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Investigating Temporarlly-Displaced Particles in Ram Izad System

mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
edited March 2015 in Duty Officer System and R&D
This is a very rare duty officer mission. It lasts 60 hours and rewards 304 skill points, 36 Expertise, 161 Science XP, 50 Dilithium and 20 EC, and it requires 4 DOFFs.


How are the rewards for this mission calculated? It has a poor reward/time and reward/DOFF ratio for a very rare mission.

It might make sense to me if it was part of a Delta Quadrant assignment chain or if it granted some special reward, but it just doesn't.

Is this intentional? Is a reward missing?
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  • welcome2earfwelcome2earf Member Posts: 1,746 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    I agree...some of those missions need payout pass. My concern is that all too often when one thing is buffed/fixed, 5 things get nerfed in return.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015
    How are the rewards for this mission calculated?

    I wish I could offer a simple answer, but there isn't one.

    Having a unified and predictable reward structure present in the entirety of the Doff System is one of those things I'd love to find time to improve.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    Most doff assignments are waste of time. The challenge of the system is to find the good ones. That one is obviously not.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    I wish I could offer a simple answer, but there isn't one.

    Having a unified and predictable reward structure present in the entirety of the Doff System is one of those things I'd love to find time to improve.

    Maybe one day...

    Though I'll say this - I like that some missions are useful to gain dilthium, or others are useful to gain particular items or DOFFs, and others are useful for skill points. I hope any revamp will keep that in mind.

    I can also totally understand that there is a bit of a diminishing return in regards to length vs reward so micro-management is encouraged - it would be boring if the solution was just to pick the longest-lasing DOFF missions.
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  • borticuscrypticborticuscryptic Member Posts: 2,478 Cryptic Developer
    edited March 2015
    mustrumridcully0 wrote: »
    Though I'll say this - I like that some missions are useful to gain dilthium, or others are useful to gain particular items or DOFFs, and others are useful for skill points. I hope any revamp will keep that in mind.

    I can also totally understand that there is a bit of a diminishing return in regards to length vs reward so micro-management is encouraged - it would be boring if the solution was just to pick the longest-lasing DOFF missions.

    Yeah, I agree with all of this. But there should be an understandable way to quantify those differences. Many of the variables currently used in the system are assigned in a "that feels about right" sort of way, rather than performing an actual comparative analysis.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    warpangel wrote: »
    Most doff assignments are waste of time. The challenge of the system is to find the good ones. That one is obviously not.

    It could be intentional since in life there are many choices people can make on a daily basis. Some choices result in better outcomes compared to other choices, but the outcome is not always known. At least in STO you get a general idea of what the payout will be.
  • stealthriderstealthrider Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree with all of this. But there should be an understandable way to quantify those differences. Many of the variables currently used in the system are assigned in a "that feels about right" sort of way, rather than performing an actual comparative analysis.

    For the love of all things still good in this game do not revamp Doff rewards.

    TRIBBLE the bad missions, leave em bad. Just don't ruin the only decent way to get exp left in this game. Hell, it's bad enough that the only decent way to get exp is to not play the game, but to have that last bit removed as well would just make the game completely unplayable from 50-60+.

    Seriously, we already have barely any reason to log in and play for more than ten minutes per day, don't take that away, too.
  • toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree with all of this. But there should be an understandable way to quantify those differences. Many of the variables currently used in the system are assigned in a "that feels about right" sort of way, rather than performing an actual comparative analysis.

    That's what makes it fun.

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  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    stealthrider wrote: »
    For the love of all things still good in this game do not revamp Doff rewards.

    TRIBBLE the bad missions, leave em bad. Just don't ruin the only decent way to get exp left in this game. Hell, it's bad enough that the only decent way to get exp is to not play the game, but to have that last bit removed as well would just make the game completely unplayable from 50-60+.

    Seriously, we already have barely any reason to log in and play for more than ten minutes per day, don't take that away, too.

    i agree.

    please dont 'normalise' doffing rewards like you did to missions and patrols. i pretty much have zero faith that i wouldnt come out of it worse off under even the most generous and the best of circumstances.

    please just leave them as they are.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    stealthrider wrote: »
    TRIBBLE the bad missions, leave em bad. Just don't ruin the only decent way to get exp left in this game. Hell, it's bad enough that the only decent way to get exp is to not play the game, but to have that last bit removed as well would just make the game completely unplayable from 50-60+.

    As a fairly heavy doffer, overall I have to agree. There are some tweaks I'd make here or there to the rewards (more blues on crits of the anomaly scanning assignments?), and perhaps overly-long assignments with low rewards like the example given should be shorter. However, it's not a bad thing to have the assignments all over the map. Sure, I am biased towards the more rewarding ones. But the others are what make it feel like you're sending your crew off to do things.
  • amezukiamezuki Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    Yeah, I agree with all of this. But there should be an understandable way to quantify those differences. Many of the variables currently used in the system are assigned in a "that feels about right" sort of way, rather than performing an actual comparative analysis.
    Are you guys familiar with a data visualization product called Tableau? I've been working on recording all of the costs/rewards/durations of the various assignments in a spreadsheet, and plugging that into Tableau to try to visualize this exact thing--that is, how all of the assignments compare to each other in terms of profitability. It's slow going right now, but mostly because of the need for all the tedious data entry.
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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited March 2015
    borticuscryptic wrote: »
    Many of the variables currently used in the system are assigned in a "that feels about right" sort of way, rather than performing an actual comparative analysis.

    The 20hr, 40hr, and 60hr assignments in the Delta Quadrant tend to give at best equal rewards to 6hr or faster assignments. That can't possibly feel right. :P
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