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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Just about every forum has their share of sycophants and brown-nosers. No idea why they're such peons. It's not like the guys at Cryptic will give them free ships as a reward for their fielty.

    And I think I'll leave this right here:

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Cryptic-Studios-Reviews-E267596.htm

    I guess it's the same reason why every forum has their share of unthinking, overly impressionable individuals, that insist on hating on a developer even when they do something good for the player base, because it makes them one of the cool kids...

    That link, as has been discussed countless times, is anecdotal at best, as there's nothing stopping me leaving a review of my employment history - or total lack there of...
    The environment favors autistic people who own dogs. It's quiet, socializing seems to all MTG games or Netrunner games, people would rather work than wander around the office and chat. The games are not designed as clickbait or to maximize profits. The goal, as told to the employees, is to make a good game that the fans want to support by buying things, rather than a scam to siphon money from people. This is an important point.

    Supposedly from a 'Senior Game Developer' who I would suspect is about 13 years old given the opening line, so in other words, bull****...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,327 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    imruined wrote: »
    I guess it's the same reason why every forum has their share of unthinking, overly impressionable individuals, that insist on hating on a developer even when they do something good for the player base, because it makes them one of the cool kids...

    I'm pretty sure this guy said it better than me.
    Men are not punished for their sins, but by them.
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    westx211 wrote: »
    Every forum also has their fare share of people who simply despise the game and want it to be shutdown. For every "White Knight"(Of which many are only fcalled that when one side is losing an argument) there is a "Black Knight"(I'm tired and that was the best analogy I could think of) who is only there to revel in the pain and suffering and basically stand on the edge of being a troll.
    This is true.

    And then there's the vast majority of forum goers, some of whom are dissatisfied with the game and aren't so disillusioned as to believe forum discussions are wholly incapable of swaying developer policy.
    "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
  • ladymyajhaladymyajha Member Posts: 1,428 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    imruined wrote: »
    I guess it's the same reason why every forum has their share of unthinking, overly impressionable individuals, that insist on hating on a developer even when they do something good for the player base, because it makes them one of the cool kids...

    I'll be honest here.. I totally agree... but sometimes I think that Cryptic kind of invites this kind of stuff too... while I'll agree that the devs can give some really great items to us... and has... I think that sometimes HOW they respond to valid complaints can kind of create this environment.

    Basically what I'm saying is that Cryptic can put out some really great stuff but SUCK at how they communicate it

    Case in point the new AP torp... arguably overpowered in it's first and second iterations. Community said so... quite often putting out reason why this could be a nightmare.

    Bort comes in and says basically he didn't understand the concerns.

    White Knights come to Bort's defense saying stuff that really didn't help the situation.

    More data is thrown out... including by some people that can be argued that they are white knights.

    Torpedo is changed.

    White Knights say "see you needed patience" when basically Bort was happy with the OP version and probably wouldn't have changed it until after launch... leading us to another issue similiar to the SS issue we're having now.
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    Bort comes in and says basically he didn't understand the concerns.

    White Knights come to Bort's defense saying stuff that really didn't help the situation.

    More data is thrown out... including by some people that can be argued that they are white knights.

    Torpedo is changed.

    White Knights say "see you needed patience" when basically Bort was happy with the OP version and probably wouldn't have changed it until after launch... leading us to another issue similiar to the SS issue we're having now.
    Industry standard.

    Sucks that it also leads to being labeled a troll by respected members of the community, but if it brings positive change to the game, it's worth it.
    imruined wrote: »
    because it makes them one of the cool kids..
    The cool kids are all busy brown-nosing developers. It's the rebellious outcasts left to actually fight for positive change.
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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    I'll be honest here.. I totally agree... but sometimes I think that Cryptic kind of invites this kind of stuff too... while I'll agree that the devs can give some really great items to us... and has... I think that sometimes HOW they respond to valid complaints can kind of create this environment.

    Basically what I'm saying is that Cryptic can put out some really great stuff but SUCK at how they communicate it

    Case in point the new AP torp... arguably overpowered in it's first and second iterations. Community said so... quite often putting out reason why this could be a nightmare.

    Bort comes in and says basically he didn't understand the concerns.

    White Knights come to Bort's defense saying stuff that really didn't help the situation.

    More data is thrown out... including by some people that can be argued that they are white knights.

    Torpedo is changed.

    White Knights say "see you needed patience" when basically Bort was happy with the OP version and probably wouldn't have changed it until after launch... leading us to another issue similiar to the SS issue we're having now.

    I've never said Cryptic were perfect and poor communication is indeed one of their biggest failings, I do agree...

    Having said that, mindless cynicism and attacking Cryptic for everything they do, even promotions and events that are likely to benefit the community (like the individual my comment was directed at has done recently) achieves nothing - if anything, it actually works against reasonable feedback...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The cool kids are all busy brown-nosing developers. It's the rebellious outcasts left to actually fight for positive change.

    This I find amusing, since 'rebellious outcasts' would generally infer they are a minority who goes against the accepted view of the majority, which could actually make them the opposite of the anti-Cryptic lynch mobs on the forums...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    In a world where 600+ Players is a small number (Japali <-- spelled wrong on purpose) We see a drop of 1 zen a month as a major loss! :eek: :D
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  • spockout1spockout1 Member Posts: 314 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Wow.

    Reading some of those employee reviews paints a fairly clear picture: a lot of heart and soul toward the bottom getting crushed by the micromanaging top.

    I've worked in a situation like that and it's no fun for anybody.

    The get-it-done-now attitude has come through more and more in this game as time has passed. Patches upon patches after each update, enduring bugs, things that are broken out of the box. Understandable. You can't put out something of quality when the boss is breathing down your neck to get it done before quitting time.
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    imruined wrote: »
    This I find amusing, since 'rebellious outcasts' would generally infer they are a minority who goes against the accepted view of the majority, which could actually make them the opposite of the anti-Cryptic lynch mobs on the forums...
    Cryptic does a plenty good job at generating freshly dissatisfied players.

    Not all of them would fall in the "rebellious outcast" category. Most probably make their one complaint on the forums and leave.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    dpsloss88 wrote: »
    http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/11/26/north-american-operations-lower-perfect-world-entertainment-profits#.VRC4tfnF_2H

    All they had to do was repeat what they did with LOR, but no they had to get greedy.
    North American Operations Lower Perfect World Entertainment Profits
    November 26, 2014 - GamePolitics Staff

    at that point i stop reading and closed the window, its a doom thread.
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  • rossclansforce1rossclansforce1 Member Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    spockout1 wrote: »
    Wow.

    Reading some of those employee reviews paints a fairly clear picture: a lot of heart and soul toward the bottom getting crushed by the micromanaging top.

    I've worked in a situation like that and it's no fun for anybody.

    The get-it-done-now attitude has come through more and more in this game as time has passed. Patches upon patches after each update, enduring bugs, things that are broken out of the box. Understandable. You can't put out something of quality when the boss is breathing down your neck to get it done before quitting time.

    That is exactly why I support the entire team working on the game. They take what they have and the time given then push it through. There isn't always enough time to iron out issues and it affects all of us. Sadly there are still people bent on season 1 issues. All we can do is sit back and try to enjoy what we have now.
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Perfect World also said that it is localizing Neverwinter for the Chinese market.

    I wonder if the neverwinter gamers should take notice of this. ^^
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    at that point i stop reading and closed the window, its a doom thread.

    Funny thing i read doom but for neverwinter players lol

    Perfect World also said that it is localizing Neverwinter for the Chinese market.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Cryptic does a plenty good job at generating freshly dissatisfied players.

    Not all of them would fall in the "rebellious outcast" category. Most probably make their one complaint on the forums and leave.

    If I take those 250 players I have in my friend list as well as fleet mates from the 5 fleets I’m in into account I have to agree with you to 100%.

    The way I see it cryptic only manages through the event structure to keep a lot of players to log in. But even those public participants’ numbers from “free dil” events like CC turn out half as large as they have been a year ago.
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  • reverseandereverseande Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Just about every forum has their share of sycophants and brown-nosers. No idea why they're such peons. It's not like the guys at Cryptic will give them free ships as a reward for their fielty.

    And I think I'll leave this right here:

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Cryptic-Studios-Reviews-E267596.htm

    thats exactly why I dont get it .I know its not only on these forums...its in all games .This should be studied lol
  • imruinedimruined Member Posts: 1,457 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Actually took a closer look at the article, STO (let alone Cryptic) is NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the article... Not once, anywhere in the article...

    OP seems to be clutching at straws with this one...
    The entitlement is strong in these forums...

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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    From the article:
    "In view of US subsidiary's recent performance and near-term business outlook that are below our expectations, we recognized acquisition-related impairments in this quarter," said CEO Robert Xiao in a statement.

    "However, we are still confident in the long-term prospects of our US subsidiary given its strong R&D and operational capabilities as well as promising pipeline."

    I have no knowledge of big business, but it looks to me like PW are growing their American wing too quickly and have lost profit as a result. I remember hearing that PW buying Warframe was in the works, I'm guessing that's not the case now.

    The article barely has any information at all, I hardly think it's quite time to ring the church bells just yet I'm afraid.
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    imruined wrote: »
    Actually took a closer look at the article, STO (let alone Cryptic) is NOT EVEN MENTIONED in the article... Not once, anywhere in the article...

    OP seems to be clutching at straws with this one...
    Someone else recovered it for him; PWI doesn't have all that many NA holdings, and fewer subsidiaries.

    The name Runic Games sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it. Looks like Cryptic is their main NA asset, and it sounds like whoever gave the speech did their best to reference that without directly naming Cryptic.

    Still, old news is old.

    For some new news, it sounds like they finished the overhaul of The 2800. I thought with Matt's departure that that would be out of the question, as it sounds like he was the one spearheading the revamps of all the old episode content.
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  • shandypandyshandypandy Member Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Just about every forum has their share of sycophants and brown-nosers. No idea why they're such peons. It's not like the guys at Cryptic will give them free ships as a reward for their fielty.

    And I think I'll leave this right here:

    http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Cryptic-Studios-Reviews-E267596.htm

    And I think I'll leave this quote from the first thing on there:
    The environment favors autistic people who own dogs.

    Lol.
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    The name Runic Games sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it.

    They are the developers behind the Torchlight games. I didn't even know PW owned them.
  • themariethemarie Member Posts: 1,055 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    An interesting thing to consider...

    Often times large companies will take and sell off a profitable division to raise cash in a hurry.

    Be interesting if the job cuts and internal shuffling were precursors to a sell-off. :)
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    coupaholic wrote: »
    They are the developers behind the Torchlight games. I didn't even know PW owned them.
    That explains why it sounds familiar.

    What is PWE doing wasting so much talent? Those guys constitute a sizable core of the original Diablo/D2 developers. They only left Blizzard when Blizzard shot down D3 being an MMO.

    It's possibly one of the greatest concentrations of developer talent out there atm.
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  • a3001a3001 Member Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    *Examines time stamp on article* November 26, 2014.....Yeeaaaaaaahhhh...Alot can happen between 4th and 1st quarter.
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  • bobbydazlersbobbydazlers Member Posts: 4,534 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    profit down is still profit, when they start making a loss is the time you need to worry.

    there could be many reasons for a profit dip including world economy being down as it is.

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  • originalspockoriginalspock Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Again the losers regale us with their tales of doom and woe for the Nth year in a row. Talk about miserable masochists who just too proud to admit their predictions failed. Their predictions have been as accurate as the Mayan calendar conspiracy. I am waiting for new world order and illuminati news paper clippings to be mathematically associated with Cryptic. Keep up the mental backflips trolls. Nothing will ever change because you post mental sickness all over a forum that allows you to post your nonsensical rants unabated for free. Everytime you post, you represent the very stark contradiction to Cryptics ability to be magnanimous, even when said posts are the most empty headed nose picking drool sessions on the internet. Until then I will be having a bottle of 2010' troll tears with a fine steak dinner. Toodles.
  • rosetyler51rosetyler51 Member Posts: 1,631 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Yes. Cryptic has a TON of stuff to answer for and fix but threads like this, the thread where someone made a bomb threat against them, neato sigs, and "craptic" is so far from right the only way you could see it in your lifetime would be be go so fast you became lizards.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Every time I see a thread like this one, the following thought always occurs to me:

    What would happen if Cryptic admitted to these folks, "Yup. You're correct! You got us! That's for sure. Okay, then. Hey, Fred? Go shut down the server farm. All of it. No. Don't leave the forum parts running. Turn it all off. We're done here."
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  • chiyoumikuchiyoumiku Member Posts: 1,028 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Okay Obvious Troll is obvious. heesh. He got exactly what he wanted from everyone.
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