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BOFF powers revamp HAHA

etherealplanesetherealplanes Member Posts: 414
edited January 2015 in PvP Gameplay
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9052733-bridge-officer-training

Higher rank versions only attainable via crafting school. "Small" amounts of dilthium HMMM. WOW

CRF4 DEM4 Who knows maybe even SS4 OMG

So once this hits tribble gotta wonder what this will do to pvp. Although I am sure this will solve the issue of apo2 ewp2 gw2 etc...

I wonder if this means certain powers will be moved down at lower ranks though like would aux 2 sif 1 and aux 2 damp 1 be ens level powers now. Would ewp1 be a lt rank power?
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I have a gut feeling any costs to get everything we have now will be very benign, even as close to unnoticeable as they are now, there will just be a new hoop or 2 to jump through to create the data pad. and then you never have to go through retraining BS ever again, and boffs actually work with the load out system.


    the scary part is how they can use it for P2W of biblical proportions. how about EPtS4 for LTC? or BO4, HE4, etc. how about gold quality EPtS3 you can use in an ENS slot?

    has cryptic fallen far enough to stoop that low?
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As long as

    a) The dil cost doesn't get prohibitive, and

    b) They don't use this to powercreep Boff abilities,

    this could be a very nice improvement. Cheers for not having to go all the way back to the trainer, or having to hunt down your specific faction's career to train a high level ability (Rom-KDF Engineers, anyone?). They said that the school doesn't have to be leveled, which is nice.
  • eltatuseltatus Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    scurry5 wrote: »
    As long as

    a) The dil cost doesn't get prohibitive, and

    b) They don't use this to powercreep Boff abilities,

    Tell me you are not thaaaat naif..
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  • dareaudareau Member Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    scurry5 wrote: »
    b) They don't use this to powercreep Boff abilities

    You know, they said straight up in the blog that this is their chance to release levels of powers that don't exist right now but logically should...

    Like Photonic Officer III, and all the other skills that only got a I and II right now except on "hyper special BOffs"...

    And so, the opening salvo of "Powercreep Battles, BOff front" is fired...
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  • illcadiaillcadia Member Posts: 1,412 Bug Hunter
    edited January 2015
    This also means that romulan chars don't need intel spec boffs, since they can just train all their superior operatives in intel powers.
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    eltatus wrote: »
    Tell me you are not thaaaat naif..

    As if.....merely stating a couple conditions. I doubt that dilithium costs will be nuts ala upgrade system, but I expect powercreep galore.
  • umiharayuuumiharayuu Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dareau wrote: »
    You know, they said straight up in the blog that this is their chance to release levels of powers that don't exist right now but logically should...

    Like Photonic Officer III, and all the other skills that only got a I and II right now except on "hyper special BOffs"...

    And so, the opening salvo of "Powercreep Battles, BOff front" is fired...

    Odd, my Photonic BOF has Photonic Officer III. :P
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  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    If they move BOff ability rankings around (From Lt to Ens, for example), it'll change everything.
  • etherealplanesetherealplanes Member Posts: 414
    edited January 2015
    I was thinking and it came to me in a dream last night. This is their way of fixing voldy for good :P
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    When I look at the costs in terms of dil alone for R&D, how can this upcoming BOFF powers revamp NOT be dil costly? I'm just looking at Cryptic's history, most esp since they're tying these powers now to R&D.

    The rest of the stuff about the revamp looks like a decent idea so far.

    I guess we'll see when it goes out for testing.

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  • etherealplanesetherealplanes Member Posts: 414
    edited January 2015
    warmaker001b wrote: »
    When I look at the costs in terms of dil alone for R&D, how can this upcoming BOFF powers revamp NOT be dil costly? I'm just looking at Cryptic's history, most esp since they're tying these powers now to R&D.

    The rest of the stuff about the revamp looks like a decent idea so far.

    I guess we'll see when it goes out for testing.

    On Holodeck.

    God knows anything that happens on tribble related to this will be ignored :(
  • gr4v1t4rgr4v1t4r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    illcadia wrote: »
    This also means that romulan chars don't need intel spec boffs, since they can just train all their superior operatives in intel powers.

    It also means full SRO crews for fed and kdf.

    This game keeps getting better with every patch.
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  • umiharayuuumiharayuu Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    gr4v1t4r wrote: »
    It also means full SRO crews for fed and kdf.

    This game keeps getting better with every patch.

    SRO is a trait, not an ability.
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  • gr4v1t4rgr4v1t4r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    umiharayuu wrote: »
    SRO is a trait, not an ability.

    Yeah, but now those tactical embassy boffs with the trait, can be trained in any ability. So yeah...
    Lost and Delirious... and Disenchanted too
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    Expressing my opinion isn't trolling but nice try. Besides, if I was you wouldn't know it ;P
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  • umiharayuuumiharayuu Member Posts: 180 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    gr4v1t4r wrote: »
    Yeah, but now those tactical embassy boffs with the trait, can be trained in any ability. So yeah...

    Don't see how you can make a "full crew" when there's no ENG SRO from the Embassy.
    I just looked at ours and nope, just tac and sci.
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  • gr4v1t4rgr4v1t4r Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    umiharayuu wrote: »
    Don't see how you can make a "full crew" when there's no ENG SRO from the Embassy.
    I just looked at ours and nope, just tac and sci.

    Actually your totally right, I must have misread the blog, I thought it said teach any ability to any boff. I guess I was to tired last night *shrug*.
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    askray wrote: »
    Expressing my opinion isn't trolling but nice try. Besides, if I was you wouldn't know it ;P
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  • omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    You do realize this is coming from a company and a dev team that have lately just locked their targeting sensors on your wallet.

    Really is what this boils down to is you need dilith to train them then if you need the boff now, you will need dilith to get it and i am sure when you want to swap skills out you will need dilith to do it...

    Just more money grab and if you haven't noticed they don't allow the players time to build up from the last power creep its like one after another.

    This way instead of paying maybe 10 to 20 bucks for pay to win players they need to pay 300 bucks a month.

    For non pay players they farm a lot and have no time to do anything else other than play the same missions 8372598432 times!

    For people in the middle like me who use to give them a bit here and there for ship packs or maybe a few keys and dilith who also have no time to farm for hours on end would have to spend hundreds to keep up so they can go f them selves...!

    And still there are 5 year old bugs in this game that they don't care about...
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    omgrandalthor wrote: »
    You do realize this is coming from a company and a dev team that have lately just locked their targeting sensors on your wallet.

    Really is what this boils down to is you need dilith to train them then if you need the boff now, you will need dilith to get it and i am sure when you want to swap skills out you will need dilith to do it...

    Just more money grab and if you haven't noticed they don't allow the players time to build up from the last power creep its like one after another.

    This way instead of paying maybe 10 to 20 bucks for pay to win players they need to pay 300 bucks a month.

    For non pay players they farm a lot and have no time to do anything else other than play the same missions 8372598432 times!

    For people in the middle like me who use to give them a bit here and there for ship packs or maybe a few keys and dilith who also have no time to farm for hours on end would have to spend hundreds to keep up so they can go f them selves...!

    And still there are 5 year old bugs in this game that they don't care about...

    they seem to be releasing new ubur grinds at the pace it is physically possible for the mythical NEET whale to complete them, because apparently it is only they who are worth pleasing now. cant have them getting board with their done characters.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    they seem to be releasing new ubur grinds at the pace it is physically possible for the mythical NEET whale to complete them, because apparently it is only they who are worth pleasing now. cant have them getting board with their done characters.

    Its also possible it has nothing at all to do with any of us.

    Perhaps there just getting it done... so they can release this piece in China to people that will appreciate the genius.
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  • sohtohsohtoh Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    umiharayuu wrote: »
    Don't see how you can make a "full crew" when there's no ENG SRO from the Embassy.
    I just looked at ours and nope, just tac and sci.

    After I read this, I double-checked mine. Only Tac comes with SRO from our embassy. The Eng and Sci come with Subterfuge, regular and superior.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Its also possible it has nothing at all to do with any of us.

    Perhaps there just getting it done... so they can release this piece in China to people that will appreciate the genius.

    i think you figured it out, a NEET whale is probably a good way to describe the game playing and spending habits of about a billion Chinese people.

    so after all this time were the china connection was perfectly benign, and all of our guards were down, it finally comes to collect the game's head.

    as of the last tribble patch notes, i no longer even log in to start crafting projects. and i couldn't even name 1 command skill, i don't want to know, im just so done. they aren't ever going to be forced to bring the grind back down to sane levels, they are just gonna live off the Chinese and get away with ruining the game.
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  • lystentlystent Member Posts: 1,019
    edited January 2015
    scurry5 wrote: »
    As if.....merely stating a couple conditions. I doubt that dilithium costs will be nuts ala upgrade system, but I expect powercreep galore.

    Not that we already have power creepagedon
    *cough*upgrade
    *hack*specialization
  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    lystent wrote: »
    Not that we already have power creepagedon
    *cough*upgrade
    *hack*specialization

    We need a new word for this. Powerocketing? Powerzooming?
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    i think you figured it out, a NEET whale is probably a good way to describe the game playing and spending habits of about a billion Chinese people.

    so after all this time were the china connection was perfectly benign, and all of our guards were down, it finally comes to collect the game's head.

    as of the last tribble patch notes, i no longer even log in to start crafting projects. and i couldn't even name 1 command skill, i don't want to know, im just so done. they aren't ever going to be forced to bring the grind back down to sane levels, they are just gonna live off the Chinese and get away with ruining the game.

    I'm Chinese. Got a problem with that? ;)
  • omgrandalthoromgrandalthor Member Posts: 364 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    the new word is powerpocketing
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    omgrandalthor wrote: »
    the new word is powerpocketing

    That's the flashlight looking thing right ?
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  • spaceeagle20spaceeagle20 Member Posts: 971 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Its also possible it has nothing at all to do with any of us.

    Perhaps there just getting it done... so they can release this piece in China to people that will appreciate the genius.

    This is a very plausible possibility but my question is :in case ... just in case all of these grind and nerfs will make most of the trekkies run away or just close their wallets once and for all and just play the content, are they sure this MMO could be competitive enough in the Chinese market to survive?

    Pro : There are so many Chinese people ...
    Against : the IP is not so famous there and this game is far from being perfect and is only 10th or 9th in the best FREE MMOs top 10.
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  • notrealednanotrealedna Member Posts: 1,028
    edited January 2015
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    Its also possible it has nothing at all to do with any of us.

    Perhaps there just getting it done... so they can release this piece in China to people that will appreciate the genius.


    you know i never thought at that.Maybe they made the game like is now to move it to chance (probably under a different name).Pve games are for offline play not on a server with a item store.
  • staq16staq16 Member Posts: 1,181 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »
    i think you figured it out, a NEET whale is probably a good way to describe the game playing and spending habits of about a billion Chinese people.

    What do you understand by NEET - the usual UK use is "a young person who is 'Not in Education, Employment, or Training' ".

    In the context of this thread I assume this means that (a) they have lots of free time and (b) can spend money since they don't have to worry about providing for food, housing etc. Contrast with China which is, at least in terms of raw effort, outcompeting much of the West by working longer hours for less money.

    Not that I disagree with the underpinning logic - after all, maxing out your specialisations will only take a long working week in Argala...
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