Knowing that Cryptic has revamped every arc but this one, it follows that the next major update will include an overhaul of the Cardassian arc.
Basically, knowing that there were high points of the Romulan arc that were diamonds in the rough, what would you like to see preserved from the Cardassian arc, or what would you like to see added to the arc to enrich the game? Do we need a Mirror arc, a cardassian arc, and have those lead up to a new Gamma arc? More customization based on faction?
Hmmm. What would I like to see added to the Cardassian story? One word, Garak. I would be great if he were in some way involved in some of the Cardassian missions.
I like the new link. It was fun to see laas become even more hateful, and back the true way then get rejected by the other founders. I have wished they'd do more with that side of the story and I bet they could get his voice actor to reprise the role very affordably.
It would be a total nerdgasm moment if a revamp could get Renee, Armin, Jeffrey combs and yes the actor for garak whose name I forget to come back.
The other small detail, speaking of garak, is that in the ds9 bundle we do get a duty officer who is named elim ziyal. I've always assumed this is the child of garak and ziyal. Be very cool if they did a story like the romulan arc gets where you meet an NPC and get them as a doff after where they go into the back story.
This story arc definitely needs revamping. The storyline feels like it just... wanders, with no real point. This revamp could be the most expansive, too, because Cryptic could have the opportunity to completely rebuild the Cardassians in this game (think LOR, but on steroids). In other words, any story revamp would ultimately have to have ties to the Cardassian playable faction... which means it may come in two parts. (After all, LOR came out two years ago, but they're just now getting to unifying the storyline across the game.)
Of course, if there is no new faction... then they could do this in one update, but it would still be pretty big, if they do it right. Bring in lots of VO from DS9, refresh the DS9 map, and take the Cardassian story somewhere (yes, the Gamma Quadrant!).
Notice, too, this does not necessarily mean that you have to drag the Iconians into this revamp.
As for the Mirror stuff... I personally found it all kinda forced. After all, the Terran Resistance was still... well, a resistance when we last saw them in DS9... sure, their forces could have grown in the 30+ years since then, but to the point of where it is now, in-game? The Mirror stuff is quite popular, though... so, I say bounce it out of the Cardassian arc altogether. Make a separate Mirror Universe arc... shoot, go all out, and make a FE series on it.
Knowing that Cryptic has revamped every arc but this one, it follows that the next major update will include an overhaul of the Cardassian arc.
Basically, knowing that there were high points of the Romulan arc that were diamonds in the rough, what would you like to see preserved from the Cardassian arc, or what would you like to see added to the arc to enrich the game? Do we need a Mirror arc, a cardassian arc, and have those lead up to a new Gamma arc? More customization based on faction?
Let me know what you think!
CaptainGeko (lead dev) did identify DS9 as his favorite Trek in a past podcast.
One assumes the Cardassian arc would get some love in the next year. Honestly, I just added a Cardassian BOff (after playing with the Tailor editor) in the past week.
As for a Gamma Quadrant faction, why not? Star Wars,er... Trek is due for explorations,er... conflicts across all four major quadrants. I know I'd like to see a new Dominion (or Gamma Quadrant allied) faction.
Then again, I think it's time to introduce super-carrier ships with frigate pets... and go explore nearby galaxies via some innovation in transwarp tech (or via another stable wormhole). Time for Star Trek to leap beyond the Milky Way... and reignite exploration.
More Vorta and Dominion stories, please! Weyoun should make it in, I hope you can get Jeff to speak a few lines and also Andy for Garak's role, or even Marc for Dukat (Macet) somehow ... that would also be cute.
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As for the Mirror stuff... I personally found it all kinda forced. After all, the Terran Resistance was still... well, a resistance when we last saw them in DS9... sure, their forces could have grown in the 30+ years since then, but to the point of where it is now, in-game? The Mirror stuff is quite popular, though... so, I say bounce it out of the Cardassian arc altogether. Make a separate Mirror Universe arc... shoot, go all out, and make a FE series on it.
More dealing with core worlds conflict with the dominion and the true way remnant. some more info on characters from ds9 since the show ended, and a T6 defiant would be cool.
More dealing with core worlds conflict with the dominion and the true way remnant. some more info on characters from ds9 since the show ended, and a T6 defiant would be cool.
On the tribbles in extasy podcast borticus said they will not do any existing ships as tier 6. That said the Intel escort is as close to a t6 defiant as you can get.
On the tribbles in extasy podcast borticus said they will not do any existing ships as tier 6. That said the Intel escort is as close to a t6 defiant as you can get.
I could see this happening easily; it's the perfect monetary storm for Cryptic. Though rather than just a revamp, it'd be a revamp + lead-in to a new sector.
As I posted in the Galaxy thread:
At this rate though; it's more likely we'll see a return to DS9 and the starring of the Defiant in a T6 iteration before a new T6 Galaxy. Which would likely also match the Pathfinder in seat adjustments; Ensign Tac -> Lt Uni and Lt Sci -> Lt Sci/Hybrid. Why? Because aside from the Galaxy fanbase, there's an equally notable fanbase that clamors for more DS9 content and Cardassian conflicts. And if Cryptic went that route, they can round out a Cardassian console 3-set (via 2 new Cardassian ships; 1 new T6 Lobi and 1 new T6 Lockbox) AND a Defiant 3-pack at the same time (the Defiant is sitting on 2 of 3 variants for an eventual 3 pack (and would undoubtedly come with new interiors if made), which results in a perfect storm of monetary influx.
On the tribbles in extasy podcast borticus said they will not do any existing ships as tier 6. That said the Intel escort is as close to a t6 defiant as you can get.
The Devs themselves stated that they chose to fully market the T6 Intrepid/Pathfinder as they spent a fair amount of asset time on it for Delta Rising's episodes. Otherwise, they intend to stick to their plans of releasing newer original designs that are hybrids or descendants of older ships (their notable statement "We have no plans to release T6 versions of existing ships at this time").
So if the conditions resulting in the Pathfinder were met for a T6 Defiant via a DS9/Cardassian arc were ideal, we could see a T6 Defiant. It would be far enough down the line that it would have a Hybrid that isn't as DPS-centric as Intel (Command for now, but maybe a future defense/debuff-oriented Specialization). Again, that's easy money off the Defiant fanbase and work spent on it if they use one as the lead ship. And an easy 3-ship bundle to market (with interiors if made).
Key words... at this time can mean when you ask the question that is their official policy. next day wham new policy and a huge announcement.
And they would still be true to their words... cause "at this time" just means at the time they answer the question.
They could come around and say... due to massive feedback and to show we listen to our players... your favorite ships will be released as a new T6. <- this can happen and it'll make em money, sure some folks would complain they did when the T6 intrepid came out but folks still bought it. So the answer Bort gave is true and will always be true cause it was answered with a quantifier of "at this time".
Not just "Go here and kill", but something with a plot and writing. Maybe even continuity between the individual stories. Maybe even continuity with the other Arc's.
I don't want them going anywhere near the Cardassian Arc. They just gutted the Romulan Arc by cutting out over ten good missions and replaced them with nothing. I don't want a repeat here. Oh hell no.
While I'd really like to see revamped Cardassian Arc, I really hope Fek'lhri will be revamped first. After creating new Klingon character about two months ago, I had so much fun playing those "Fek'lhri Return" missions again.
They could really finish that storyline: maybe, with help from New Romulus, find a connection between Elachi Transformation and Fek'lhri and thus uncover that Iconians are actually behind it.
I know I probably sound naive, as Feds seem to always come first, but I can only hope.
About the Cardassian Arc, I wish they could bring Ezri Dax (maybe she could replace Kurland as a commander of DS9). She was one of my favourite characters on that show.
"With nothing"? They took out the parts that weren't filler and consolidated them into four new episodes that are actually congruent with the plotline of Romulan civilization as established since LoR. I don't see the problem. (And I'm looking forward to my next alt, which of course I'm going to have a next alt, not having to go through "Divide et Impera" or "Under the Cover of Night" or the utterly pointless "Saturday's Child".)
On the tribbles in extasy podcast borticus said they will not do any existing ships as tier 6. That said the Intel escort is as close to a t6 defiant as you can get.
Technically, this is correct... as they did not simply push an update to the current Intrpid, but released the Pathfinder, which is a new ship that can just use old skins.
Also, the Phantom is NOT the Defiant. It make sorta look like it, but it's bigger (maybe even twice the size).
Key words... at this time can mean when you ask the question that is their official policy. next day wham new policy and a huge announcement.
And they would still be true to their words... cause "at this time" just means at the time they answer the question.
They could come around and say... due to massive feedback and to show we listen to our players... your favorite ships will be released as a new T6. <- this can happen and it'll make em money, sure some folks would complain they did when the T6 intrepid came out but folks still bought it. So the answer Bort gave is true and will always be true cause it was answered with a quantifier of "at this time".
As rosy as that would be; it's unlikely they would just up and release T6s of existing ships when they've been working hard to flesh out and sell their Specializations, the Specialized ships to go with them, and the hybrid non-Spec ships to go with them.
The Devs also were true to their words when they stated they only released the T6 Pathfinder because they already spent a fair bit of assets on it, and have no intentions of just releasing another refurbished T5 as T6 unless the conditions were met (stated in one of the T6 Request threads back when the Pathfinder was released).
So with both truths, it's not unreasonable to expect that if they did delve further into DS9/Cardassian arcs, they would at least release one T6 Defiant and 2 T6 Cardassian ships, while continuing to stick to their intentions of marketing more originals. They stick to official policy, while at the same time, bend it enough to sell a T6 variant that is outwardly original (Pathfinder skin vs prior existing Intrepid skins).
And again, with a 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, Primary Specialization, would be different enough for a few ships to see a possible T6 variant if the conditions were met. Heck; a theoretical T6 Command Defiant or Galaxy could work since they'd be different enough in utility compared to the Phantom and Guardian (and unlike the latter two, a Command Spec Defiant or Galaxy would be nowhere near as potent; but still be superior to T5).
Of course, that's provided Cryptic doesn't release a Specialized equivalent (the way the Phantom was to the Defiant; thus no reason to market a T6 Defiant "at this time") or a similar hybrid non-Spec equivalent (the way the Guardian is to the Ambassador/Galaxy; thus no reason to market a T6 version of either "at this time").
So far, they've only revamped missions near major expansions. And since the next major expansion is likely to include a playable Cardassian faction, it is likely that they'll revamp these missions then.
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I'd be all for a cardassian Arc revamp ( and playable faction , though thats a bigger request to ask for)
If they are interested, Voiceover work from the DS9 cast could work well, some of whom are no strangers to voiceover work for Games either, Rene being the rather elusive Mr House and all
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It would be a total nerdgasm moment if a revamp could get Renee, Armin, Jeffrey combs and yes the actor for garak whose name I forget to come back.
The other small detail, speaking of garak, is that in the ds9 bundle we do get a duty officer who is named elim ziyal. I've always assumed this is the child of garak and ziyal. Be very cool if they did a story like the romulan arc gets where you meet an NPC and get them as a doff after where they go into the back story.
Of course, if there is no new faction... then they could do this in one update, but it would still be pretty big, if they do it right. Bring in lots of VO from DS9, refresh the DS9 map, and take the Cardassian story somewhere (yes, the Gamma Quadrant!).
Notice, too, this does not necessarily mean that you have to drag the Iconians into this revamp.
As for the Mirror stuff... I personally found it all kinda forced. After all, the Terran Resistance was still... well, a resistance when we last saw them in DS9... sure, their forces could have grown in the 30+ years since then, but to the point of where it is now, in-game? The Mirror stuff is quite popular, though... so, I say bounce it out of the Cardassian arc altogether. Make a separate Mirror Universe arc... shoot, go all out, and make a FE series on it.
One assumes the Cardassian arc would get some love in the next year. Honestly, I just added a Cardassian BOff (after playing with the Tailor editor) in the past week.
As for a Gamma Quadrant faction, why not? Star Wars,er... Trek is due for explorations,er... conflicts across all four major quadrants. I know I'd like to see a new Dominion (or Gamma Quadrant allied) faction.
Then again, I think it's time to introduce super-carrier ships with frigate pets... and go explore nearby galaxies via some innovation in transwarp tech (or via another stable wormhole). Time for Star Trek to leap beyond the Milky Way... and reignite exploration.
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This would be quite cool.
On the tribbles in extasy podcast borticus said they will not do any existing ships as tier 6. That said the Intel escort is as close to a t6 defiant as you can get.
Didn't they do a T6 Intrepid?
As I posted in the Galaxy thread:
At this rate though; it's more likely we'll see a return to DS9 and the starring of the Defiant in a T6 iteration before a new T6 Galaxy. Which would likely also match the Pathfinder in seat adjustments; Ensign Tac -> Lt Uni and Lt Sci -> Lt Sci/Hybrid. Why? Because aside from the Galaxy fanbase, there's an equally notable fanbase that clamors for more DS9 content and Cardassian conflicts. And if Cryptic went that route, they can round out a Cardassian console 3-set (via 2 new Cardassian ships; 1 new T6 Lobi and 1 new T6 Lockbox) AND a Defiant 3-pack at the same time (the Defiant is sitting on 2 of 3 variants for an eventual 3 pack (and would undoubtedly come with new interiors if made), which results in a perfect storm of monetary influx.
The Devs themselves stated that they chose to fully market the T6 Intrepid/Pathfinder as they spent a fair amount of asset time on it for Delta Rising's episodes. Otherwise, they intend to stick to their plans of releasing newer original designs that are hybrids or descendants of older ships (their notable statement "We have no plans to release T6 versions of existing ships at this time").
So if the conditions resulting in the Pathfinder were met for a T6 Defiant via a DS9/Cardassian arc were ideal, we could see a T6 Defiant. It would be far enough down the line that it would have a Hybrid that isn't as DPS-centric as Intel (Command for now, but maybe a future defense/debuff-oriented Specialization). Again, that's easy money off the Defiant fanbase and work spent on it if they use one as the lead ship. And an easy 3-ship bundle to market (with interiors if made).
Key words... at this time can mean when you ask the question that is their official policy. next day wham new policy and a huge announcement.
And they would still be true to their words... cause "at this time" just means at the time they answer the question.
They could come around and say... due to massive feedback and to show we listen to our players... your favorite ships will be released as a new T6. <- this can happen and it'll make em money, sure some folks would complain they did when the T6 intrepid came out but folks still bought it. So the answer Bort gave is true and will always be true cause it was answered with a quantifier of "at this time".
Not just "Go here and kill", but something with a plot and writing. Maybe even continuity between the individual stories. Maybe even continuity with the other Arc's.
But mostly stories. Please?
I don't want them going anywhere near the Cardassian Arc. They just gutted the Romulan Arc by cutting out over ten good missions and replaced them with nothing. I don't want a repeat here. Oh hell no.
They could really finish that storyline: maybe, with help from New Romulus, find a connection between Elachi Transformation and Fek'lhri and thus uncover that Iconians are actually behind it.
I know I probably sound naive, as Feds seem to always come first, but I can only hope.
About the Cardassian Arc, I wish they could bring Ezri Dax (maybe she could replace Kurland as a commander of DS9). She was one of my favourite characters on that show.
Technically, this is correct... as they did not simply push an update to the current Intrpid, but released the Pathfinder, which is a new ship that can just use old skins.
Also, the Phantom is NOT the Defiant. It make sorta look like it, but it's bigger (maybe even twice the size).
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The Devs also were true to their words when they stated they only released the T6 Pathfinder because they already spent a fair bit of assets on it, and have no intentions of just releasing another refurbished T5 as T6 unless the conditions were met (stated in one of the T6 Request threads back when the Pathfinder was released).
So with both truths, it's not unreasonable to expect that if they did delve further into DS9/Cardassian arcs, they would at least release one T6 Defiant and 2 T6 Cardassian ships, while continuing to stick to their intentions of marketing more originals. They stick to official policy, while at the same time, bend it enough to sell a T6 variant that is outwardly original (Pathfinder skin vs prior existing Intrepid skins).
And again, with a 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc, Primary Specialization, would be different enough for a few ships to see a possible T6 variant if the conditions were met. Heck; a theoretical T6 Command Defiant or Galaxy could work since they'd be different enough in utility compared to the Phantom and Guardian (and unlike the latter two, a Command Spec Defiant or Galaxy would be nowhere near as potent; but still be superior to T5).
Of course, that's provided Cryptic doesn't release a Specialized equivalent (the way the Phantom was to the Defiant; thus no reason to market a T6 Defiant "at this time") or a similar hybrid non-Spec equivalent (the way the Guardian is to the Ambassador/Galaxy; thus no reason to market a T6 version of either "at this time").
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If they are interested, Voiceover work from the DS9 cast could work well, some of whom are no strangers to voiceover work for Games either, Rene being the rather elusive Mr House and all