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Are non-Klingon ships superior to Klingon ships?

tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
edited January 2015 in Klingon Discussion
Because my KDF cruiser just can't handle the endgame gameplay anymore, I'm wondering if changing ships to something not made by the Klingons will give me better damage resistance/repair rates?

Like an Orion vessel or a Lockbox ship (maybe the Benthan cruiser if the BOFF stations are suitable).

Or is the damage resistance/repair rates innate to the KDF and changing ships won't make a difference to this factor?

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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,503 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    What Klingon cruiser are you talking about and with what build?

    Post your build using this: Skill planner.

    Klingon cruisers are not worse than federation cruisers though they're usually got a more tactical focus. Content has gotten a bit more difficult since DR so it's probably best to get some opinions on your build.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It maybe time to hop out of that K'Tanco.













    ;)
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  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    It maybe time to hop out of that K'Tanco.



    ;)

    ROFLMAO...

    That thing I'd most likely use a shuttle or fighter over using that pos.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I only fly ships Klingon design ships. not lock box not lobi not kdf allied KDF DESIGN ships ONLY if you think KDF SHIP CANT HANDLE ENDGAME pve SOMETHING IS WRONG.


    let us see what your trying to do with what you have.
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  • baelogventurebaelogventure Member Posts: 1,002 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Sounds like another PEBKAC.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As the Borg would say, build is irrevalent.

    I use the exact same build on my Starfleet cruiser as my KDF cruiser, same BOFF skills, same weapons, same set gear and so on.

    If the KDF cruiser fails to perform where the Starfleet cruiser does when all the variables are negated and the only remaining variable left is that it's a Klingon ship, that's what I'm going to believe is at fault here.

    And no, it's not a K'Taco.
    It's a Negh'Var T5 (non-fleet version).

    Also, I don't want build advice ever, so I'm not giving you any information on that topic.
    If you can't answer the question and just want to debate builds, don't respond.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • tehbubbalootehbubbaloo Member Posts: 2,003 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    the kdf suffer from the bugged crew mechanic. basically, the more crew you have the longer it takes to regen hull. most of the pre-mogh ships are also penalised in various ways for some perceived advantage they certainly no longer enjoy.
  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    tilarta wrote: »
    As the Borg would say, build is irrevalent.

    I use the exact same build on my Starfleet cruiser as my KDF cruiser, same BOFF skills, same weapons, same set gear and so on.

    If the KDF cruiser fails to perform where the Starfleet cruiser does when all the variables are negated and the only remaining variable left is that it's a Klingon ship, that's what I'm going to believe is at fault here.

    And no, it's not a K'Taco.
    It's a Negh'Var T5 (non-fleet version).

    Also, I don't want build advice ever, so I'm not giving you any information on that topic.
    If you can't answer the question and just want to debate builds, don't respond.

    if you dont want advice please dont make silly claims that kdf ships are bad. you say you run it same as your feddy ship well thats probably the problem,its not the ship its you. just the captain and officer traits alone can change the ships performance and kdf space traits being severely lacking is not a variable you can negate.

    but as i see more of your postings in other threads its clear your just trolling the kdf and trying to kick us while we are down LOL
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  • crusty8maccrusty8mac Member Posts: 1,381 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    OP has a lot to learn on the subject of how to go about getting help. I'm thinking remedial kindergarten for a year or two.
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    icsairguns wrote: »
    Just the captain and officer traits alone can change the ships performance and kdf space traits being severely lacking is not a variable you can negate.

    Actually, that variable I have negated as well.
    As near as possible, I have assigned the same traits to both Captains (my KDF is a custom alien) and they're all specced with ground traits, I don't have any interest in space traits.

    And no, for the record, I am not trolling, this is a genuine problem I need to solve.

    If it can be solved that is, I'm still not certain if the variable crippling my ship can be avoided or not.
    I'm just trying to identify the problem and if there is any way to fix it.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,503 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    tilarta wrote: »
    Actually, that variable I have negated as well.
    As near as possible, I have assigned the same traits to both Captains (my KDF is a custom alien) and they're all specced with ground traits, I don't have any interest in space traits.

    And no, for the record, I am not trolling, this is a genuine problem I need to solve.

    If it can be solved that is, I'm still not certain if the variable crippling my ship can be avoided or not.
    I'm just trying to identify the problem and if there is any way to fix it.

    Is that taking traits like "leadership" and "inspirational leader" into account?

    One thing nobody mentioned yet is that the Klingon cruisers have cloak without having to sacrifice a console slot.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    patrickngo wrote: »

    so the OP is right-the bulk of KDF vessels out there are fundamentally inferior to their Fed and Romulan counterparts, even when identical console slots, turn rates, hulls and shields are taken into account.

    on that yes he is correct but it dont make them worse than fed ships just a little different and is why so many asked his/her build. to sort it out a little . but OP is unwilling to take pointers and refuses to say how ship is outfitted except to say like his fed ship. and you know that you cant run a kdf ship the same way as a fed ship. hell back when i still had a fed toon i tired to play it the way my klingons ships are run and it couldnt handle it. it didnt make it a worse ship just different.


    i hate the crew bug/ working as intended KDF handicap as much as any kdf pilot and while i do believe the factions should NOT ALL HAVE COPY PASTE SHIPS OF THE OTHERS. that difference in crew size does make us different all be it in a bad way. we KDF already have given up so much in our ships to keep the feddy bears from flooding earth with tears. and now feds and rommies get what we had without the handicaps and our new ships BOTH of them are still sticking us with handicaps as always. but i always just played with some head cannon, kdf crews were larger to account for combat soldiers. and the rates were hampered because all these dumb ground combat warriors were in the ways of the ships warriors/crew.


    1 to 1 same set up as a fed ship the fed ship is going to outperform. but reverse that and try to run a fed ship the way you do a KDF ship and the kdf ship will excel. and thats the entire point of what most here have been trying to tell the OP you cant run it the same as the fed. even if he uses the kitty cat captains that have to keep a littler box in the corner, his bridge officers are not going to have same traits . unless he is crippling his kdf ship and not using pirates. but again it comes down to knowing what they are trying to do with what they have. and OP is unwilling to tell.
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    questerius wrote: »
    Is that taking traits like "leadership" and "inspirational leader" into account?

    One thing nobody mentioned yet is that the Klingon cruisers have cloak without having to sacrifice a console slot.

    lol cloak in pve maybe use it for that 1st strike spike but other than that its pretty useless. and in PvP (which this thread is NOT about) kdf cloak is so far behind rommies its still a joke.
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I think I see the problem now.

    I had assumed that a larger crew translated to a better repair rate as there were more personnel who could be assigned to fix the damaged ship systems during combat.
    But apparently they are too busy hitting damaged EPS conduit relays with their bat'leths for "offending their honor by breaking" instead of sealing them.

    So to fix this problem, I have to find a cruiser accessible to the KDF with a comparable crew level to my Sovereign and the correct station configuration.

    If you are curious, it's Comm Engineering, LtComm Engineering, Lt Science, Ensign Tactical.
    questerius wrote: »
    Is that taking traits like "leadership" and "inspirational leader" into account?

    One thing nobody mentioned yet is that the Klingon cruisers have cloak without having to sacrifice a console slot.

    Leadership yes. Since I've never heard of inspirational leader, I haven't used that trait.

    And I don't use the cloak power unless it's a battle cloak, I've found it's terribly inefficient and useless if you have to get out of combat to use it. My Romulan will use it to get out of aggro if the enemy is getting the upper hand and come back later fully repaired to keep hitting the enemy. My KDF can't do that.


    Just to settle the forumites who keep insisting they must know my build, I'll explain the reason and then I expect them to remain silent.

    On the Champions Online forum, whenever I posted my build, it was just an excuse to start flamewars. They were more interested in tearing me down for not copying their cookiecutter builds instead of helping me improve my original build.
    And that is why I do not post builds anymore!
    That's my final word on the topic, I will not discuss it any further.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    tilarta wrote: »
    Just to settle the forumites who keep insisting they must know my build, I'll explain the reason and then I expect them to remain silent.

    On the Champions Online forum, whenever I posted my build, it was just an excuse to start flamewars. They were more interested in tearing me down for not copying their cookiecutter builds instead of helping me improve my original build.
    And that is why I do not post builds anymore!
    That's my final word on the topic, I will not discuss it any further.

    well on that you got a point. plenty here that like to do that but thats usually in the federation side of the forums. bot so much with KDF we are so few we tend to be a bit more polite and helpful to fellow warriors.


    hell look at my builds they are most defo NOT cookie cutter. i refuse to use ships not of Klingon design. i still stick with DHC even though they are now out classed by beams somehow. and i dont use the the a2b or a2d builds i prefer a2s and for the very reason your having problems our ships need a bit more heals to stay in the fight.

    really though if you dont want to go public id be happy to share my 2 cents in a private 1 on 1 and plenty here dont agree with my builds . i just dont care . no ill never get the top of some dps list but i have completed all ques in max setting multiple times with no worries and when those dps people do post the stats before they warp out i have never been below 3rd place even with my cannons.


    now PvP is a whole other beast that until recently i only dabbled in but it sure is fun. most of my pvp experience is with people challenging me to duals for some silly reason. and in those cases if it was a scim that they were flying they went pop every time . i hate romulans LOL
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