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Klingon & fleet ship module question
ret2023
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What's a good ship for a tactical Klingon or in my case a Ferasan? Do i need to have 2000 zen for 4 fleet ship module or is it just 500 zen for 4 fleet ship modules? I'm thinking of getting the fleet Mogh battle cruiser, but I want to know if there's something better for my tactical KDF toon.
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Of course, this is just my opinion and I'm sure everyone else would go with the Mogh.
Even with the Fleet version of the Mogh, it's still a T5-U.
Plus, a T6 ship will be waiting for your new toon, should you create another.
In any case, the Fleet upgrade costs 500zen (1 Fleet Ship Module) if you purchased the CStore version of the ship.
Otherwise you're looking at 4 FSM's + stuffs.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
There will eventually be a fleet version, but who knows when.
If you want something heavily tac focused, then you may want to go with the new T6 with 5 forward. If you are having trouble surviving, and think you need the slight increase that the fleet ships will have, then it might be a good idea to first look into ways to improve your survivability better.
I have bought fleet ships, and found them to be a waste for most players, because they don't give much of an increase for the amount paid for them. Plus, they are only unlocked for that one character.
Also, any T5 ships that you get now will need an upgrade token to make it T5-U, which is still lacking what the T6 will offer. In fact, you will end up spending more for a T5 after upgrading it than you will for a T6. Not a smart move on the part of the developers in charge, but that is the way they set it up.
If you think that you need a fleet ship, for whatever reason, I recommend waiting till they eventually bring out the T6 fleet ships. No doubt they will also be overpriced for what little you get, but it will most likely have the extra console, and slightly more hull and shield hp than the normal T6.
My old Ferasan also loved the Bort, but due to lack of use and the arrival of romulans I removed him from the line up.
The best choice for a KDF Tactical Captian is the T6 Mat'Ha Raptor, in my opinion. I just love mine, it's out of this game-world.
That said, much of this boils down to your playstyle, what you're comfortable with, how much are you willing to spend and wheather you want to spend actual cash/Zen ; dil/Zen or just would purchase fleet ship modules for EC from the exchnage.
Still, I'll mention a few other options that others have already spoken about:
- Fleet B'rel T5-U. If you like classics and don't mind the ship to be on the squishy side as all BoPs are, the B'rel can be a really really good ship for a tactical character. With the all universal setup, you can do a plethora of different Boff combinations, the ehnanced battle cloak sure is nice and the upgraded one gets a 4-th tactical console, giving it solid tactical potential.
- If you like ships that are on the ugly side and don't mind them being squishy, another good BoP for a tactical char would be the Hoh'Sus. Same as the B'rel, only without EBC and sligtly bigger pure tactical potential.
- Another is the Ning'Tao (Fleet Norgh) BoP, but you really have to estimate for yourself wheateher the additional Lt.Commander level universal Boff slot is a good tradeoff for 1 less console slot (3 tactical ones) for you.
- If you want something that is more seriously tanky, but still good to go for a tactical character - you may want to check out the Tor'kaht (Fleet Vor'Cha). It's a pretty solid battlecruiser with enough tactical power to make it work, while at the same time being sufficiently engineering ship with much staying and tanking power.
- The Mogh is also in there with the Tor'Kaht on same terms with some slight variations. Depends on how you play, it has the 5/3 weapon slot layout and some people prefer that over the traditional 4/4, but it's up to you.
- If you want to play a ship like you would play a Federation cruiser, then the Command Bortasqu' can get the job pretty much done. 4 tactical consoles, very flexible Boff layout, sensor analysis. It's a really good ship on it's own terms, just don't expect to use it as a KDF ship - it plays like a traditional Fed cruiser even though it has access to cloak and can mount DHCs.
- At the end, you may want to take a look at the Fleet Kar'fi if you're into carriers. It can be a really good ship for tactical characters, it's the fastest carrier, good tactical potential, great 4/3 weapons setup and access to good frigate pets.
Note that for any fleet ship you want to get it will cost 4 (5 for Kar'fi I think) fleet ship modules if you don't own the Tier 5 C-Store version or if there is no Tier 5 C-Store version (like the case of the Hoh'Sus that doesn't have a C-Store version, or the Ning'Tao which is at Tier 3 C-Store, not Tier 5). You can get the discount and have a fleet ship cost of 1 module only if you own the T5 C-Store version.
All of that said, I'm saving for a T6 bugship for my own tactical Ferasan. Yes, you can que the ENT theme song now...:(
4 fleet modules = 2000z
1 upgrade token = 700z
1 t6 ship = 3000z
However; pick up the upgrade from the exchange for around 8mil ec (rounded), and it's a full 1000z cheaper.
So what exactly am I missing here?
For us KDF folk just about all of the fleet variants cost the full 4 modules so prior ownership of a c-store ship doesn't much come into play. Most of the KDF t6 ship traits are TRIBBLE from what I've seen, so why bother? A T5U Fleet ship gets a console above the T6. As for the extra Boff skill, sure it might be useful but I can do what I need to with the 12 I have now.
So to me, in a logical sense, sure it's only a 300z difference but why use it when it's only going to gain me a useless trait and an unneeded boff skill?
And I won't even go into the new Command battle cruisers that have been stripped of cruiser commands...
Not sure who said that 2.7k is more than 3k, but just to clarify in this context - the 2.7k Zen would be a per character unlock where the 3k is account wide. Unless you own the C-Store version of the T5 fleet ship you're upgrading which will then grant a discount on FSMs, but bump the price to 3.2k Zen which is greater than 3k, and in some cases with 2.5k Zen ships the fleet + upgrade combo will cost 3.7k Zen.
Not saying which is better or worse, just clarifying facts for the sake of correct information.
Also technically you can get the fleet ship modules for EC from the exchange as well as the upgrade token, so it could mean it's not only 1000, but 3000 Zen cheaper if you don't count the time and effort that went into obtaining those ECs.
There is a plethora of reasons to pick a T6 over a T5-U or vice-versa. For some it's stats. For others - the design. For someone else the console/Boff layout. And so on and on.
For ex. I wanted the T6 Mat'Ha because it's one of the coolest looking ships in the game, I love the idea of the 'spinal cannon' and the ship had the layout I knew I'd love and enjoy.
Got the Qib to support the faction and for the trait on my dogfighting ships, granted this was before we came to realize that PvP is totally and possibly irreversably dead in this game. The new tactical command cruiser's trait is pretty awesome, though.
This is not true. They haven't been "stripped" of cruiser commands, they have access to 50% of the cruiser commands. They have access to the same cruiser commands the Orion FDCs have had since the inception of the comm array system and these command cruisers are FDCs just as the Orion ones, so that's to be expected.
As for buying the FSMs off the exchange, yeah you can do that too and make the price real money free, but then again you can grind out the dil to exchange to make the t6 real money free. Of course this makes the entire argument pointless so wtf are we going on about? lol
I guess it all boils down to "to each their own", unfortunately 'my own' is that the t6 kdf ships are useless in their entirety. Actually I recently purchased the Tac Oddy for my feds after avoiding it like the plague since it was released. The reason being is that is the only ship that is comparable (barely) to my Bort in power, and flight characteristics. I did look long and hard at the fed t6 ships but came to the same conclusion as with the KDF ones.
C-store B'rel 2500 zen
Fleet module 500 zen
T5-U token 700 zen
= 3700 zen
vs 3000 for T6 and you will probably be able to upgrade the T6 again later (depending)
For me personally, I no longer buy anything and only use a single toon with free ships. Everything else is betting against the house.
That right there is what's foolish. If you are doing this on a single character, why buy the c-store version when getting the modules AND token is only 2700z? The only reason to buy the c-store version at this point would be if you plan to get the fleet version for multiple characters, and let's face it, those of us who have been around for a long time probably already have most of the c-store ships prior to the T6 TRIBBLE, so no matter how you look at it a T5U fleet ship is cheaper than a T6 ship.
Personally OP, I would not waste money on a T5 in the KDF. The vast majority of our T5 Fleet ships cost us 4 FSMs and not only that, are single character purchases. Then you'd have to get an Upgrade Token to take them to T5U.
Then you're going to have the devil like me tell you that in the Post-DR world, T5 is the new T4. T5 is dead end development and they're not getting better.
I will also say this... Unless you already own the B'Rel already, do not go for one now, much less the Fleet version. Do not go for the other T5 BOPs for the same reasons I listed for them being T5. 4 FSMs for a single character purchase for out of date ships is a steep asking price.
This is while the T6 ships, the Mat'ha and Qib are still awaiting the Fleet versions, so they can only get better. As C-Store purchases, they are also Faction Account-wide unlocks. When the Fleet versions come out, it will be cheaper to acquire them and across any KDF toons you have.
The T6 KDF ships out there are, in general, quite good.
Mat'ha - High powered, damage dealing Escort. 5 fwd weapons, 5 TAC consoles, a solid BOFF layout. It cuts through the game with ease. Simply put, this ship is the KDF's Buzzsaw. Stuff simply goes "poof" when you shoot, on top of being a tough Escort. Awaiting fleet version.
Qib Intel Cruiser - Full-fledged Intel Cruiser. Very solid, extremely maneuverable cruiser. Outstanding and very flexible BOFF layout. This layout is very deceiving and lets you go more offensive if you so wish, due to the Cmdr Intel/ENG Hybrid station. What makes it special among all the game's true Intel ships, is that it is a Battle Cruiser with Battle Cloak. Only the Rom Faeht Intel Warbird has it better with an Enhanced Battle Cloak. Between the Cruisers out there with Cruiser Commands & Warp Cores, it is the ONLY one with Battle Cloak.
Tactical Command FDC - Solid ship and a good BOFF layout. Personally, I think Command BOFF abilities are complete garbage but it doesn't change the fact that this Command FDC has a good BOFF and Console layout. As a FDC it shares the common characteristic of other FDCs... It lacks the Weapon System Efficiency Cruiser Command so that energy weapons drain less weapons power. The commands the ship comes with are Shield and Attract Fire Commands. Also, like all other Command Cruisers, it is already at Fleet T6 level, unlike the Mat'ha and Qib. Very tough ship but compared to the Qib Intel Cruiser, this is much more sluggish but with decent speccing and gear, it will do fine.