Command Cruisers - T6 or T6 Fleet

onerats

Thought I'd ask everyone's thoughts on this. With new command cruisers coming soon (images of them have been circulating in game for awhile now) what are the odds that this new pack will be T6 fleet level, possessing both 13 boff powers and 11 consoles?

I remember the day when pack ships were fleet level by default. If you purchased a pack you were getting a fleet level ship, that was one of the selling points of those ships. These days though Cryptic seems to have left that philosophy behind - the delta pack ships were all "regular" T6, which was somewhat understandable as T6 had just been released. However, the new intrepid pack also contains "regular" T6 ships.. to me a rather questionable move considering how many lockbox, lobi, and event ships are now out at the Fleet T6 level. If this new set of 9 command ships releases as "regular" T6 ships I can say I'll be more than a little disappointed. For that kind of money I really do expect to not be charged for something twice - once for something that was outdated before it was even conceived of, let alone designed or released, and again for an "updated" version that's really just the same thing with the stats it should have had to begin with.

virusdancer

I'll just quote what I've said elsewhere...

virusdancer wrote: »

Well, since it's a violation of the forum TOS to discuss anything Cryptic themselves have not leaked to us; I probably wouldn't be discussing anything here that a certain site might have discovered as if I were spending any time there.

I would have approached it from the position of what Cryptic themselves have leaked to us and taken it from there, yeah?

Do you have the Kobali Samsar Cruiser? Did you look at the Regenerative Integrity Field console that it comes with? Did you notice it lists a 4pc set bonus? Here, let me link an image...this is from Holodeck: http://i.imgur.com/QJDNX6q.png

So yeah, that 4pc bonus tells me the ships are going to be Command Battlecruisers. That there are three of them and each appears to have the following: Fleet Support - Tachyon Pulse - Defense :as their respective platforms, tells me that I'm probably looking at an Eng, Sci, and Tac based ship.

Then I'm going to start wondering what that Inspiration bit means...Inspirational Leader comes to mind...but then because I've been around these parts for a wee bit of time, something else jumps out at me as a thought.

I remember the introduction of the Bortasqu' and Odyssey...10 console ships in a mainly 9 console world. So I'm looking at a 4pc console set here, and I'm thinking these might just be T6 11 console boats; meaning they're Fleet-level Zen boats. Basically, these are probably going to cost at least 3500 Zen each instead of 3000 Zen. Which leaves me wondering what the pricing on a 3pack of 3500 Zen boats will be when a 3pack of 2500 Zen boats was 5000 Zen.

Then as I'm thinking about that, I think about what else came around the time of the Bort/Ody...and that was Fleet Ships themselves with Season 6. So they've said Season 10 is going to be late Spring, and there I am thinking that S10's going to be adding the Fleet T6 ships.

All because they listed a 4pc set bonus with some info on the Kobali console.

In thinking about what the ships might look like, I'm going to think about the feedback given about the Intel ships, Cryptic saying those only looked that way because they were Intel, and that other ships would look more like standard ships...so I'm going to figure them for looking like "expected" KDF, Fed, and Rom ships.

Course, since folks mentioned some other additional KDF ship there...er...I'm going to wander over to a certain site to take a look. Cause that might interesting.

shpoks

virusdancer wrote: »

I remember the introduction of the Bortasqu' and Odyssey...10 console ships in a mainly 9 console world. So I'm looking at a 4pc console set here, and I'm thinking these might just be T6 11 console boats; meaning they're Fleet-level Zen boats. Basically, these are probably going to cost at least 3500 Zen each instead of 3000 Zen. Which leaves me wondering what the pricing on a 3pack of 3500 Zen boats will be when a 3pack of 2500 Zen boats was 5000 Zen.

lol VD , I think I've just about hit my limit with what I'd find acceptable to waste on a ship at 3k Zen. If these do in fact cost 3.5k Zen as you assume, and now that you reminded me of the possibility I have to say that's very possible to really happen, I won't bat an eye on them.
For me to waste 3.5k Zen on a ship in this game, it has to be a design they downloaded from my brain and installed into STO. So far only 2 ships have fulfilled that criteria - the Bortasqu' and the Mat'Ha.

Otherwise at 3.5k Zen....lol , yeah I'll just continue using my good old reliable ships. After all, there isn't anything prettier than a D'kyr in STO yet. And what's pleasing to the eye is good for the soul.

onerats

Yeah, that's a good point. Releasing ships that can have up to four "special" consoles in their set would seem pretty silly if they're 10 console boats. Although, even then.. special consoles are rarely worth using anyway.

I'm honestly not sure what to expect here, I mean I want to believe that they'll be full fledged fleet level ships on the same level as the non-faction ships I've been flying lately. I also want to believe that at least one of them will be worth using. With their recent releases though.. I have a hard time having faith in that.

As for pricing, I hadn't even stopped to consider that. Good god, if there's another price raise for ships it'll just be crazy. Ships were somewhat outrageously priced even at twenty, but twenty-five and thirty.. By this time next year we'll be paying more for ships than full priced AAA games.

hyperionx09

That's what the Specializations were theoretically meant to offset. By expanding side-ways, they can keep their prices around the 30 USD mark without being forced to consider a massive pricing overhaul, than if they were to just expand up and up (because not even the hardcore would be willing to pay 50 for one ship; esp. if it isn't practically godmode equipped).

And at the same time, continue to release new ships to sell. Of course, time will tell whether or not Cryptic can create and sustain enough Primary Specializations and their accompanying ships without resorting to breaking past 35 USD. Because for sure, they've pretty much hit the upper limit of what most anyone's wiling to pay for one ship (which translates into one armor set in other MMOs).

virusdancer

It's just along the lines of what we've seen, yeah?

The current T6 Zen boats are 3k for standard versions not Fleet versions. So at some point it will be adding in that 500 Zen for the FSM to take them Fleet...3500 Zen total there.

We've also got the T5 boats and what happened there, yeah?

2000 Zen + 700 Zen...2700 Zen.
2500 Zen + 700 Zen...3200 Zen.
2000 Zen + 500 Zen + 700 Zen...3200 Zen.
2500 Zen + 500 Zen + 700 Zen...3700 Zen.

There's also the Lobi ships that have gone from 800 Lobi for FT5 to 900 Lobi for FT6.

Will be a trip if in another 2 years they go T7 while allowing a continued upgrade path, eh?

2000 Zen + 700 Zen + 700 Zen...3400 Zen.
2500 Zen + 700 Zen + 700 Zen...3900 Zen.
2000 Zen + 500 Zen + 700 Zen + 700 Zen...3900 Zen.
2500 Zen + 500 Zen + 700 Zen + 700 Zen...4400 Zen.
3000 Zen + 500 Zen + 700 Zen...4200 Zen.
3500 Zen + 700 Zen...4200 Zen.
4000 Zen + 500 Zen...4500 Zen.
4500 Zen...

Is that something we'll be looking at?

And will we still have content that can just be run in the free T5 9 console boat instead of the boat costing over $40?

jam3s1701

hyperionx09 wrote: »

That's what the Specializations were theoretically meant to offset. By expanding side-ways, they can keep their prices around the 30 USD mark without being forced to consider a massive pricing overhaul, than if they were to just expand up and up (because not even the hardcore would be willing to pay 50 for one ship; esp. if it isn't practically godmode equipped).

And at the same time, continue to release new ships to sell. Of course, time will tell whether or not Cryptic can create and sustain enough Primary Specializations and their accompanying ships without resorting to breaking past 35 USD. Because for sure, they've pretty much hit the upper limit of what most anyone's wiling to pay for one ship (which translates into one armor set in other MMOs).

I expect to see a bundle box with all 9 ships in bit like Delta box but who knows

onerats

hyperionx09 wrote: »

That's what the Specializations were theoretically meant to offset. By expanding side-ways, they can keep their prices around the 30 USD mark without being forced to consider a massive pricing overhaul, than if they were to just expand up and up (because not even the hardcore would be willing to pay 50 for one ship; esp. if it isn't practically godmode equipped).

And at the same time, continue to release new ships to sell. Of course, time will tell whether or not Cryptic can create and sustain enough Primary Specializations and their accompanying ships without resorting to breaking past 35 USD. Because for sure, they've pretty much hit the upper limit of what most anyone's wiling to pay for one ship (which translates into one armor set in other MMOs).

Except that isn't why they're raising prices. It doesn't take any more effort to make a T6 ship than a T5 ship. There's no greater demand, unlimited supply.. the only reason prices are being raised is because they want to charge more for them and players are willing to pay it, though likely an ever smaller number of players I would assume.

But yeah, if these things get any more expensive I don't know that I'll be willing to pay it anymore. Especially if, as I said, they're outdated before they're even released.

virusdancer

onerats wrote: »

the only reason prices are being raised is because they want to charge more for them

Hrmm, I tend to go with the reason they cost more is because they offer more. So I'd expect to pay more to have more. At the same time though, it kind of feels like they've reached the point where they're trying to sell me a Ferrari for my trips to the 7-Eleven for some hot dogs.

But on the other hand, that's a good thing, imho - Cryptic hasn't told me I need the Ferrari to go to the 7- Eleven, heh. It's there if I want it, and it could be pretty cool to have, yadda - yadda- yadda.

The Intel boats just didn't really do anything for me. Well, that's not true. They made me feel dirty. Just so over the top, they left me feeling dirty. The Samsar on the other hand has been a blast, and I'm actually looking forward to what ships are attached to those three pods. They might just be the Ferrari I pick up when I want to go grab a soda and some chips...lol.

rahmkota19

shpoks wrote: »

lol VD...the soul.

Wanted to say I totally agreed, and that that comment was made so much better with Gowron's mad eyes...... XD

virusdancer wrote: »

It's just...over $40?

I'm just not sure what they would use for justification. Tier 6 was accepted as a part of raising the level cap. But considering that
a) the max rank is now the canon max rank, unless we run for President/Chancellor/Proconsul at level 70, and Q at 80, and
b) that with the specialization points, the max level cap is now effectively 120,
I think that level 60 is gonna be the max this game will ever achieve. Combine that with justification for T7, and I'll bet my money that Tier 6 is gonna be with us for a long, long time.

Besides, looking at their layouts, they are so far giving us the "basic" stuff. So far not the bug ships of the T6 age. Not the Avengers. Not the Scimitars. Not the Vesta's. The ships that made an impact on T6, the ones that took powercreep further in a way we all remember them, those kind of ships are yet to appear.


Other than that, yeah, a pretty doom scenario described above. And we all know the justification by that point: "But we give 3 free endgame ships every year! The grind won't require any ship at all! You just need to hold out on endgame content, level your alts, until we give them again!"