JJ's version of "Star Trek" is trying to recapture the glory days. "Star Trek '09" and "Star Trek: Into Darkness" were all about repackaging old concepts. Do you know what the problem is? JJ's version of "Star Trek" represents the overall issue. Instead of discovering new worlds and species, JJ's movies recycled old species, civilizations, and stories. ...and, that is what caused "Star Trek: Enterprise" to become cancelled.
Franchise fatigue is what killed the "Star Trek" brand.
"Star Trek", the franchise, needs to take a thirty to forty year hiatus.
Agreed about JJ-trek; ultimately it's backwards looking which is not a good way ahead. Can't agree that SW is also dead - judge that after the next batch of movies - and likewise being old is not an inherent issue.
Look at Doctor Who - regularly getting >10% of ALL primetime UK viewers in its last series - yet older than Trek. Trek needs an equivalent relaunch, by someone who is both a good writer and a fan who understands what does and doesn't work in the format. Critically, though, modern DW has hit the right mark of acknowledging the old series while looking forwards.
With this anniversary event, I was almost ready to get excited again, but the implementation was so poor it just hammered some more nails in. At this point I have to wonder if the devs even care any more? Just pump out the TRIBBLE and people will learn to work around all the bugs, they've done it for years already.
As for the sidetracked discussion. It was pretty clear the old guard of writers for Trek were burned out badly, ENT crashing wasn't because of a bad intro song, lack of speach on the intro or any other such non-sense. Voyager was a disaster in writing, it was unoriginal, mostly recycled plots, by the end of season 2 they just gave up on most of the crew and we ended up with ultra shallow, singular facetted characters like Torres, Chakotay, Kim. They dump Kes to bring in new blood to write about and latch onto the Doctor and Seven.
Did ENT stand a chance after this? The writers were completely dead inside and they jump straight into another series, don't want to stop the trek gravy train, do we? We got more filler episodes than ever, pretty sure given another season the holodeck that didn't exist was going to break down. How many mystery alien species just outside our solar system can be there really?
The stuff that was good, was great, the stuff that filled in between advancing the plot was terrible. Star Trek was old idelogy, Berman didn't want to change because Roddenberry's old style was like law to them, it worked in the 80s, so why not after 2000?. Eventually DS9 (run by people NOT doing TNG, VOY, and ENT) were given the go ahead to make a plot, but it was still spaced out with too much filler, Trek was so far behind in style. After the TRIBBLE up with Voyager, they should have dumped alot of the writing staff and got some new ideas going.
I do agree with the OP to an extent. I don't like where STO is going.
To put it into context, I was chatting with someone at a local Sci-fi
convention this past weekend and the topic of STO came up. Now this person is currently playing World of Tanks and asked me if STO is worth playing. I gave him as honest overall answer as I could give: STO has decent gameplay and solid stories and nods to Prime Universe Trek, but the grind for the really good stuff is not worth it, IMO.
Thank you for the time...
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Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
Full, Story-driven, select from start 1-50 Klingon Side
Scrap current Lock Box & Lobi system for something more reasonable
Expand Dil and Rep/Fleet Marks to regular story content
To the OP ... , yes I too have been "not feeling it" for a while now .
The Old STF's kept me hanging on, but the timers since DR slowly eroded the flame .
Sometimes I find myself doing Tour just to watch an old ship fly again ... , be that a Miranda, an NX, or a T'Kyr .
Yup, that's how low it got for me in attempting to look for something that made me happy .
So anyways, PaLL, and I hope the game will still be here when you get that itch .
On the other hand, "Star Trek" and "Star Wars" have pretty much run their course.
Not meaning to be mean, but do you know how much kiester SW has been kicking ever since the CGI animated Clone Wars debuted ?
That animated show came as close to doing Star Trek as anything I have ever seen .
There are whole story arcs that deal in a roundabout way with my favorite TNG EP "The Measure of Man" with exploring what clones are , how do they differ despite being clones and the ethical and moral quandary of using living beings as cannon fodder "because that's what they were made for" .
Sure, it gets off to a slow start but by the end of the first season things get better and better and as a show that can pause and focus on elements, it's a monumental blessing for the SW universe , so much so that because of it, I have zero fear of how JJ might TRIBBLE up the SW universe .
And just to point out that all of the above comes from someone who generally rolled his eyes whenever SW was brought up in a convo, as Trek to me was always a more enjoyable , more mature experience .
And to my delight , someone who made the Clone Wars show felt the same way (in a way) , and they wanted to tell stories about morality and the murky thing we call "truth" , just as much as they wanted lighsabers and pew-pew .
The followup show that's just started (Rebels) is pretty much by the same team (for the first season they had as an extra producer the guy who created "Gargoyles") , and that show just took off running (with a twis, as it now depicts the Storm Troopers from the original triology ... , so that adds an element of silliness) .
... yeah... , so SW ... So Much More alive then Trek is right now ...
Completely agree but the JJ Abrams here will think that you're crazy. They'll tell you that it's fun to grind. That it's okay to pay to progress. That nothing is wrong here and they'll continue to support this draconian model that most 5 yos can see is a bad deal.
It's a really strange thing to witness people who you would normally think would have a sense of reason or logic who actually ironically sometimes play vulcans themselves but who lack the capacity to understand exactly what they are supporting with their time and money.
It reminds me of that guy who was immitating Tuvok in the episode "Live fast and prosper", they have the sound and the look but they lack all of the things that matter.
It's the weirdest thing to see these people come into the MMO genre suddenly (which started in 2011) and see them take over these games and just completely ruin the MMO genre by allowing these developers to just continue on breaking these awesome IPs by supporting draconian changes in the name of greed.
It's a really strange thing to witness people who you would normally think would have a sense of reason or logic who actually ironically sometimes play vulcans themselves but who lack the capacity to understand exactly what they are supporting with their time and money.
People's time is theirs to do with as they wish, as is their money. There are people who spend hundreds of hours a year on Stamp Collecting; and many thousands of dollars doing it. To me that seems like an incredibly foolish thing to do. But here is the thing you fail to understand: to each their own. What you enjoy others hate, and vice-versa.
You no-longer like the game but cannot bring yourself to leave it. That speaks more of you then it does the game. When it finally occurs to you to use some of that Vulcan logic you mentioned above it might actually sink in that your 5 years are up. You had a good run but now it is time for you to find other things to enjoy. Just as you can grow tired of novels, movie franchises, TV shows, music, etc, you can also grow tired of a specific video game.
It is sad when your favorite TV show turns crappy to you but you can spend all your time crying to heaven about it or you can just turn the channel and find a new one to entertain you - same with video games. STO is an old game, and it is FTP. It is not going to change. This is how they have decided to make money from this game. If it is not for you then just find something that is. Trying to hold onto the past is only TRIBBLE with your entertainment future.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I am amused by the claims that MMO grinding was a sudden addition to MMOs that never appeared before STO went F2P.
You are aware of the concept of "seasons" of gear in WoW, for instance, right? And the fact that if you were wearing the wrong tier, or the wrong season, of gear, there were parts of the game's storyline you could never play through, because they required a group and no group would take someone dressed so tackily? So you had to go through the same dungeons over and over, hoping against hope that a) the gear you needed in order to continue playing the game would drop (not exactly a guarantee), and b) nobody else in the group would claim it before you. And no, you couldn't just go buy it - it wasn't available for sale, even after they started doing microtransactions to back up their subscription income.
Imagine if, in order to finish fighting the Vaadwaur, you needed a T6 ship - and not just any T6 ship, but one that had been issued no more than six months prior. Your own skill, your weapons layout, your build - none of that would matter; having the wrong ship would mean you simply would not be given the opportunity to try. And none of this "T5U" or "T5 and massive DPS" stuff, either - the latest T6 or get out.
And that's in a subscription game, and a trend dating back at least to 2005 (the year I took it up). Makes the "grinding" in here look downright pitiful, to be honest - I'd been cruising through the Delta content just fine in my T5 Odyssey prototype from I think two anniversaries ago, with no one to tell me I wasn't allowed to play in the quadrant because my "gearscore" wasn't good enough. (I'll be continuing it in my Kobali cruiser, in all likelihood, at least to see if it's any better at combat, but I don't have to change out my ships. TRIBBLE, I could try it in a T1, if I wanted to watch a Miranda blow up that often...)
Cry me a river,10 minutes A DAY at the most you call a grind?
Rofl,you kids sure like to complain about everything,not me,for 10 minutes of my time during 16 days i got myself a cool T6 cruiser so im going bow to cryptic and thank them for my FREE ship.
You can go ahead and maybe join an MMO GYM,i mean if after a long long tired grind of 10 minutes a day you say somhing like this and i quote "This anniversary took the wind from my sails as well..."...maybe playing mmos isnt for you...
So funny to see those who complain about those who complain
Makes the forums so much entertaining and vibrant than real play
... who needs to play the game for entertainment, the blogs and resulting forum storms are far more entertaining and free! Free 2 Laugh!
What the bearded fellow in top of me just said.
Wish you would have seen the jedi proffesion grind back in the days of SWG,now that sure was a grind.
Players tend to forget this is an memo and as such there are certain things that come with it,main one is to remember that MMOs evolve that is why one day your hard earned gear/ship/mount etc etc will be obsolete, if you can't deal with that well the memo scene isnt really what you should be playing.
And as the bearded (hoping jolly) fellow on top of me said,if you want the best you will need to grind for for it but no one is making you buy anything,look at the ship he is using and by what ive read he is doing fine.
P.S:
excuse me for any misspellings or weird looking sentence structure s,not used to using it tablet to post in the forums.
The pre nerf jedi grind from SWG
6 months it took me.......yes sir that was a grind of grinds..........It did keep the tailor well stocked and the noobs that followed me around in credits picking the corpses clean
The /chef and armorer/bio engineer got big supply boosts as well from it.The player driven economy was one of the best parts of that game I miss the most
besides the awesome pvp it had
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Agreed about JJ-trek; ultimately it's backwards looking which is not a good way ahead. Can't agree that SW is also dead - judge that after the next batch of movies - and likewise being old is not an inherent issue.
Look at Doctor Who - regularly getting >10% of ALL primetime UK viewers in its last series - yet older than Trek. Trek needs an equivalent relaunch, by someone who is both a good writer and a fan who understands what does and doesn't work in the format. Critically, though, modern DW has hit the right mark of acknowledging the old series while looking forwards.
As for the sidetracked discussion. It was pretty clear the old guard of writers for Trek were burned out badly, ENT crashing wasn't because of a bad intro song, lack of speach on the intro or any other such non-sense. Voyager was a disaster in writing, it was unoriginal, mostly recycled plots, by the end of season 2 they just gave up on most of the crew and we ended up with ultra shallow, singular facetted characters like Torres, Chakotay, Kim. They dump Kes to bring in new blood to write about and latch onto the Doctor and Seven.
Did ENT stand a chance after this? The writers were completely dead inside and they jump straight into another series, don't want to stop the trek gravy train, do we? We got more filler episodes than ever, pretty sure given another season the holodeck that didn't exist was going to break down. How many mystery alien species just outside our solar system can be there really?
The stuff that was good, was great, the stuff that filled in between advancing the plot was terrible. Star Trek was old idelogy, Berman didn't want to change because Roddenberry's old style was like law to them, it worked in the 80s, so why not after 2000?. Eventually DS9 (run by people NOT doing TNG, VOY, and ENT) were given the go ahead to make a plot, but it was still spaced out with too much filler, Trek was so far behind in style. After the TRIBBLE up with Voyager, they should have dumped alot of the writing staff and got some new ideas going.
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To put it into context, I was chatting with someone at a local Sci-fi
convention this past weekend and the topic of STO came up. Now this person is currently playing World of Tanks and asked me if STO is worth playing. I gave him as honest overall answer as I could give: STO has decent gameplay and solid stories and nods to Prime Universe Trek, but the grind for the really good stuff is not worth it, IMO.
Thank you for the time...
Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
The Old STF's kept me hanging on, but the timers since DR slowly eroded the flame .
Sometimes I find myself doing Tour just to watch an old ship fly again ... , be that a Miranda, an NX, or a T'Kyr .
Yup, that's how low it got for me in attempting to look for something that made me happy .
So anyways, PaLL, and I hope the game will still be here when you get that itch .
Not meaning to be mean, but do you know how much kiester SW has been kicking ever since the CGI animated Clone Wars debuted ?
That animated show came as close to doing Star Trek as anything I have ever seen .
There are whole story arcs that deal in a roundabout way with my favorite TNG EP "The Measure of Man" with exploring what clones are , how do they differ despite being clones and the ethical and moral quandary of using living beings as cannon fodder "because that's what they were made for" .
Sure, it gets off to a slow start but by the end of the first season things get better and better and as a show that can pause and focus on elements, it's a monumental blessing for the SW universe , so much so that because of it, I have zero fear of how JJ might TRIBBLE up the SW universe .
And just to point out that all of the above comes from someone who generally rolled his eyes whenever SW was brought up in a convo, as Trek to me was always a more enjoyable , more mature experience .
And to my delight , someone who made the Clone Wars show felt the same way (in a way) , and they wanted to tell stories about morality and the murky thing we call "truth" , just as much as they wanted lighsabers and pew-pew .
The followup show that's just started (Rebels) is pretty much by the same team (for the first season they had as an extra producer the guy who created "Gargoyles") , and that show just took off running (with a twis, as it now depicts the Storm Troopers from the original triology ... , so that adds an element of silliness) .
... yeah... , so SW ... So Much More alive then Trek is right now ...
It's a really strange thing to witness people who you would normally think would have a sense of reason or logic who actually ironically sometimes play vulcans themselves but who lack the capacity to understand exactly what they are supporting with their time and money.
It reminds me of that guy who was immitating Tuvok in the episode "Live fast and prosper", they have the sound and the look but they lack all of the things that matter.
It's the weirdest thing to see these people come into the MMO genre suddenly (which started in 2011) and see them take over these games and just completely ruin the MMO genre by allowing these developers to just continue on breaking these awesome IPs by supporting draconian changes in the name of greed.
You no-longer like the game but cannot bring yourself to leave it. That speaks more of you then it does the game. When it finally occurs to you to use some of that Vulcan logic you mentioned above it might actually sink in that your 5 years are up. You had a good run but now it is time for you to find other things to enjoy. Just as you can grow tired of novels, movie franchises, TV shows, music, etc, you can also grow tired of a specific video game.
It is sad when your favorite TV show turns crappy to you but you can spend all your time crying to heaven about it or you can just turn the channel and find a new one to entertain you - same with video games. STO is an old game, and it is FTP. It is not going to change. This is how they have decided to make money from this game. If it is not for you then just find something that is. Trying to hold onto the past is only TRIBBLE with your entertainment future.
You are aware of the concept of "seasons" of gear in WoW, for instance, right? And the fact that if you were wearing the wrong tier, or the wrong season, of gear, there were parts of the game's storyline you could never play through, because they required a group and no group would take someone dressed so tackily? So you had to go through the same dungeons over and over, hoping against hope that a) the gear you needed in order to continue playing the game would drop (not exactly a guarantee), and b) nobody else in the group would claim it before you. And no, you couldn't just go buy it - it wasn't available for sale, even after they started doing microtransactions to back up their subscription income.
Imagine if, in order to finish fighting the Vaadwaur, you needed a T6 ship - and not just any T6 ship, but one that had been issued no more than six months prior. Your own skill, your weapons layout, your build - none of that would matter; having the wrong ship would mean you simply would not be given the opportunity to try. And none of this "T5U" or "T5 and massive DPS" stuff, either - the latest T6 or get out.
And that's in a subscription game, and a trend dating back at least to 2005 (the year I took it up). Makes the "grinding" in here look downright pitiful, to be honest - I'd been cruising through the Delta content just fine in my T5 Odyssey prototype from I think two anniversaries ago, with no one to tell me I wasn't allowed to play in the quadrant because my "gearscore" wasn't good enough. (I'll be continuing it in my Kobali cruiser, in all likelihood, at least to see if it's any better at combat, but I don't have to change out my ships. TRIBBLE, I could try it in a T1, if I wanted to watch a Miranda blow up that often...)
So funny to see those who complain about those who complain
Makes the forums so much entertaining and vibrant than real play
The pre nerf jedi grind from SWG
6 months it took me.......yes sir that was a grind of grinds..........It did keep the tailor well stocked and the noobs that followed me around in credits picking the corpses clean
The /chef and armorer/bio engineer got big supply boosts as well from it.The player driven economy was one of the best parts of that game I miss the most
besides the awesome pvp it had
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse