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Well, why NOT revamp the Caitan models?

mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
edited January 2015 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
In the recent "Design a Duty Officer" contest ( http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9052013 ), this was one of the winners:

http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/arc/b5/aa/b5aa20cb6cb1ec90f17bd5b42e9a3e921419883789.png

See? HAIR! Hair makes a big difference on Caitan, doesn't it?

I wish the Devs would look into a revamp of the Caitan models. I'm sure there were many disappointed players who were hoping to make their own M'Ress toon but were not allowed to pull it off due to lack of hair or better looking facial models.
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    One can only dream... :(
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  • kitsunesnoutkitsunesnout Member Posts: 1,210 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    It was a worthy try, but for boffs or players, that would look so strange I think, I mean, that kind of hairstyle works on cartoon style caitians, but it really doesn't look like it would belong on a Caitian with STO's graphics without looking like a wig, the hair really needs to look like the rest of the body fur, we just need to keep the hair graphics as it is now, but add extra styles with it aside from texture.
  • crabbycabbycrabbycabby Member Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Maybe have a look at the Hani from C.J. Cherryh's Chanur novels?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chanur_novels
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    The Caitians in game look nothing like M'Ress (the only Caitian we do see for more than two seconds screentime). TAS should be the template for this species which means we should get hair options and digitigrade legs with paws and - most importantly - the option to go barefeet/paws. Yes, so much work to redo footwear - then don't. Let players choose either the plantigrade style we have now (nothing changes) or a new leg options for digitigrade which comes with two or three trouser and skirt options and no footwear.
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  • mjarbarmjarbar Member Posts: 2,084 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    All of this has been discussed at length here and goes on for over 101 pages

    http://http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=831761

    Caitians and Ferasens need a lot of work and additions which is on the Devs 'to do, somewhere, sometime' list so nobody hold their breath for this anytime soon!

    If you have anything to add, even if it just an 'I agree with this post' then please join the thread posted above as we can then show the devs that this is something a sizeable proportion of the player base want so may get bumped up the priority list. If we have multiple threads all over the place it gets confusing and dilutes our responce to the subject. :)
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Simply put : they haven't found a way to monetize it. Sure, they could sell them on the cstore, but they are not willing to add more stuff for entire faction (when was the last time a KDF only costume was released in the cstore ?), you can't expect them to work on a single species.
    Your only hope is a dev that might be interested doing it, probably off work.
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  • mjarbarmjarbar Member Posts: 2,084 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    erei1 wrote: »
    Simply put : they haven't found a way to monetize it. Sure, they could sell them on the cstore, but they are not willing to add more stuff for entire faction (when was the last time a KDF only costume was released in the cstore ?), you can't expect them to work on a single species.
    Your only hope is a dev that might be interested doing it, probably off work.

    The last time a dev responded to the thread, I mentioned, they said that the head shape used by the Caitian/Ferasen models - along with the Gorn model - is that they have a different head shape to the rest of the character base, and that to add existing hair styles or add new ones would require a complete rework, and as it would be for a select amount of players as opposed to the entire player base, has to take a lower priority than the rest of the game, regardless of if it was put in the Cstore or not. This is why Caitians and Gorn can't use the sunglasses from the summer event.

    So indeed it would more than likely to only come about if the devs will do off work, and there is a whole lot of stuff that needs to be tweaked, polished and fixed but from what I have been reading in various threads - and from what devs have said in the past - it seems the focus is always on the next big launch, either season or expansion, and afterwards it is firefighting major bugs. Taking time out from this to add the stuff everyone would like isn't on the cards! The only way to change this would be a shift in focus from "more players, more money" to " maximise what we have".
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I saw it as the devs saying "look! We WANT to give Caitians this stuff, but Geko has us stuck in the Delta quadrant!"
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  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    I dont remember cats having hair like people.

    maybe that's why
    I don't remember cats walking on 2 legs, flying starship, and speaking. Perhaps because this is STO and not real life ? And those are not cats, but Caitian.
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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    I dont remember cats having hair like people.

    maybe that's why

    This cat does: http://hellogiggles.hellogiggles.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/11/crazy_hair_cat1.jpg

    Anyway, they are not cats, they are Caitians, and they are able to grow hair:

    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/6/60/MRess.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20061205201828&path-prefix=en
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,608 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    crabbycabby wrote: »
    Maybe have a look at the Hani from C.J. Cherryh's Chanur novels?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chanur_novels

    Oh, I loved the Chanur series. Best depiction of multiple alien species in an SF novel, rivaled only by David Brin's first Uplift Series. CJ Cherryh is absolutely the grand old lady of science fiction, and her more recent Foreigner Sequence is damned good, as well.

    Cherryh has thought through, in detail, more about the social consequences of a space-borne diaspora than any other SF author I have read.

    All that said, (ahem!), back on topic. That pic isn't my favorite...
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,009 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    I dont remember cats having hair like people.

    maybe that's why

    The species they claim to portray in this game, however, can, as seen in the show.
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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    ^ Have to agree with this. There's little return on the investment here.

    That doesn't mean it cannot be suggested, it's an improvement, might not be important but I don't see any problem about adding it, it seems like a simple modification.

    Right now there are bigger problems, but this can be added in the future.

    Besides, there is profit here, Updating the caitian model might make players buy the playable version and the boff version.
  • erei1erei1 Member Posts: 4,081 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    Give me a list of 100 issues with sto, and I'll give you a list of 100 better things for the devs to concentrate on than giving human hair to cats.
    valoreah wrote: »
    ^ Have to agree with this. There's little return on the investment here.
    Personal opinion right there. While I doesn't care at all about caitian hair, I know some people that are huge fan of the species, and would like hair very much.
    Priority list is different for everyone.

    Mine would start with re-balancing the game, and fixing the DR grind. Then finishing + balancing the Romulan, followed by some KDF love.
    Some would start with PvP, or better STF, more trek feels, exploration, diplomacy...

    In the end, I think we all know we are not getting any of that. We are going to have more content, new bugs, a few old fixed, and more grind with cash grab.
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  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    Or it might not make players buy anything. The same has been said for bridges and interiors, yet according to Cryptic, these don't sell well so they don't make them.

    Bridges and interiors are almost useless, there is little to do inside a ship other than grabbing some doff assigments, meanwhile playable species sell well, there are lots of liberated borgs and caitians, and unlike interiors, everyone can see them, all the time.

    Besides, adding some hairstyles takes way less time than making an entire interior+navmeshes.
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  • velktravelktra Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    crabbycabby wrote: »
    Maybe have a look at the Hani from C.J. Cherryh's Chanur novels?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chanur_novels

    The Charr hairstyles might also work well for Caitians.
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  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mjarbar wrote: »
    All of this has been discussed at length here and goes on for over 101 pages

    http://http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=831761

    Caitians and Ferasens need a lot of work and additions which is on the Devs 'to do, somewhere, sometime' list so nobody hold their breath for this anytime soon!

    If you have anything to add, even if it just an 'I agree with this post' then please join the thread posted above as we can then show the devs that this is something a sizeable proportion of the player base want so may get bumped up the priority list. If we have multiple threads all over the place it gets confusing and dilutes our responce to the subject. :)


    I disagree. The more threads that are opened about this subject, the less likely that the Devs can ignore them.
  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    repetitiveepic wrote: »
    Give me a list of 100 issues with sto, and I'll give you a list of 100 better things for the devs to concentrate on than giving human hair to cats.

    If they can't even give hair to cats, then what hope is there for them to fix anything at all?
  • admiralkristovadmiralkristov Member Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Ugh... furries...
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  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Well, this is sure depressing. So many people using the excuse for Devs to slack off cuz HURR DURR CODING IZ TOO HARD. If they have the time to turn the entire platform in Winter Wonderland from wood to ice and toss in an old-school WarcraftIII tower defense map, then they certainly can spare a little time to allow Caitans to have some hair.
  • bioixibioixi Member Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Well, this is sure depressing. So many people using the excuse for Devs to slack off cuz HURR DURR CODING IZ TOO HARD. If they have the time to turn the entire platform in Winter Wonderland from wood to ice and toss in an old-school WarcraftIII tower defense map, then they certainly can spare a little time to allow Caitans to have some hair.

    Exactly, it's just hair, we are not asking for much.

    Now we just need some wigs for bolians and saurians: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081222153346/memoryalpha/en/images/2/22/Bolian_with_toupee.jpg :D
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mjarbar wrote: »
    All of this has been discussed at length here and goes on for over 101 pages

    http://http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=831761

    Caitians and Ferasens need a lot of work and additions which is on the Devs 'to do, somewhere, sometime' list so nobody hold their breath for this anytime soon!

    If you have anything to add, even if it just an 'I agree with this post' then please join the thread posted above as we can then show the devs that this is something a sizeable proportion of the player base want so may get bumped up the priority list. If we have multiple threads all over the place it gets confusing and dilutes our responce to the subject. :)

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  • iwontsayiwontsay Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mhirtesc wrote: »
    Well, this is sure depressing. So many people using the excuse for Devs to slack off cuz HURR DURR CODING IZ TOO HARD. If they have the time to turn the entire platform in Winter Wonderland from wood to ice and toss in an old-school WarcraftIII tower defense map, then they certainly can spare a little time to allow Caitans to have some hair.

    And that's where you're completely wrong. Replacing a texture isn't that much. Maybe just a click in a single selection box. Adding new parts to a map isn't that much either.

    Designing a hairstyle for

    a) a singular species (since wouldn't actually work for Ferasans as well)
    b) and doing so that there are no clipping issues, because players would just open a thread and demand to FIX THEM NOW!!!11!!!

    is too much effort for too little gain.

    Really, adding a hairstyle because people just saw it in a ST:TOS comic? Get real.
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