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Ok, so I started saving ESD off for the Foundry tonight, and I kind of got stuck.
Now, if I remember right, things like opening doors, don't work in premade foundry maps, is that right? I seem to remember people running into the door in UPS when it went in. I think that's also how we ended up with the Thundercougarfalconbird.
I'm curious though, if simple animations DO work? i.e. I know that the Thundercougarfalconbird showed all of the models at once, instead of giving you the option to select them. But did it still spin around in circles? or was it stuck in one position?
Now, the door stuff is something we call "Gate Tech" and it's used for all sorts of things. In ESD, all of the holographic consoles in Ops use the same tech. So the question is, do I just leave them in, and they won't work. Or, do I remove them all, and let you place the prop version that should already be in the foundry, which I think DOES work, when placed.
This is a similar question for the sittable chairs. I'm guessing the sit tech doesn't work on a saved off map (can anyone confirm that?), so is having sittable chairs important to foundry authors? Would it be better to pull all of the chairs, and let you place the prop versions that work? I feel like that's a lot of work to rebuild ESD each time if you DON'T happen to care about chairs for that particular mission.
Opinions?
Now, if I remember right, things like opening doors, don't work in premade foundry maps, is that right? I seem to remember people running into the door in UPS when it went in. I think that's also how we ended up with the Thundercougarfalconbird.
I'm curious though, if simple animations DO work? i.e. I know that the Thundercougarfalconbird showed all of the models at once, instead of giving you the option to select them. But did it still spin around in circles? or was it stuck in one position?
Now, the door stuff is something we call "Gate Tech" and it's used for all sorts of things. In ESD, all of the holographic consoles in Ops use the same tech. So the question is, do I just leave them in, and they won't work. Or, do I remove them all, and let you place the prop version that should already be in the foundry, which I think DOES work, when placed.
This is a similar question for the sittable chairs. I'm guessing the sit tech doesn't work on a saved off map (can anyone confirm that?), so is having sittable chairs important to foundry authors? Would it be better to pull all of the chairs, and let you place the prop versions that work? I feel like that's a lot of work to rebuild ESD each time if you DON'T happen to care about chairs for that particular mission.
Opinions?
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As for whether the holographic consoles and benches should be included or not, I'm not sure. I personally would lean that not including them offers more flexibility, but I can see arguments for both ways.
I think they rotate, but it's hard to remember.
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Given Quinn is your main head honcho for mission giving, it is odd he nor ambassador merriment can be mission giving but his secretary can. We can recreate Quinn but our crayons can't be mission givers.
EDIT: creations, not crayons. Perils of writing on your phone with the auto correct on. It's a ducking nightmare.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say a decision was made early on to keep Foundry interacts out of high-traffic points of contact. None of the mission givers are available as contacts. Now whether that decision was correct is another matter.
I think that having chairs consoles etc is good, since it'd be very difficult to match the locations of the ones in the live ESD. Maybe make two? one with and one without?
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While there is precedent for this, as we have two versions of those generic maps with props and without, the question is, how much more work would that make for Taco?
If I had to pick one, I'd say go without props.
Oh,. that begs the question regarding animations, are we not to have any of the ships moving around the exterior or through the shuttlebay area? I'm presuming not from the above.
They should still work. As far as I can tell, they're just a simple animation.
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My plan is to rip those out, and save them off as their own object, which you can place whereever. They won't have collision, but you can put them in ESD if you want (or not), or wherever else you might like some flying shuttles/workbees. (they all just fly in circles)
That sounds awesome. Lots of people use sky traffic unfortunately those are all breen ships. There's also the Starfleet shuttle sky traffic at the academy. Would this be a good time to give us the runabouts and other craft as placeable objects like the one shuttle we already have?
I'm also wondering about something. If the shuttles, work bees and runabouts used as static props in the map are going to be ripped out as well, would it be possible to use the opportunity to port them into the Foundry as separate props? Currently only the Type 8 shuttle is available for ground maps, but there are others that would be very valuable that were used in ESD.
Also if we can get the skyfile that would be amazing too! (Especially if you can get the new sun into it!)
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I meant a version that can be placed in ground maps. A prop. Like the shuttle that you can place.
If you mean the Rotating Ships in UP, it rotates, and iirc, its just eh Rhode island model.
Do you have a "Foundry" on the internal server where you could test, if the holoconsole would work if left? or would it have to go to tribble for us to test?
Normally I would say, pull them, but since there are so many, I would really like to have them there so they don't take up budget space.
I don't mind pulling the chairs, but if we can swing it, I would like to have the Holo Consoles baked in, if they will still function.
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Oh and I've said this before I would really like a second version with no ships on the Inside, so I may slightly wework your glorious map for a TOS-Era Mission. I mean the Stationary Ships.
If at all Possible, can we get a few of the Giant Ships added as assets.
maybe the main Ones, that I know have already been there once or twice.
Those would be very nice, Particularly if the Intrepid could be made available on Outdoormaps as a landed version prop perhaps? Like that KDF mission with the Landed Bird of Prey?
And thank you for doing this for us, Mr Fangs