" for a Beam Array, and furthermore mentioning that the ship never had a DBB in canon, is truely the 6th standard deviation quality control-wise. This is even more the case when said ship was complained about the week before as being mediocre gameplaywise, and the devs gave a ship that serious ups the ante. Whats next, the Aztecing isn't the right shading?
Seriously, especially since the weapons issue is with he majority of the ships in game, let the dev's work on real problems. Lord knows theres more than enough of those in game.
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There is a line of separation in a game, where attention to detail becomes value added, and where it becomes a distraction. Complaining about that a DBB fires from the models Beam Array easily crossed the line into distraction. I would much rather have them work on gameplay quality, then deal with micro-minutia, such as this. Especially since people were complaining about the play value of this ship before, and now are nitpicking about visual properties once the ship was improved.
Seriously, if I was a dev' and just made changes to address the gameplay people were complaining about, and then recieved immediate complaints about this issue, I would take it as a small percentage of players that are complaining to complain. For Gods sake, there is even a thread in game saying that people like the DBB's shooting out of the BA (of which I am solidly in that camp). If the shooting of a DBB out of a BA is a big gripe, I'd say that the ship isn't that bad off.
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I haven't been close enough to my computer to play it. I am limited to my "smart" phone.
I'd say the game is far from finished:
Lack of server stability
Game dialog still forces decloak ( happened to me the other day on my
Every release is bugged when its launched
Lack of PvP balance/content ( I know some of you dont care about that)
2 1/2 D maneuverability in a 3D weapons arc environment.
And thats my short list. There are plenty of areas that need addressing well before the minutia is
a real quality issue.
Get off my lawn, you long-haired whippersnapper!
Sorry, I felt compelled.