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cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
Since some Science ships got or will get a secondary deflector why not give the other career path ships their own double gear?

I'll admit I blow up a lot in my tactical ships so they could use an extra shield as far as I'm concerned. That leaves the Engineer, who are already good tanks but their ships aren't exactly sporty, ,so how about a secondary warp core? Though actually an impulse engine makes more sense now that I think of it...

I don't suppose it'd be too much to ask to give 'em all an extra warp core (hey, we can warp to the delta quadrant now)?
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  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited January 2015
    It's been hinted at for so long, I suspect it's like the side mounted weapons, expansions to [insert whatever here], and the focus on PvP that Cryptic have promised in the past....

    All vapourware. It's designed to keep you wanting...
  • stardestroyer001stardestroyer001 Member Posts: 2,615 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Very few ships canonically have secondary shielding. So few in fact, the Scimitar has its own unique console for it.

    While a secondary warp core has been shown in the past to exist, for some reason we never see a ship using both cores at the same time. So that's pretty unlikely.

    Secondary engines are more likely, as we see multiple ships with backup engines, such as the Galaxy class.
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  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Well I want, now gimme.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As if we need more vectors for power creep and nickel/diming. :P

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  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    As if we need more vectors for power creep and nickel/diming. :P

    Get out Mr.I-don't-want-anything-new. I mean do you really think you can stop power creep, or that that even makes sense in a game like this? You think Intelligence will be the only specialization?
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Supposedly this is what Cruiser Commands and Flanking for Raiders are for. Flanking could be added to all Escorts, but that is the easy way out.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Escorts have DPS in a DPS-centric meta that Cryptic panders to and has absolutely no interest in reigning in. They do not need anything, because they are the goose that lays golden eggs. There is no point in giving them anything because they already have everything space gameplay requires.

    Warbirds challenged that with their singularity powers and accompanied doffs and whatnot that lets a player do more with their singularity powers.

    Cruisers and Science Vessels were understandably left in the dark. Cryptic's solution to balance Cruisers and Science Vessels against Escorts and Warbirds was to create Cruiser Commands and Secondary Deflectors.

    Cruiser Commands were a good step in the right direction, even though there is absolutely nothing in the game that helps augment and customize Cruiser commands to benefit a particular playstyle (or number of playstyles).

    Secondary Deflectors are unfortunately vaporware at this point. I held out hope they would be out by now, but with their team focusing on other projects that aren't related to Secondary Deflectors (like additional reputation gear, consoles, space traits, spec trees, T6 ships, Intelligence powers, etc.), I'm really not holding my breath on seeing more secondary deflectors anytime soon, unless they are specifically attached to a brand new science ship, or an old science ship (like the Intrepid) which they shamelessly double dip on.

    This shouldn't come to a big surprise, since science vessels have grown to be the redheaded stepchild of ship choices in STO. Cryptic's masterful solution to making competitive science ships (and to be fair, cruisers) is to make them more like escorts and less like science ships (or cruisers).

    With comments around the time of Delta Rising in response to getting some science love is, "Don't worry, more tactical-focused science ships are coming down the pipe!" you kind of already know Cryptic has nothing fresh to bring to the table except more pandering to the DPS meta.

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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    Supposedly this is what Cruiser Commands and Flanking for Raiders are for. Flanking could be added to all Escorts, but that is the easy way out.

    a flanking bonus has been added to ALL ships now... you just need to grind the spec points for it.
  • luddimusluddimus Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Im assuming you keep blowing up with the annoying Vaadwaar polaron flack cannon, Personally I use the Dyson set for the Adv. Metaphasic shields on my Jem carrier, stacking Mk xii Parametallic Hull plating Is good for tanking against Polaron Damage as well :D
  • wen1503wen1503 Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Just hit evasive maneuvers... Don't be there when it detonates.
  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    how about narrow focus beams (whatever flavor ) ( 90 degree instead of 180 ).........????????
  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    We have those already.
  • seriousxenoseriousxeno Member Posts: 473 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    Supposedly this is what Cruiser Commands and Flanking for Raiders are for. Flanking could be added to all Escorts, but that is the easy way out.

    Good lord no... Thats the one thing that keeps raiders unique. Please don't give them the idea to squander that. Besides, if you need flanking so badly, have a look at the intelligence specialization tree again.
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  • allyoftheforceallyoftheforce Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I don't see those happening any time soon, if at all. The secondary deflectors are as many say, vaporware. But here's to hoping that it may get done. If it does get done, it won't be done right or be balanced the way it should. More likely to see something like computer cores than secondary shields and warp cores. IMO
  • battykoda0battykoda0 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I hope there is a bigger selection of these second items than the selection there is on secondary deflectors. :P
    Wow. There is a new KDF Science ship. I'll be!
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I want a backup set of 8 extra weapon slots.

    For emergency purposes.

    That drain no power.
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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    All the new Stealth ships should get a Secondary Deflector slot because Stealth.

    That would be easy for them to add and would encourage purchasing the Dyson Science Destroyer in the Lobi store.
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  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Maybe, but they already gave engineers a heal-all power so instead of doubling down I though they could do something to lessen their weaknesses.
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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Actually it makes some sense for cruisers to have secondary shields (they're big with a lot of excess power but they're also sort of sitting ducks) and escorts to have secondary impulse engines that allow them additional sublight speeds. Really the "Red Alert" mechanic that deactivates full impulse is a kiss of death for escorts that rely on their speed to hit and run and avoid dangerous situations they cannot tank their way through. Their secondary engine could provide a lesser speed boost than regular full impulse but still more than they get now.

    They need to permanently remove the "Dead Alert" thing and allow Captains to determine ship status.
  • hyperionx09hyperionx09 Member Posts: 1,709 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    At most, I could see Cruisers getting a built-in Subsystem backup; where once every 30-60 seconds, any would-be subsystem failure would instead only bring the subsystem down to 10-15 power instead of a total shutdown. Probably only for Shields and Engines (though battlecruisers/dreadnoughts/battleships would also have Weapon subsystem backup) given the defensive/tank nature of cruisers.

    Science already has secondary deflectors (on select ships), but they could do with having other options besides the Lobi store Dyson Destroyer's secondary deflector that allow for greater flexibility and synergy with Sci abililities, such as a 2ndary Deflector that grants extra hold power and damage to Gravity Wells and Tractor Beams/Reversed TBR, or a 2ndary Deflector that adds a confuse/placate debuff to all Sci skills.

    Escorts generally already have DPS and speed to their advantage; and don't need anything doubled or added to make them even more useful than they already are.
  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    cbob312 wrote: »
    Since some Science ships got or will get a secondary deflector why not give the other career path ships their own double gear?

    I'll admit I blow up a lot in my tactical ships so they could use an extra shield as far as I'm concerned. That leaves the Engineer, who are already good tanks but their ships aren't exactly sporty, ,so how about a secondary warp core? Though actually an impulse engine makes more sense now that I think of it...

    I don't suppose it'd be too much to ask to give 'em all an extra warp core (hey, we can warp to the delta quadrant now)?
    crusires already have more weapons than any other ships and they have thier commands. so no they dont need tripple shields and warp cores.
  • mightybobcncmightybobcnc Member Posts: 3,354 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    cbob312 wrote: »
    Get out Mr.I-don't-want-anything-new. I mean do you really think you can stop power creep, or that that even makes sense in a game like this? You think Intelligence will be the only specialization?

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  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    We should start with the Dev announced Armor slot from... last year?

    Then we cuddle with a Computer Core slot.
  • cbob312cbob312 Member Posts: 200 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    We should start with the Dev announced Armor slot from... last year?

    Then we cuddle with a Computer Core slot.

    Color me intrigued, do you good sir or madame have a link to this?
  • misterlerkmisterlerk Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    cbob312 wrote: »
    Since some Science ships got or will get a secondary deflector why not give the other career path ships their own double gear?
    Because Secondary Deflectors aren't linked to ships based on career paths. They're only for Science Vessels, rather than every type of science ship.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    We should start with the Dev announced Armor slot from... last year?
    I don't remeber that ever being announced. Maybe a kind of "brainstormed" idea.


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    Secondary Deflectors were meant as a solution to a problem - Science Vessels being considered weak.

    We don't need Secondary Shields, Warp Cores, or Engines unless there is actually a weakness in a particular type of ship that needs to be adressed. But no one can tell me that Escorts are underpowered, and I also challenge that claim for Cruisers. Specific Cruisers, certainly, but generally?

    Science Vessels have one good use in my experience - help out PUGs that don't bring the DPS necessary for Infected Advanced and similar Queued events. But that is a bit... sad niche. It means you don't need them if you're actually good.
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  • kerygankerygan Member Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    how about : http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Sovereign_class


    16 phaser arrays
    1 forward quantum torpedo launcher
    3 forward photon torpedo launchers
    6 aft photon torpedo launchers

    why just 8 weapons ... its not suppose to be like that ... :D
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