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wardcalis
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I did 20624 dps at 18mil total damage
none of the others broke 7500 dps and 1guy was less than 3k at 2mil damage
something must be done to keep the scrubs out
This is khitomer advanced, and we failed, who would of thunk. I solo'd 1 side probes included and just as I drop the gate we loose because the side with 4 players lets 1 probe through. even so they still had both transformers up still. this is only one example but needless to say it is very common. World of war craft now has what they call proving grounds, STO should adopt something like that, bronze for normals, silver for advanced and gold for elites. this type of thing occurs like 2/3 of the time and it sucks. the time limit would be just as difficult and be more forgiving when people have numbers like this. anything less than 8k doesn't belong in advanced, I don't care if it is the only way to get advanced rep items. 8k should be bare brass minimum.
a 10k dps build can be made from the exchange for less than 10mil EC on nearly any ship and on ships that can't reach it support abilities can make up for the lack, but even those will break 8k
none of the others broke 7500 dps and 1guy was less than 3k at 2mil damage
something must be done to keep the scrubs out
This is khitomer advanced, and we failed, who would of thunk. I solo'd 1 side probes included and just as I drop the gate we loose because the side with 4 players lets 1 probe through. even so they still had both transformers up still. this is only one example but needless to say it is very common. World of war craft now has what they call proving grounds, STO should adopt something like that, bronze for normals, silver for advanced and gold for elites. this type of thing occurs like 2/3 of the time and it sucks. the time limit would be just as difficult and be more forgiving when people have numbers like this. anything less than 8k doesn't belong in advanced, I don't care if it is the only way to get advanced rep items. 8k should be bare brass minimum.
a 10k dps build can be made from the exchange for less than 10mil EC on nearly any ship and on ships that can't reach it support abilities can make up for the lack, but even those will break 8k
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I actually like Delta Rising.
(That's what it's about, right? Otherwise I don't get it
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Working as intended from devs who have no clue about this game.
Nope, you got it wrong friend.
What is this silly nonsense about 'working together' eh? Proper teamwork in this game is doing at least 15k DPS and knowing precisely how each map works. If you heal, debuff or do anything outside killing targets in seconds well, you're doing it very wrong indeed! And you should feel ashamed of yourself.
And if you are new? Undergeared? Not good enough! Study the wikis, pour over build advice for hours on end and sink all your money into getting those MK XIV gold AP [CrtD]x4 beam arrays!
Sounds real fun right?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I would rather say that such variation simply shows that there are dump people who can't read and add one info to second and get some conclusion from it.
Yesterday new guy in my fleet start crying that he is fighting with Undine Drednought in one of episodes for more then 30 minutes and take down only 30% HP. So I checked his build by Gateway, guess what I found:
- 8 rainbow turrets + projectile weapon consoles
So yeah that definitely Cryptic fault that he is simply <censored>
This post makes the most sense. And yes its the godawful truth about sto.
Example: ISA has a pool of 30 million NPC HP (a bad example actually since there is quite substantial NPC heal in this mission, but anyway)
If you reach >8 million dmg + healing dealt you get full reward + bonus rewards (very rare mk xii item)
If you deal >6 million dmg + healing you get the basic reward
If you fail to even reach >2 million, sorry no reward, you would have failed the mission anyway...work on your build, rethink your life
as i see it, it would also take care of AFKers. Motivate people to get better and ultimately to open their wallets for gear. Even a win for cryptic. I'm aware that this system does not favour CC builds, but CC doesn't necessarely mean little DPS or heals. Right setup can incorporate both. And a tykons rift or viral matrix on a generater has absolutely no practical use anyway. facepalm everytime is see that happen, and it happens way too often.
@OP: don't mind the naysayers. They simply feel threatened by the idea that STO would actually be competitive. PVE is their refuge from their underpreformance in PVP. Having to keep up in PVE too would really take the fun out of STO for them.
Well, you should care.. we all should.
I know it's like beating my head against a wall, but I honestly think that if they allowed players to accrue 1 BNP per day from Normal Ques, it would fix a lot of this.
These guys want The Borg stuff, they feel they need to to improve their builds.
There is one place to get Neural Processors and that's Advanced Borg Ques, so these players join these ques.
I'm just as frustrated as you are, trust me.. but it's not their fault that they have to do Advanced Ques to get the item they need to acquire the gear necessary to handle advanced ques. Yes, they can get 10 BNP by completing theT5 Rep, but that takes weeks and a lot of players don't know you can get those.
Cryptic is worried that if they drop BNP from Normal Ques then elite DPS teams will run them over and over, complete them in 20 seconds, build up a zillion Processors and cash them all in for Dillithium. The simple solution is allow players to get 1 BNP per day from Normal. Under geared players can have enough processors for the entire set (9) in just over a week and it won't be exploitable.
If they did this, then I would agree with you and say that there should be a minimum allowed before you can join Advanced. As it is right now, Cryptic is forcing these players into content they can't handle at the expense of the rest of us.
This can't be fun for those guys, you think a guy that pulls 1.7k DPS has fun in Advanced? I doubt it highly. They need to make Normal Ques rewarding enough that they'll be used for what they're intended. The current system does not promote that.
Most of them don't now how that their ships 'sucks'. Done some Infected Space NORMAL, me and other guy done over 15k each so pretty much we soloed map. At the end one guy who done ~1,2k something like "If not my uber pro DPS you would fail that mission noobs" and he was serious thinking that he complete that map solo.
Yes, because clearly you need that kind of gear to get *8000* DPS.
I agree with the OP about the problem (not necessarily the solution). I can get 12000 dps on my alts with mk xii gear I buy on the exchange.
Teamwork and knowing the game are important. On the other hand, you can know the game all you want, if you show up in a miranda class with one mk xii turret equipped, you're not going to be able to do your part of the teamwork.
Anyone should be able to kill 2 probes in 60 seconds before going to advanced, and at least be able to in a team of 4. You don't have to be DPS-obsessed to be able to do that.
thou shall not pug
you decision if you go i alone
according to you dps you are member of the DPS channels so jsut get pre mate there and stop complaining
I agree totally. They already have the tech in that they award a "Mark Package" once per day.
I would be simple to add one bnp, one Isomorphic Injection, one Ancient Power Cells etc, to the daily Mark boxes.
They could also remove the reward versions if they are worried about giving too many away...
As I said above, I can get 12K dps with mk xii gear from the exchange, and that was in a new ship that I hadn't set up the power tray on and where I couldn't get it to point the right way half the time. I'm not saying this to show how awesome I am but to show that getting 8000 dps without rep gear is definitely doable.
I remember someone complaining about needing to do bda to get power cells to be competitive in bda, and I even offered to set up a bda queue where he could be a rescuer (min. dps required to rescue in bda: 0!) and he refused. My guess is he was just a complainer.
But just thinking for a few seconds on the matter, the solution to getting these tokens may not be so clear to everyone so I'll list it here:
Undine isomorphic injections: go to the Undine space battlezone. You can get 3 every half-hour and there are enough overpowered players there farming dil that you can pew pew impotently for a while and still get them
Voth cybernetic implants: Voth ground battlezone, for the same reason as above
Borg neural processors: ISA, CSA, or KSA give them out and you only need to know how to pick decent gear from the exchange to help your team there. Same for IGA, CGA, and KGA. Just read the walk-throughs before queuing up for these events (someone with 8K dps who knows what to shoot is better than someone with 16k dps who just shoots random things).
Delta ancient power cells: Save in BDA, or do BHA/E because it's pretty easy at the moment.
But, seriously, no one needs rep/fleet gear to be competitive in advanced. They need to know how to play the game.
This is not a solution. Every thread, someone tires to pass this off as an answer. Some of us just like being able to quick join a mission and have fun. If you don't wish to pay public groups, great.. but some of us do.
You're absolutely right. I could also pull 8-10k in a starter ship, but players like us aren't the problem. You and I would play advanced as a 'fresh 50' because we know what we're doing. The guy in that parse that pulled 2.9k has absolutely no idea. Honestly, I don't even know how someone could possibly do that little. I am by no means great, I'm not an expert or an elite DPS guy, but I'm pretty sure I can beat 2.9k with only 4 beams.
The intent of making lesser ques more rewarding is to keep mister 2.9k in the Normal Ques. If he can get his Neural Processor from doing a run of Normal, he should have no reason to be in advanced.
I mean seriously.. 2.9k? lol
Screenshot the report
Copy screenshot into MS paintbrush
Put some sort of blob over each name
Upload it
Job done.
Or just delete your link. We can see your point without the report. I'm not sure why you even included the report in the first place.
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Why are you soloing one entire side doing only 18k DPS? That strategy is unlikely to ever work.
Because someone have to keep right probes?
I can see if he was just doing probes, but...18k DPS soloing an entire side in a PUG is just bad strategy, IMO.
Also, Khitomer is a bad map to parse, as you won't likely pick up all of the damage everyone is doing in a parse.
Also, naming and shaming.
~ DPS min maxers dictating content
~ PVPers dictating balance in PVE
~ The Chinese billing model.
Until they remove all three of these these problems will continue to plague this game.
I have 2 questions for you.
1. What is the quality of that MK XII gear(green, blue, purple)?
2. How much did it cost on the exchange?
Not everyone has a "main character" to subsidise them and can afford to buy MK XII items off the exchange.
I have seen MK XII items cost several million EC, depending on the quality, and someone who just got
60 on their first character is unlikely to have enough to buy a full set of MK XII gear.
And it would take them longer to grind those millions than it would take to get the BNP's or whatever in advanced runs, and few people are inclined to do that in the first place.
You can get MK XII VR:
Antiprotons from FEs.
Different rep flavored gear from reputation box drops.
You say Scrub, I say "Stop Having Fun" Guy. The minute you started complaining about other players trying to play the game, you lost all credibility.
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