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pepper8892
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I know in the past players complained about BO 3, and it got nerfed. I want to know what the thinking is behind surgical strike 3, below is 3 hits I got in ker'ret, back to back, and how do you deal with something like that? If ever something needs nerfed....
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 10025 (28442) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Beam Bank - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 7874 (30074) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 10222 (32830) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: tell me that isn't just crazy back to back
I removed the name of the player, so he can stay private.
Please Cryptic, can you fix this, or at least, give back BO 3 the way it was, so at least a beam ship will have a small chance?
I am not a newbie, and my ship carries, Mk XIV fleet shield, and has 60 damage resist across the board. so this wasn't just a weak ship.
I'm done crying now.. lol
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 10025 (28442) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Beam Bank - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 7874 (30074) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: S deals 10222 (32830) Phaser Damage(Critical) to you with Bio-Molecular Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons - Surgical Strikes III.
[Zone] Shorty@pepper8892: tell me that isn't just crazy back to back
I removed the name of the player, so he can stay private.
Please Cryptic, can you fix this, or at least, give back BO 3 the way it was, so at least a beam ship will have a small chance?
I am not a newbie, and my ship carries, Mk XIV fleet shield, and has 60 damage resist across the board. so this wasn't just a weak ship.
I'm done crying now.. lol
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With that out of the way, I'm under the impression that it's to deal with those pesky HP and resistance-bloated NPCs, mainly at Advanced and Elite.
And also encourage purchasing of a T6 Intel. Which means SS3 (and SS2) are already nerfed; they're only accessible if you put down for a T6 Intel ship, unlike BO3, where any ship with the necessary Tac station can fit it.
So unless Cryptic decides to make Intel ships more common in Lockbox/Lobi format (actual Intel ships with Cmdr Intel seating), SS3 is already "balanced", being locked to a specific Specialization and a specific ship.
And caters to the DPS'ers who are wiling to pay for maximum vape potential; some of which are PvP'ers looking for any extra bonus to one-up another. So it does add to PvP in that odd sense; the one where skill and money can net you the best.
While also serving as a usable crutch for poorly planned builds needing that bit of extra DPS, but have the cash to access it.
Can I suggest using Feedback Pulse to upset your Surgical Strike using opponents?
Free Tibet!
I wish PvP would be stricken from tha game altogether. Nothing but nerfing comes out of PvP.
I blame lack of cool AI on all of this. It's really not the PvP'ers fault they want change. PvE'ers want smarter AI too. The Vaddwaur are getting us in the right direction with this I think, on the Ground at least.
Rage On!! hah!! Just kidding. Love my Fellow Gamer.
People melt single targets with a single target ability like Surgical Strikes, people are up in arms?
^^ This. 100% this!
This power is crazy good, and you don't need a high level tac BOFF station to slot it.
Not everyone have a ship full of [ctrd] AP weapons, but when more people will use them alongside SS3, that will quickly get out of control.
It makes sense to me that a Cmdr level power is better than a lt.Cmdr power.
But, what I really wonder about - what will we call Scramble Sensors now that Surgical Strike is occupying the SS acronym?
Maybe USP? (unused/underutilized/underpowered Science Power?) But wouldn't that be confusing with Viral Matrix, Charged Particle Burst or Photonic Shockwave? At least it would be distinguishable from USE (Aceton Beam/Eject Warp Plasma/Auxiliary to Dampeners III).
Anyway, I was saying that in regard to how the ships are balanced. Some of them doesn't have many tac BOFF slot because they have very high defensive abilities. Surgical strike is a way to use an extremely powerful ability on an otherwise extremely defensive ship. Also, you can use SS in combination with any tactical abilities without problem, even on a ship with limited tac abilities.
In the past, on some ship, you used to make a choice. Either BFAW or a pattern. With this new intel power, you just can take both.
:rolleyes:
Translation:
I suck at PvP, please alter the game to make me good.
And again, SS2/3 is already balanced. It's tied to a specific ship class of a specific Specialization. Unlike CSV3 or CRF3 or BO3 or FAW3, which can be equipped on any ship of any type as long as it has the Lt. Cmdr. or Cmdr. seat for them.
If anything, it's a good thing Cryptic hasn't released straight up Intel Lockbox ships to allow wider use of the skill; thus far keeping it to the faction. The only change needed is giving KDF an Intel Raider so that they can better compete vs the Phantom and Faeht, and giving the Roms an Intel Cruiser or Battlecruiser so that they can compete with the Eclipse and the Qib. (Rom and KDF do need a Sci ship, Intel or not, but that's a different discussion).
Then all everyone else has to do is save up Zen and get themselves a T6 Escort/Warbird/Raider and play Player-vaping-Player to their hearts content. And find another reason to squeeze in Feedback Pulse for some possible mutually assisted destruction.
And invariably another powerful skill will debut with the next Specialization, and we will have this exact same thread over it. Personally, I hope it's the Torpedo equivalent, with 100% Resistance Ignore and HY3 level special proc rate instead of Criticals. With the Specialization after that being a combined APB3 + FaW3/CSV3 power similar to Worf's or Tuvok's double skill abilities. And the Specialization after that having a combined FP3 + RSP3 ability.
How do you feel about the Borg one shotting you from full shields and hull? Being melted before you even have the chance to react?
Or (now here's the best one), being killed by a borg that you can't even see? The Faeht can use SS through its cloak.
It's the same situation here. Would you call for a nerf? Or, perhaps, the Devs to use their existing [PvPMod] infrastructure to make it appropriate for player level HP?
I mean, the examples pepper used are not even on the high end of SS's potential. I've personally got 50k cannon crits in pvp, and I have seen people breaking 80-90k PER HIT.
It's not as if SS is really even superior in dps to FAW.....I mean sarcasmdetector has managed to get 53k in a bloody 2 tactical console oddy....that's with good old FAW, and it doesn't look like SS will out dps the old school FAW boats. If you really need SS to do dps you obviously need piloting help before anything else.
So just a closing statement. SS offers little to no benefit over non broken ability in PVE, but creates a very deadly environment for any non hyper tank in pvp, that can only rarely be countered with FBP if you are not disabled by some of the many different abilities we know have in DR. So Ya, some changes should definitely be made to abilities like SS and some of its Intel cousins.
Edit: also, you guys try to counter a Borg gate that fires invisi-torps in volleys of 5 while battle cloaked all while being nuked by hirogen battlecruisers and disabled in ionic turbulence. That is all
People melt single targets with a single target ability like Surgical Strikes, people are up in arms?
Most folks didn't really bother to read much of anything the OP was saying. Even I missed that, meh, looking at how low the SS3 numbers were - I honestly thought it was either somebody trying to troll PvP folks by getting certain PvE folks up in arms or trying to troll both PvP folks and those certain PvE folks by getting them up in arms. Cause those SS3 numbers are low, by both PvE and PvP standards. Heh, if the numbers had just been posted by themselves - would have been a case of thinking somebody was making fun of how low they were.
I thought the same thing. I guess he has never run into emoJoe's 100k+ hits.
Run a good Feedback Pulse, and watch Surgical users blow themselves up instead of you.
You may be surprised how easy it is to get people to do that. I used to do that with a TAC Captain on a Vo'Quv and flying a FBP build for ****s and giggles.
It won't work on savvy players who recognize all the signs, but not as many players out there are savvy to begin with.