I smell a T6 Defiant coming...

stolts

Don't you as well Already made the iconic Voyager and the iconic Galaxy T6.

ashandarei22

Long as I get another Sovereign :P

cryptkeeper0

I sense alot of other ships as well Prometheus, flagships, etc. But the main canonical movie and tv show ships will likely be first then the refit flagships .

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warmaker001b

stolts wrote: »

Don't you as well Already made the iconic Voyager and the iconic Galaxy T6.

When DR released, I expected all the canon ships to make their way to T6. Intrepid came first. Now we're getting Galaxy, Negh'Var, D'Deridex to the T6 club. It's not an issue of "if" Defiant is coming. It's an issue of "when."

darkknightucf

warmaker001b wrote: »

When DR released, I expected all the canon ships to make their way to T6. Intrepid came first. Now we're getting Galaxy, Negh'Var, D'Deridex to the T6 club. It's not an issue of "if" Defiant is coming. It's an issue of "when."

Don't tease me, man.... don't... it's not nice....

lindaleff

We already have a T6 Defiant. It's called the Phantom, also colloquially known as the Super Defiant. You can even directly transplant your cloaking Alpha Strike build, and everything else.

seannewboy

That may be true lindaleff, but one with a pilot slot would be better than intelligence station.

lindaleff

Even a Command slot would be better than Intel....:rolleyes:

chandlerashari

Blanket nerfs to beams in season 10.5, cannons will rule again!

Wizards of STO make a 1337ass vid completing the new Infected Space EPIC with t3 defiants with no boff slots! Just a single singke cannon!

Season 11...

GAMMAFALL

enemys cant even be scratched with beams, but have a 100%weakness to...quad cannons!!!

T6 defia3nt/bop/tvaro for sale!

cryptic wins!

Vesta t6 gets uber leet phaser aux cannons

I win everything!

Hue hue hue

seannewboy

lindaleff wrote: »

Even a Command slot would be better than Intel....:rolleyes:

Very true, but pilot would fit the design better.

cmdrscarlet

/treadjack ON

EXCELSIOR!

/threadjack OFF

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willamsheridan

lindaleff wrote: »

Even a Command slot would be better than Intel....:rolleyes:

Intel abilites are not bad. And since the Defiant was the first Fed ship to officially use a cloak (NCC-1701 and Pegasus don´t count) i think the Intel seating is better fitting than a Command BOff layout.


BTW, why are we always talking about a Defiant. Its a Tac Escort. Only the Defiant is a Defiant, the Gallant, Vigilant and Sao Paulo are also no Defiants (but they are all Tac Escorts, same type).

And the Phantom looks more like a Gallant than a Defiant. But wouldn´t it be better to say "we want the Tac escort skins for the Phantom" instead of saying" we want another T6 ship for 3000 Zen thats basically the same ship we already have but with additional skins"? 3000 Zen for Skins?

The Phantom IS the successor to the Defiant so there should be no extra T6 Defiant, only the T4 skins for the T6 Phantom

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willamsheridan

westmetals wrote: »

Call them what you want. People refer to the various LSRV's and Exp Cruisers as Intrepids and Galaxies also.

The difference is that those can use the base Intrepid and Galaxy skins. (And the other Tac Escorts can use the Defiant skin... while the Phantom can not. It is also not labeled as a Tac Escort in the shipyard, by the way....)

And it was NEVER actually stated that "The Phantom IS the successor to the Defiant". That is something that was started by players. Yes, it's a T6 intel escort with stats and abilities that are quite similar to what an intel-spec Defiant-type might have. However, that is not the same thing.

If the Phantom could use the Defiant skins... and was labeled as a Tactical Escort in the shipyard... then it'd be a T6 Defiant. I personally think (following the Pathfinder and Andromeda examples) it's going to be a separate ship, so PLEASE stop it with the "the Phantom IS the Defiant" nonsense.

As for "3000 Zen for a skin"... no. As is the case with the Pathfinder, it will have a different BOFF and console layout than similar already available T6 ships. For example, it might have Pilot or Command spec rather than Intel.

I also call them Galaxies and Intrepids. But it looks like most people are focusssed on the Look of the Defiant (while the Gallant already looks totally different).

So you are saying its not the (logical) successor to the Defiant because they didn´t name it Tac escort (well its no Tac escort, its a Hybrid Tac-Intel ship) and because it can´t use the older skins?

The Pathfinder is also a Hybrid, Intel Sci. They just named her LRSV. If they named her Long Range-Intel-Science Vessel it would not be a "LRSV" so according to you that would be one point to say that its no successor to the Intrepid.


The other point (the skins) could be unlocked for free, there is no need for a new ship. And even if they make a T6 Defiant they could give her another name like Command -Escort or something. Still no Tac escort.

If they made a new T6 Defiant and gave her a Command seating and named her a Tac escort everything would be okay for you? But if they named it a Command Escort it would not be? Or would it if it yould use the Defiant skin? THen its no differnt thanjust unlocking the Defiant skin for the Phantom: T6 ship, different layout (Intel, same as Pathfinder) special console,cloak.


Names don´t matter. The Phantom looks so similar to the Defiant/Gallant Escorts that it simply is the next Defiant. Everything about it screams "Defiant" and just because they named her Intel Escort (to focus on its special Boff slot) that doesn´t change a thing. The other ships are named Tac Escort Refit and Retrofit to point ot that they look different, this ship is named Intel Escort to point out that it also has a Special new Ability

I don´t care about the name, they could name it Tiny-Blue-Escort-Ship-Thingy if they wanted too, and the skins could always be added (they won´t be because a 3000 Zen ship means more money).

And your point about the "Different Boff and Console layout": of course it will have a different layout but will that make it a Defiant and the Phantom not? The Phantom also has a different Layout than a Defiant, just like the Pathfinder has a different layout than the Intrepid. Both are Intel Hybrids.

BTW: My Fleet Galaxy can´t use the Celestial and Envoy skins so its not a successor to those classes?


Summary:

Name: doesn´t really matter, just about the special ability

Skins: Could always be added, doesn´t justify another Ship

Layout: Different because its a different ship with Intel abolities (same as Pathfinder). Getting a ship with Command abilities doesn´t guarantee a Tac-Escort but more likely a Command-Escort, no different than a Intel-Escort


But you Want another ship, you want THAT ship to be named Tac Escort to accept that it is what it is, you also want THAT ship to have the Defiant skin instead of just unlocking it for the Phantom) and you want that ship to have an even different layout than the other ship we have even if the Intrepids successor is also just an Intel ship? do you wnat a Command Pathfinder too, beacue it has a differet layout?

You could have your Defiant for free or cheaper than 3000 ZEN for another ship if you would support unlocking the Skins for the Phantom.

warmaker001b

darkknightucf wrote: »

Don't tease me, man.... don't... it's not nice....

You know it's coming man

There's way too much money in that gold mine to NOT bring those beloved canon ships to T6.

lindaleff wrote: »

We already have a T6 Defiant. It's called the Phantom, also colloquially known as the Super Defiant. You can even directly transplant your cloaking Alpha Strike build, and everything else.

Cryptic would have done well to attach the Defiant skin on the Phantom. It's a shame they didn't because the Phantom fixes every complaint leveled against the older T5 version while still maintaining a TAC-heavy BOFF seating and the handling of the earlier version. The Phantom *is* everything the Defiant should have been in all but name.

davidwford

I do think that a T6 Defiant can and SHOULD have both a Pilot hybrid and Intel Hybrid slot.

Here is my take:

CDR Tac/Command Hybird Slot, LT. CDR Tac/Pilot Hybrid slot, Lt Eng, Lt Sci/Intel Hybrid, LT. Universal
Consoles: 4 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci

lianthelia

seannewboy wrote: »

Very true, but pilot would fit the design better.

I think you missed the the eye roll lol

lianthelia

davidwford wrote: »

I do think that a T6 Defiant can and SHOULD have both a Pilot hybrid and Intel Hybrid slot.

Here is my take:

CDR Tac/Command Hybird Slot, LT. CDR Tac/Pilot Hybrid slot, Lt Eng, Lt Sci/Intel Hybrid, LT. Universal
Consoles: 4 Tac, 3 Eng, 2 Sci

Keep dreaming...if they ever get to anything close like that it's going to be a a Lock Box ship. Second...why put the best hybrid as the Lt? Intel is the best specialization...

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wildweasal

Of course a tier 6 defiant is on the way let's not be silly people you don't think they made that pilot specialization for nothing do you? I suspect it will be a three pack just like this the defiant maybe the mogi for the roms and whatever the equivalent is for the Klingons.... But no guys, I know what you're thinking Klingons and Romulans I know what you're thinking, if they use the tavaro and the bird of prey then for feds it would NOT be the defiant it would be the Aquarius because all the shifts in that pack have to have someone equal standing the tavaro is basically a bird of prey the Aquarius is a uber bird of prey and the bird of prey is well a bird prey

ladymyajha

wildweasal wrote: »

Of course a tier 6 defiant is on the way let's not be silly people you don't think they made that pilot specialization for nothing do you? I suspect it will be a three pack just like this the defiant maybe the mogi for the roms and whatever the equivalent is for the Klingons.... But no guys, I know what you're thinking Klingons and Romulans I know what you're thinking, if they use the tavaro and the bird of prey then for feds it would NOT be the defiant it would be the Aquarius because all the shifts in that pack have to have someone equal standing the tavaro is basically a bird of prey the Aquarius is a uber bird of prey and the bird of prey is well a bird prey

TRIBBLE equality... since when is the Aquarius iconic... the Defiant is an iconic... so it'll be made a T6. Otherwise the only other iconic ships I can truely think of that's equal to the Defiant that hasn't been done T6 yet is the Tavaro and the BoP, both of which I'd probably pay out my booty for.

wildweasal

ladymyajha wrote: »

TRIBBLE equality... since when is the Aquarius iconic... the Defiant is an iconic... so it'll be made a T6. Otherwise the only other iconic ships I can truely think of that's equal to the Defiant that hasn't been done T6 yet is the Tavaro and the BoP, both of which I'd probably pay out my booty for.

This is true but if you look at the stats of the T5 U Aquarius it's as if they were just trying to troll the defiant crowd because honestly that's what the fight should've been make no mistake about it Aquarius is one bad TRIBBLE$ ship im talking here about T5 U because really if it's not T5 U or t6 nothing else matters and as for equal footing I'm just simply saying going by what they're about to release tomorrow those three ships pretty much on equal footing

ladymyajha

wildweasal wrote: »

This is true but if you look at the stats of the T5 U Aquarius it's as if they were just trying to troll the defiant crowd because honestly that's what the fight should've been make no mistake about it Aquarius is one bad TRIBBLE$ ship im talking here about T5 U because really if it's not T5 U or t6 nothing else matters and as for equal footing I'm just simply saying going by what they're about to release tomorrow those three ships pretty much on equal footing

Oh I agree totally... but could you hear the anquish from all the Star Trek nerds ever... if the Aquarius got a T6 upgrade before the defiant did. The boards would literally melt from the flames and only the most dedicated Cryptic White Knight would even bother trying to defend them... and everyone else would condemn them all to the firery pits of Gre'Thor.

And really for Klingon side what's more iconic then the Bird of Prey... though seriously wondering how a T6 ship with all universals would actually work... plus the BoP would be a tremendous reason for Pilot Skills.

But I agree with everything you say... but here's hoping that Cryptic sticks with Iconic and less with balance.

On the other side... it's possibly that Cryptic will release just a T6 defiant and nothing else... kind of like how they did with the Intrepid/Pathfinder... though that may simply be due to the fact that Klingons and Romulans don't have a science ship worth a damn.

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willamsheridan

westmetals wrote: »

I love how instead of ACTUALLY reading what I wrote, you're twisting it into what YOU want to argue against.

All I said was that I fully expect (not that I want; those are two different things, and nowhere in my post was I expressing an opinion, I'm just giving you facts) that there will be a T6 Defiant and that the Phantom is not it. The rest is just the evidence that the game developers did not intend the Phantom to be the T6 Defiant (lack of skins, different class name - and by that I mean completely different, not just adding 'Refit' or 'Retrofit' or 'Fleet', etc; all of these in opposition to what was intentionally done with the Pathfinder).

ANY statement that the Phantom is, or was ever intended to be, the T6 Defiant, has always originated from the players - not the game developers - and the actual evidence points to this being wrong. Yes, it's an "Escort". That does not mean it's a successor to the Defiant - there are a lot of other escorts out there, including a couple (Saber comes to mind) that look more like the Phantom than the Defiant does!

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Here's my personal feelings on the matter (just to be clear since the rest is objective): I feel - and have felt all along - that Intel was the wrong spec for it. Either Command or Pilot (or indeed, perhaps a third one that has not yet been introduced) fits better with the Defiant's "role". I never said anything about a Command Pathfinder, or an Intel Galaxy, or anything - I just think the Defiant should have a spec that actually fits it, and it's not Intel.

If the Phantom had been released with the Defiant skins, we wouldn't be having this conversation - but all wishes aside (and I do not share them, sorry), they're not going to retroactively add them. And I personally don't think they should.

You are right and hereby i say: I`m Sorry. Hope you accept my apology

Still, i think the Defiant looks more like the Phantom than the Saber does

The basic Design looks like a Defiant/Gallant hybrid.

Also i think Intel is the perfect spec for it since the Defiant was the first ship with a cloak, to enter the Gamma Quadrant unnoticed and to spy on the Dominion and attack out of nowhere. There is no better Spec. fitting the Defiant. Pilot would work for almost every Escort because they are fast and agile and the Command spec is something i would see for cruisers: Huge intimidating ships with massive firepower that take control over the Battlefild just by their presence.


But i think there will be a T6 Defiant even if its nonsense because the Phantom is the perfect candidate for the Job, it has a cloak, shares some design elements and just needs the Skins

stolts

They have come out with a Galaxy console set and now an Intrepid console set. Can't wait for a Defiant console set... FINALLY! It should incorporate the Quad-Cannon which btw should also get an overhaul (since it drains engine power, in addition to weapon power, its damage should also factor in and scale with the engine power level. So if you have 125 weapon and engine power it will do 450% more damage Its not like you can equip more than one anyway. Or you can add this feature for equipping the 3 piece defiant set.)

Science Officer Captain commandeering a T6 Intrepid... check.
Engineering Officer Captain commanding a T6 Galaxy... pre-check.
Tactical Officer Captain commanding a T6 Defiant... will be checked SOON.

T6 Constitution on the WAY!

davideight

a real pity the defiant wont have the roll function.

only the orig command ships have inspiration, only the orig intelships have intel gather, so i suspect the defiant wont have the abilitity to actually roll and move like the orig pilots.

anjc

They will probably make a build like so...
Cmd Tactical
LtCmd Tactical/Pilot
LtCmd Eng
Lt Sci/Intel
Lt or Ensign universal

Eng X3
Sci X2
Tac X5

They probably will not put in the intel mod but they are going to make it better than the phantom (ish) in a way. They will probably do something like Defiant Cloaking Device+Quad Cannons= +20 weapon power/+10 Engine Power/+5 TurnRate. Then when they add the new console it would probably add a battle cloak. Complain in the comments but that is my guess

seaofsorrows

anthonyjc2010 wrote: »

They probably will not put in the intel mod but they are going to make it better than the phantom (ish) in a way.

That's going to be the real challenge for them, making it comparable to the Phantom. I agree that they won't make it an Intel ship since the Phantom has that market cornered already. Intel though, is honestly what makes the most sense.

They would probably make it so much easier if they just released the Defiant Skin as a bonus for the Fleet Version of the Phantom. That would solve a lot of problems and would probably drastically increase sales on the Phantom as well as Fleet Modules.