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Secondary Deflectors
Secondary Deflectors
- There are three base types of Secondary Deflectors:
- Deteriorating Secondary Deflectors enhance Debuff-focused science skills.
- Inhibiting Secondary Deflectors enhance Control-focused science skills.
- Resonating Secondary Deflectors enhance Support-focused science skills.
- Secondary Deflectors can be crafted in the Science section of Research and Development.
- EC Stores will sell basic Secondary Deflectors.
- Secondary Deflectors also have a chance to drop in loot when defeating enemies in space.
- Secondary Deflectors can be upgraded.
- The following Science ships now come with a Secondary Deflector slot:
- Advanced Research Vessel
- Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
- Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Deep Space Science Vessel
- Draguas Support Vessel
- Dyson Battle Science Destroyer
- Dyson Battle Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Command Science Destroyer
- Dyson Command Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Reconnaissance Science Destroyer
- Dyson Reconnaissance Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Science Destroyer
- Dyson Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Strategic Science Destroyer
- Dyson Strategic Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer
- Dyson Surveillance Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Dyson Tactical Science Destroyer
- Dyson Tactical Science Destroyer [T5-U]
- Experimental Science Vessel [T6]
- Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit
- Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel
- Fleet Deep Space Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Fleet Experimental Science Vessel
- Fleet Ha'nom Guardian Warbird
- Fleet Ha'nom Guardian Warbird [T5-U]
- Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit
- Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel
- Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit
- Fleet Research Science Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit
- Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Ha'nom Guardian Warbird
- Korath Temporal Science Vessel
- Korath Temporal Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Light Science Vessel
- Long Range Science Vessel
- Long Range Science Vessel [T6]
- Long Range Science Vessel Refit
- Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit
- Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit [T5-U]
- Mirror Deep Space Science Vessel
- Mirror Ha'nom Guardian Warbird
- Mirror Reconnaissance Science Vessel
- Mirror Science Vessel Retrofit
- Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer
- Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer [T5-U]
- Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer
- Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer [T5-U]
- Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer
- Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer [T5-U]
- Phalanx Science Vessel
- Reconnaissance Science Vessel
- Research Science Vessel
- Research Science Vessel Retrofit
- R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel
- R'Mor Temporal Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Science Vessel
- Science Vessel Refit
- Science Vessel Retrofit
- Scryer Intel Science Vessel [T6]
- Tholian Orb Weaver
- Tholian Orb Weaver [T5-U]
- Varanus Fleet Support Vessel
- Varanus Fleet Support Vessel [T5-U]
- Varanus Support Vessel
- Voth Palisade Science Vessel
- Voth Palisade Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel
- Vulcan D'Kyr Science Vessel [T5-U]
- Wells Temporal Science Vessel
- Wells Temporal Science Vessel [T5-U]
- There will be a blog in the near future with more information on the addition of Secondary Deflectors to all Science starships.
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Protonic Kool-Aid Down The Drain Cruiser
Immortal BOff Skills combo for Ground
Their unique bonus is the flanking bonus.
Let's get these babies going.
Also, either a buff to the three set bonus of the Tal Shair Adapted Battlecruiser or giving it a Secondary Deflector slot is really needed to keep it competitive, as it's one of the better options for a Romulan wanting a Sci ship, sadly (even though it's labeled a Battlecruiser it has Sensor Analysis, it's three-set bonus is definately Sci leaning and has a Commander Universal).
Also, with the recent pet nerf, Sci-focused Carriers could use some love too.
I had been hoping this would happen for quite some time now.
Thanks so much.
And I'm looking forward to seeing how the different types of craftable 2nd deflectors work in combat.
**As a suggestion, Decompilers skill is very hard to come by on items..
Hint hint**
...but I was wondering about a couple/a few/some things with that.
Are FlwC, PrtG, Sen, and Em the only standard mods on the initial crafted Secondary Deflector?
Is it possible to get [FlwC]x2, [PrtG]x2, or [Em]x2 or is it only possible to get [Sen]x2 initially?
With that UR mod it picks up, is it the full breadth of Eng and Sci mods there or is it limited to a select group of mods there?
Are there other R&D mods beyond the [+Chance], [-Recharge], [SA -Def], [SA +Dmg], and [SA +Heal] that I saw?
I find it difficult to evaluate the value of the damage from Deteriorating and Inhibiting deflectors. But naively speaking, it sounds more desirable then the healing and shield reduction buff from resonating secondary deflectors.
Maybe there could be some kind of "afterglow" effects like with the radiation damage ones - Say, after 4 seconds, you get a weak science cleanse or something like that. Or is that more something for yet another type of secondary deflector?
Damage Scale by Mark Off?
The damage for Deteriorating radiation damage seems to scale worse than the damage for the inhibiting deflectors. Unless the rarity has a surprisingly strong effect here.
Damage at Mark II (Deteriorating ) 118.5 radiation damage at Mark II. (Total 1185)
Damage at Mark IX (Deteriorating): 189.8 Radiation damage each second for 10 seconds (Total 1898)
Damage at Mark II (Inhibiting): 1094.4 Radiation Damage after 4 seconds
Damage at Mark IX (Inhibiting ): 2433.7 Radiation Damage after 4 seconds
AT Mark XII, Deteriorating is in the lead for total damage, but at Mark IX, it's Inhibiting.
"Theme"
Someone else mentioned it before me, but it is what I noticed, too - there doesn't really seem to be a real theme between the secondary deflectors and the powers they buff. The thematic link is very weak. Maybe that's unavoidable if you don't want special secondary deflectors for every power... Still, it feels a bit artificial.
Questions
Anyone know the "cap" modifier for Epics?
I still can't transfer new characters to Tribble to really experiment here.
"cap" modifier?
it's still just getting started, i'm sure the devs want to 'feel it out' before committing to something more concrete.
I've posted elsewhere a couple ideas about future thematic secondaries. here's a more thorough list of some i'd like to see (includes fleet deflector procs):
Tal Shiar [Stl] [CMS] [SciCdr]
Dominion [[PrtG] [Inc] [Targ],
Voth [Sif] [Gra] [SInt],
Elachi [em] [Shds] [CMan],
Borg [SubD] [ENG] [HullR],
Breen [Flow] [FlwC] [Ins]
Hirogen [Sen] [Threat] [Inc]
It is a science cruiser jybrid and has sensor analysis and subsystem targeting.
This would be a nice thing to keep it competitive and would not 'break' anything.
...#LLAP...
One of the few Secondary Deflectors I was able to craft (since I can't transfer more chars to Tribble) had [SubD] giving 11.2 at Mk X.
Did it actually get the SubD from crafting or from upgrading? Just curious, cause I didn't get anything but the four Sci mods I mentioned earlier on any that I crafted (just PartG, FlwC, Sen, and Em)...but UR gave all sorts of things.
I'm assuming that's decompilers... That's very good to hear. The skill is expensive to SPEC, and there's a severe lack of equipment focusing on Decompilers.
Got it directly crafting an Inhibiting Sec Def at Mk X with a green quality result.
Yeah, Subspace Decompiler.
Screenshot of it if you're really curious. Note: the Radiation Damage is wonky from being in sector space, it's around 2700-2790 in combat space when mounted onto a DSD with 80-125 Aux IIRC.
Nifty, hadn't thought about the various Marks and what it would mean for the mods. All of mine were VR Mk II's when crafted - which could have limited me to those four mods. Will have to take a look at some of the other Marks then. Thanks.
Possible I suppose. I managed to craft two more Mk X green Sec Def before I ran out of the mats needed, one mod each: [Gra] - Starship Graviton Generators and [CMS] - Starship Countermeasure Systems.
All 6 mark IIs I managed to get made had the same four yours had, including [Sen]x2 being the only x2.
Kind of an interesting idea if it isn't a bug or random statical loading. It could mean it won't be like really high end AP beam arrays, where you just spam Mark II projects and hope to get the mods you want, then upgrade, you have to start at a higher mark to get certain mods. Boon for level 20 crafters with great DOffs, boon for people looking to just buy decent mark Secondary Deflector from the Exchange, though a bust for anyone wanting to craft at the lower end for profit or self.
Thanks, looks promising.
Joined January 2009
Change ships, zone, change back to that ship. I believe that was mentioned in the Patch Notes, though the only ship I've tried has a Sec Def slot already, so I haven't confirmed.
Man I'm so freaking pleased that the secondary deflectors are finally a go for science ships! We've come full circle. :cool:
"It's easy to cling to principles when you're standing on a vessel with its bulkheads intact, manned by a crew that's not starving."
That's odd. My Luna had them as soon as I logged in and looked.
Okay after today's Tribble patch and another (admittedly still only cursory because I'm about to head out the door) glance at two characters' ship rosters, I think all of the appropriate ships now have the secondary deflector slot with the exception of my Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit [T5-U].
I started in the Luna on Drozana Station, switched to the Nebula, beamed up to Drozana orbit, switched back to the Luna, beamed back down to Drozana, and still no secondary deflector on the ARVR T5-U.
Joined January 2009
Take your Science ships out and cross a few instances. It took me three or four map changes - per ship - to get the UI to sync up and offer the Secondary Deflector slot.