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captinwh0
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I usually look down on those that "Rage Quit" a pve mission if it doesn't go their way or the optional isnt completed. i am usually one of those that hang around regardless.
but today, i find myself in the strange position of being a quitter myself.
i didnt "Rage quit" no lecture or hate, i just calmly left.
hear are my reasons, was i justified in your eyes?
i enter undine infiltration (Advanced), the queue timer starts up, counts to 0 not everyone joined..... no biggie.
but this happens 4-5 times in short succession, giving me the feeling that it is deliberate. i know some like to troll the pve queues.
anyway i get in, and its time to set weapons to stun, someone misses out so i put in chat "Set Weapons to stun ppl"
and someone with a name like "Mysteryoxoxmanxoxo" or something like that.
said he refuses to do it.
i mention we will loose marks (Not actually sure if this is true)
he says it is ok because he ha an awesome name.
at this point i was thinking either 10yr old or troll
i thought i would keep in eye out just in case he was just a noob trying to be funny
anyway i followed him
he runs runs to the closest person to question, and immediately quarantines him, failing the optional.
after this i thought "ok we aren't going to do this" rather than be trolled i just simply left
was this justified?
but today, i find myself in the strange position of being a quitter myself.
i didnt "Rage quit" no lecture or hate, i just calmly left.
hear are my reasons, was i justified in your eyes?
i enter undine infiltration (Advanced), the queue timer starts up, counts to 0 not everyone joined..... no biggie.
but this happens 4-5 times in short succession, giving me the feeling that it is deliberate. i know some like to troll the pve queues.
anyway i get in, and its time to set weapons to stun, someone misses out so i put in chat "Set Weapons to stun ppl"
and someone with a name like "Mysteryoxoxmanxoxo" or something like that.
said he refuses to do it.
i mention we will loose marks (Not actually sure if this is true)
he says it is ok because he ha an awesome name.
at this point i was thinking either 10yr old or troll
i thought i would keep in eye out just in case he was just a noob trying to be funny
anyway i followed him
he runs runs to the closest person to question, and immediately quarantines him, failing the optional.
after this i thought "ok we aren't going to do this" rather than be trolled i just simply left
was this justified?
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Used to be one of those diehard never quit on the team people myself. I learned the hard way it doesn't pay. Especially post DR. Where the rewards no longer match the time required. I have a limited amount of free time. Damned if I'm gonna waste it being a troll target.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
I do it all the time, especially now, load into Cure space, 2 mins and CLR shows 3/5 players with below 5K DPS, so I leave!
( I get more DPS in a T1)
Dont stress it dude, it does not matter who thinks its right or wrong, just do what you want, no point playing with idiots.
The Elite fails with only 1 wrong answer ... don't know about Advanced because I've done the Elite version only 2 or 3 times before realizing I would have better luck pugging Hive Ground Elite, so I understand your feelings.
It seems that the genius who conceived this type of optional believes that STO is played only in USA, UK and other english-speaking countries, and Germany and France ( these are the 3 languages supported, right? )
So, you might want to ask your teammates "where are you from?" instead of "who does the room?"
despite what others think, 5k for a noob isnt easy. and they cant get good rep gear without doing advanced, which makes it harder for the team, every team member needs to carry at least 8k
and will all of the advertising it means we are up to our ears in noobs, and there are a lot of people losing out because of the harsh penaltys
No, its dead simple to get over 5k dps on any freebie ship (t4)
Why do Noobs think they can run Advanced in the first place? Why do the keep trying to run Advanced, too many times I have tried to help and explain to a 2k dps in advanced, to find them in the very next advanced que.
There should be a Gate to get through. Like a gatekeeper quest, that measures your performance and lets you in if you can beat it.
This way, noobs will fail the gatekeeper, and have to learn how to get past it by building the ships correctly.
Also, you need no grind to get past 10k, no fleet, just a good build from EC and in-game drops.
Agreed, before DR I used to run an Oberth in ISA for the hell of it and not once did I finish last place on a dps pars. I don't say this to gloat...it's just confirms some people are pretty bad at this game.
They want the better reward and expect good players to carry them through the mission. I've also tried to help people with their builds, but most often they ignore your advice or proceed to tell you why their current load out is so great.
I agree there should be some kind of prerequisite to get into advanced and elite.
With that in mind, i try to stick around till the mission completion, for the sole reason that leaving won't be rewarding in any way : better to get a smaller amount of marks and materials than nothing at all (without mentioning the 1 hour ban).
And about trolls and leechers? I let them troll and leech till their heart is content, before silently blacklisting them to make sure i won't ever again be PuGed with them.
the probly dont even know how to counter effects and how to utilise your subsys power tray.
i have even met a lvl 60 player that didnt know you could train in different abilities.
and a lvl 40 who thought getting out of his constitution class was a downgrade
and not knowing a proper doff abilities layout, its like dumping a raw cadet in the middle of a warzone and expecting him to know what to do.
i understand how it boggles the mind of more experienced players, after all photonic fleet does 2k all by itself.
but given the above, it is entirely possible.
i like the gatekeeper idea btw.
i dont know how they would tie that into a feesable story/mission
Considering the cooldown and how so many people who can't get >8k show up in advanced, it's perfectly reasonable to quit as long as you've tried.
See, this isn't correct. I've been here a while, i know exactly what it is like to be new in this game, because.. I see it all the time.
Want to know the real truth? The game is terrible at explaining anything about combat, and the STO mechanics are pretty complex to make it worse. So the only way to improve is to step out of the game and learn, research and understand, there are ways to do that.
Want to know what really happens to those 2k players? They complain they need better gear. They grind and grind and grind to get better gear, because its the gear that makes them doing horribly and not that they are lazy. You can show them a how to guide to be better, they won't read it, they are too "busy." Each time you check what they are doing in the game its grinding something to achieve their next goal to cure why they are terrible.
Reality is free ships in below average gear can compete in Advance queues. With minimal work you can get lower grade sets and gear, and even a better mirror ship to let you be more than comfortable. The other reality is all the overpriced gear in the game isn't going to make up for your failed build and lack of skill, 2k player might make it to 3k, but nobody cares.
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i love the fact that you need more than 2 brain cells to play it, and you have to build and prepair, and i love using ground tactics, positioning my guys for flanking manuvers, the being able to call them in to hunker down.
most come from button bashing games and fps shooters, and don't always read the material.
epecially ones like undine infiltration
but you are right, payers/game dont make much effort to try and explain how to build a ship. i remember the first 6 months playing, it was a complete mystery to me why i was so weak in comparison to everyone else, i thought my gear was awesome. as does everyone else at that point in the game.
People come to STO thinking its the same, its not at all.
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It is closest to true for omega rep, but even there you get 10 BNP's from the tier 5 completion, enough for an engine/deflector combo, or a full ground set. Counter command and dyson you can earn marks and special items faster without the queues than with them. Romulan and nukara only have marks. Delta is in the middle where the only quick way to earn APCs is. Bug hunt, but then again the gear is suboptimal for many builds.
So the only issue is omega rep, and many builds are moving away from it anyway.
I'd suggest asking people to "please" set weapons to stun. Sometimes ppl react better to requests than orders. With Undine Infiltration I find that an experienced player sometimes need to state over chat in a PUG that it is ok not to answer questions if confused by them, and that someone else (you) will come along to answer them.
If you do not know something, in this case if you will lose marks for the stun setting, I'd suggest not mentioning it or trying to justify your request.
We have free will, you can leave if you want.
This has been answered before, but I'll do it again: Because in order to get the best gear, you need to run Advanced. Someone who doesn't know the game too well can EASILY get to end game running a 2k rainbow build.
Once they get there, they just know they need Advanced to get the mats/items to do Rep stuff. So they join up.
Gateways might help with this as you suggest but as the game stands now, people are almost forced into Advanced.
It's unique to this so as not to massacre Bajoran citizens.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
you forget the isomorphic injections and the nanoprobes and whatnot.
and most noobs dont know what half the stuff is in the rep sets, or what the big deal with them is
BNP = Borg nanoprobes.
Isomorphic injections are for counter command, which as I mentioned can be earned faster from the battle zone than from any queue.
Also, all of them drop rarely from the daily/hourly rates.
There is absolutely no need to run any queue to get reputation gear.
As I mentioned for omega, it is somewhat helpful, since people tend to want two bits of space gear and one full set of ground, which is more than the tier 5 gives you enough BNP's for. But that's still a want, not a need, and it is absolutely unnecessary to be able to have the damage for advanced queues.
I had a run in the DPS channels earlier today where the first question answered failed. They guy who did it kept quiet and left.
The next run 30 minutes later, it happened again.
I took a deep breath. I don't think it was a griefer, but I wrote down who I thought it was to avoid him/her/it in the future. It wasn't the same account (or so I think). Some people may be leet DPSers, but when it comes to answering questions can be complete idiots.
Or they had a bad day.
I have never forgotten how horribly ineffective I was when I reached lvl 50 a few months after STO went F2P. I was so ineffective, that with MK XI purple beam arrays, I could park under the cube in what was cure space elite back then, inbetween the probes, shoot the cube with BFAW and be completely ignored by the cube. I sent heals to my teammates, which was about all I was good for.
In Khitomer space elite, I couldn't handle 2 probes, and they are much tougher these days on advanced compared to elite then.
I had to learn tactics, strategies, how to work as a team, how to better my skills, weapons and bridge officer setups.
I leave if it fails, and try again whenever I'm ready...might be as soon as possible, or might be tomorrow. It depends. Sometimes I am disgusted; either with my poor play, or with Cryprtic's BS system, or with some other [redacted] person's antics.
Whatever the case, I try not to take any of it too seriously, and try harder on my own part next run. I can't control Cryptic or the [redacted] people unless I choose to quit; even then I'm still just controlling me.
So far, I haven't quit...altogether, at least.
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