Why is this even a question? LOL Seriously, Ricardo was the "much more most-est best-est" best ever! Cumberbatch is very good actor, but come one guys. Mr. Roarke kicked TRIBBLE. LOL
I don't think he was augmented quite that dramatically.
So, Khan can lift a fully grown man wearing a heavy environmental suit into the air using only one arm, but crushing a person's skull with two hands is somehow exaggerating the level of his physical augmentation? Do I have that right?
So, Khan can lift a fully grown man wearing a heavy environmental suit into the air using only one arm, but crushing a person's skull with two hands is somehow exaggerating the level of his physical augmentation? Do I have that right?
Read the second part of my post and all shall become clear.
To be fair, Prime Khan was given everything on a silver platter, at first, by Kirk.
Alt-Khan sounds like he was put through the wringer by Marcus, repeatedly beaten with the "family" as threat. He's learned rage, but he's also learned to temper his ego of necessity, and is quite a bit more likely to demonstrate his superiority rather than over-inflate it. The two variation would likely develop very differently because of the difference in how they were treated at discovery.
And TOS Khan was put through the wringer by Kirk stranding him on an uninhabitable world where he saw his wife and friends die. Watching your family and friends die is far more devastating than having some madman threaten a bunch of people in suspended animation. If Marcus killed them, then they would feel nothing unlike having a worm destroy your brain.
Cumberbatch's Khan shouldn't have tried to kill Kirk; the entire idea should have struck him as a huge waste.
Except Kirk flat out told him he was still dragging his but the jail, becuase surprise surprise having a sympathetic backstory doesn't mean you get off for multiple murders.
Plus Khan probably figured he was one of those heroic type starship captains that would feel the need to stop him and he was cutting that lose end. Probably the same reason Marcus figured getting rid of Kirk was a good idea.
Might want to read To Reign in Hell: The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh. It deals with Khan's life on Ceti Alpha V. The only problem I have with Kirk in this situation is that he doesn't take his role as Khan's Jailer seriously. A Jailer is supposed to keep an eye on their prisoners not dump them on some planet and forget about them.
Well according to the Vanguard books if the T'kon weren't pricks. Khan and co. would have been fine.
And TOS Khan was put through the wringer by Kirk stranding him on an uninhabitable world where he saw his wife and friends die. Watching your family and friends die is far more devastating than having some madman threaten a bunch of people in suspended animation.
Um, the bunch of people in suspended animation, were the afore mentioned family and friends. So why would if care if they die in one universe but not in another.
Personally I though both Khans complemented each other as Montalban Khan was Khan with his affable evil Bond villain stick that he uses to wine and dine potential minions and subjects, and Cumberbatch Khan shows that under that affable evil Bond villain stick is a ruthless warlord who won't hesitate to put down his enemies (which a guy who takes over 1/4 of the planet would probably need to be).
And TOS Khan was put through the wringer by Kirk stranding him on an uninhabitable world where he saw his wife and friends die. Watching your family and friends die is far more devastating than having some madman threaten a bunch of people in suspended animation. If Marcus killed them, then they would feel nothing unlike having a worm destroy your brain.
No. Having a mad man with all the power use you family as a control mechanism to use you as a weapon in a time and place that's not your own is worse than being exiled to a perfectly habitable world that would challenge your cunning (as Khan put it) to rule over.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
No. Having a mad man with all the power use you family as a control mechanism to use you as a weapon in a time and place that's not your own is worse than being exiled to a perfectly habitable world that would challenge your cunning (as Khan put it) to rule over.
And I quote again:
"You mean you never told him the tale? To amuse your captain? No? Never told him how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996, with myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?"
"I've never even met Admiral Kirk."
"ADMIRAL?? Admiral?!? Admiral. Never told you how Admiral Kirk sent seventy of us into exile on this barren sandheap, with only the contents of these cargo bays to sustain us?"
"You lie! On Ceti Alpha V there was life - a fair chance--"
"THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!" [calming] "Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months after we were left here. The shock shifted the orbit of this planet, and everything was laid waste. 'Admiral' Kirk never bothered to check on our progress. It was only the fact of my genetically-engineered intellect that allowed us to survive."
And from later in that scene:
"Allow me to introduce you to Ceti Alpha V's only remaining indigenous life form. It killed many of my people, including my beloved wife. Oh, not all at once, no - and not quickly, to be sure. You see, the young enter through the ear, and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to, ah, suggestion. Later, as they grow, follows madness - and death."
Compare watching this happening over the years (along with the environmental disasters), to knowing that your people are still safely in cryogenic suspension, and will remain so - as long as you aren't caught disobeying. Oh, and while you do owe these people everything (as they owe everything to you), none of them are actually your wife.
TWoK Khan was insane, and justifiably so. STID Khan was just really, really angry.
"You mean you never told him the tale? To amuse your captain? No? Never told him how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996, with myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?"
"I've never even met Admiral Kirk."
"ADMIRAL?? Admiral?!? Admiral. Never told you how Admiral Kirk sent seventy of us into exile on this barren sandheap, with only the contents of these cargo bays to sustain us?"
"You lie! On Ceti Alpha V there was life - a fair chance--"
"THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!" [calming] "Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months after we were left here. The shock shifted the orbit of this planet, and everything was laid waste. 'Admiral' Kirk never bothered to check on our progress. It was only the fact of my genetically-engineered intellect that allowed us to survive."
And from later in that scene:
"Allow me to introduce you to Ceti Alpha V's only remaining indigenous life form. It killed many of my people, including my beloved wife. Oh, not all at once, no - and not quickly, to be sure. You see, the young enter through the ear, and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to, ah, suggestion. Later, as they grow, follows madness - and death."
Compare watching this happening over the years (along with the environmental disasters), to knowing that your people are still safely in cryogenic suspension, and will remain so - as long as you aren't caught disobeying. Oh, and while you do owe these people everything (as they owe everything to you), none of them are actually your wife.
TWoK Khan was insane, and justifiably so. STID Khan was just really, really angry.
Insane yes, justifiable, no. Kirk didn't abandon him on an inhospitable planet, it became that by accident, sure the slug thing was a bit of an oversight, but Khan in 'Space Seed' saw the planet as a worthy challenge, he knew what he was getting in to.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
"Justifiably" because he spent fifteen years watching people die, several of them to the madness induced by the brain-slug-thing, and because he couldn't do a thing to stop it. For a man dwelling as much as he did on his former position of power, that would be maddening, in several senses of the word. And Kirk was somewhat to blame - in a decade and a half, even after becoming an admiral in Starfleet Operations, it never occurred to him to send so much as a followup probe to see what had become of the genetic "supermen" he'd dropped off there? For all he knew, Khan and the Professor had built a warp drive out of coconuts, and were preparing to assault the rest of the galaxy in their bamboo warship...
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So, Khan can lift a fully grown man wearing a heavy environmental suit into the air using only one arm, but crushing a person's skull with two hands is somehow exaggerating the level of his physical augmentation? Do I have that right?
Oh, you were referencing the 'bear' thing. Carry on.
And TOS Khan was put through the wringer by Kirk stranding him on an uninhabitable world where he saw his wife and friends die. Watching your family and friends die is far more devastating than having some madman threaten a bunch of people in suspended animation. If Marcus killed them, then they would feel nothing unlike having a worm destroy your brain.
Except Kirk flat out told him he was still dragging his but the jail, becuase surprise surprise having a sympathetic backstory doesn't mean you get off for multiple murders.
Plus Khan probably figured he was one of those heroic type starship captains that would feel the need to stop him and he was cutting that lose end. Probably the same reason Marcus figured getting rid of Kirk was a good idea.
Well according to the Vanguard books if the T'kon weren't pricks. Khan and co. would have been fine.
Um, the bunch of people in suspended animation, were the afore mentioned family and friends. So why would if care if they die in one universe but not in another.
Personally I though both Khans complemented each other as Montalban Khan was Khan with his affable evil Bond villain stick that he uses to wine and dine potential minions and subjects, and Cumberbatch Khan shows that under that affable evil Bond villain stick is a ruthless warlord who won't hesitate to put down his enemies (which a guy who takes over 1/4 of the planet would probably need to be).
Hehe
Oop.
No. Having a mad man with all the power use you family as a control mechanism to use you as a weapon in a time and place that's not your own is worse than being exiled to a perfectly habitable world that would challenge your cunning (as Khan put it) to rule over.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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"You mean you never told him the tale? To amuse your captain? No? Never told him how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space from the year 1996, with myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?"
"I've never even met Admiral Kirk."
"ADMIRAL?? Admiral?!? Admiral. Never told you how Admiral Kirk sent seventy of us into exile on this barren sandheap, with only the contents of these cargo bays to sustain us?"
"You lie! On Ceti Alpha V there was life - a fair chance--"
"THIS IS CETI ALPHA V!!" [calming] "Ceti Alpha VI exploded six months after we were left here. The shock shifted the orbit of this planet, and everything was laid waste. 'Admiral' Kirk never bothered to check on our progress. It was only the fact of my genetically-engineered intellect that allowed us to survive."
And from later in that scene:
"Allow me to introduce you to Ceti Alpha V's only remaining indigenous life form. It killed many of my people, including my beloved wife. Oh, not all at once, no - and not quickly, to be sure. You see, the young enter through the ear, and wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. This has the effect of rendering the victim extremely susceptible to, ah, suggestion. Later, as they grow, follows madness - and death."
Compare watching this happening over the years (along with the environmental disasters), to knowing that your people are still safely in cryogenic suspension, and will remain so - as long as you aren't caught disobeying. Oh, and while you do owe these people everything (as they owe everything to you), none of them are actually your wife.
TWoK Khan was insane, and justifiably so. STID Khan was just really, really angry.
Insane yes, justifiable, no. Kirk didn't abandon him on an inhospitable planet, it became that by accident, sure the slug thing was a bit of an oversight, but Khan in 'Space Seed' saw the planet as a worthy challenge, he knew what he was getting in to.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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