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Those of you Debating S'taass' gender, Kestral weighed in on Twitter

sirboulevardsirboulevard Member Posts: 722 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
He's a dude.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You mean that tweet wasn't about Admiral Quinn?
  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I'm guessing this was only really a problem for a certain subgroup of RP'ers. :D
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    sirboulevard wrote: »
    He's a dude.

    Thank you Kestrel. The whole debate was stupid beyond belief.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    You guys ruined the mystery surrounding Stass's sex and I can never forgive you now. I would like to refute kestrel's claim by asking, how do you know Stass's male sounding voice is indicative of him being male? Maybe the universal translator malfunctioned and assigned him a male tone of voice. Maybe gorn are hermaphrodites and reproduce asexually.
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why am I glad that I missed this entire conversation?

    you're not alone :)
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    In light of kestrel claiming Stass is male on Twitter, the following question must be asked: if there are male gorn, then there must necessarily be female gorn. Consequently, we should be able to make female gorn captains in the character creator. What are your thoughts on this and would you like to be able to play a female gorn?
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Want JJ gorn. They are cooler.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    What's funny is that it proved a certain know-it-all wrong :p.
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  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    In light of kestrel claiming Stass is male on Twitter, the following question must be asked: if there are male gorn, then there must necessarily be female gorn. Consequently, we should be able to make female gorn captains in the character creator. What are your thoughts on this and would you like to be able to play a female gorn?

    Without some scanning or asking how would you tell a male and female gorn apart?

    Reptiles don't produce milk for their young so that bit of obvious dimorphism isn't necessarily there as a cue.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Want JJ gorn. They are cooler.

    I wouldn't mind JJ gorn variants to spice things up a little. Would you like JJ female gorn though?

    Also, my understanding was that the Gorn in TOS were quite technologically advanced so shouldn't that be reflected in STO by giving gorn characters boosts to science powers similar to the kinds of innate bonuses trill have? In fact, Cryptic could release female gorn and give them these sorts of innate racial science bonuses.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    Without some scanning or asking how would you tell a male and female gorn apart?

    Reptiles don't produce milk for their young so that bit of obvious dimorphism isn't necessarily there as a cue.

    I believe there are differences in the males and females in JJ trek.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    Without some scanning or asking how would you tell a male and female gorn apart?

    Reptiles don't produce milk for their young so that bit of obvious dimorphism isn't necessarily there as a cue.

    They could give female gorn different color options for their scales and/or have unique innate traits like the ones I suggested above.
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  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    I believe there are differences in the males and females in JJ trek.

    It could very well be that I saw the JJ Gorn but did not realize they were Gorn.

    I had to look up if the furless felinoids waking up with Kirk were supposed to be Caitians.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    It could very well be that I saw the JJ Gorn but did not realize they were Gorn.

    I had to look up if the furless felinoids waking up with Kirk were supposed to be Caitians.

    They were...unfortunately...
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  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    I believe there are differences in the males and females in JJ trek.

    Female Gorn are supposed to be bigger than the males, by quite a large margin. Probably why they aren't in game as it would be too much effort to change all the uniforms and the like for something KDF.
  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Why am I glad that I missed this entire conversation?

    I wasn't even aware it was a conversation. There were a couple of offhand comments made in the thread announcing the new Brotherhood of the Sword ground STF, of all things, and apparently this eventually lead to someone bugging peeps at Cryptic about it.

    Again, I'm not quite sure why this was such an issue. In game dialogue clearly used male pronouns when referring to S'taass.
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  • zathri83zathri83 Member Posts: 514 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Waiting for the pvpers to complain about this in 5..4..
  • zipagatzipagat Member Posts: 1,204 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    How did people get the impression S'tass wasn't male anyway? I mean he is referred to as such in the game, plus his translated voice is male. He is also not big enough to be a female Gorn.
  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zipagat wrote: »
    Female Gorn are supposed to be bigger than the males, by quite a large margin. Probably why they aren't in game as it would be too much effort to change all the uniforms and the like for something KDF.

    Is it because the uniforms don't scale well? I don't understand why it would be difficult to add them in.
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  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    knuhteb5 wrote: »
    In light of kestrel claiming Stass is male on Twitter, the following question must be asked: if there are male gorn, then there must necessarily be female gorn. Consequently, we should be able to make female gorn captains in the character creator. What are your thoughts on this and would you like to be able to play a female gorn?

    While we're at it, are we going to ask for female Nausicaans and Letheans as well?
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  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    zipagat wrote: »
    How did people get the impression S'tass wasn't male anyway? I mean he is referred to as such in the game, plus his translated voice is male. He is also not big enough to be a female Gorn.

    He's a pretty big guy, so maybe some thought that was the right size for a female Gorn.

    As for the other obvious signs, I think some folk willingly overlooked them, for whatever reason....
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  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    We should have female Gorn, Nausicans and Letheans. Its one of the things that make the KDF seem so backwards and outdated.
  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    furiontassadar wrote: »
    He's a pretty big guy, so maybe some thought that was the right size for a female Gorn.

    As for the other obvious signs, I think some folk willingly overlooked them, for whatever reason....

    Which was a flawed assumption considering there are zero female gorns ever seen in this version of Trek. That means nothing to base size on...
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    furiontassadar wrote: »
    While we're at it, are we going to ask for female Nausicaans and Letheans as well?

    Introducing female nausicaans makes sense but female Letheans? Letheans creep me out way too much; imagine creepy female letheans running around q'nos all up on your ships and in your crews. Seriously, hide your targs, hide your significant other!
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  • thatcursedwolfthatcursedwolf Member Posts: 1,617 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    They were...unfortunately...

    Given that the set of current humans who have attempted to gain a cat like appearance through surgery is not an empty set, I could have seen catgirl conversions being a thing in the future. And that is what I hoped they were and not Caitians.

    Given the complaints of "forehead aliens" in scifi shows, now that CGI is good enough I'd have preferred he left Caitians as the cartoon/STO bipedal feline alien. It's not as if the Kirk of old would have cared.
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  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    ashkrik23 wrote: »
    Thank you Kestrel. The whole debate was stupid beyond belief.

    I have to agree.
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    thatcursedwolf wrote: »
    Given that the set of current humans who have attempted to gain a cat like appearance through surgery is not an empty set, I could have seen catgirl conversions being a thing in the future. And that is what I hoped they were and not Caitians.

    Given the complaints of "forehead aliens" in scifi shows, now that CGI is good enough I'd have preferred he left Caitians as the cartoon/STO bipedal feline alien. It's not as if the Kirk of old would have cared.

    Tell me you are joking.
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  • themetalstickmanthemetalstickman Member Posts: 1,010 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Why was this ever a debate? Too many Tumblr feminists on the forums?
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,007 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I have literally no idea what is going on. Reading up on it I am with Valoreah on the matter :D
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