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Star Trek 3 loses Roberto Orci; fans move to 'Bring in Riker'

gbw2318gbw2318 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
edited December 2014 in Ten Forward
Recently Roberto Orci has stepped away from directing Star Trek 3. This has prompted fans on Twitter and Facebook to trend #BringInRiker in an effort to get Jonathan Frakes to replace him. Frakes himself has apparently caught wind of it and is so psyched at the idea that's he's reached out to JJ Abrams who's still producing the film.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    I rather have Frakes than Wright.
    Wrights' style is WRONG for Trek.

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  • lonnehartlonnehart Member Posts: 846 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    My only question is this... will Paramount listen to the fans? You know how some of these companies view the fandom of any work as complete and total morons...
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Move the discussion over here, folks.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Yeah, because that Thunderbirds movie was such a cinematic masterpiece.
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  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    another rumor piece with nothing to back it. can you create a thread next time that actually contains a hard fact who is directing 3?
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  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,203 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Yeah, because that Thunderbirds movie was such a cinematic masterpiece.

    Let's not forget how awesome Star Trek: Insurrection was, too.
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,965 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    Let's not forget how awesome Star Trek: Insurrection was, too.

    Not everything is the director's fault. I doubt Frakes had the authority to get the whole damn script redone from square one. I don't hold Insurrection against Frakes any more than I hold Janeway against Mulgrew.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    mattjohnsonva wrote: »
    It was a kids film and I think he did it brilliantly, my 6 year old son at the time forced me to watch it over and over again, but the humour, the action, the effects, and the story was brilliant. I'd watch it again now but the DVD wore out, no kidding!!

    Clearly, the Citizen Kane of childrens' storytelling.
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  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited December 2014
    As a fan of the Abrams films, I hope they find the right person. I was hopeful that Orci would do well, given his strife with the fanbase (something that, while you don't tell fans to "eff off" and bite the hand that feeds, was largely due to childish internet trolls).

    I'm curious as to what this means for his script.

    In any case, this is still a Bad Robot production, so I highly doubt that Frakes will be brought on. It's not impossible, but I don't want to see a retread from the Berman era. Not for this movie.
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  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    First Contact was Frakes directing. The Borg Queen was a little overly sexy, but I blame Dumb & Dumber for that.

    He got one hell of a performance out of Picard and Data, you have to admit that.
  • organicmanfredorganicmanfred Member Posts: 3,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Maybe the JJ-Prise will fire a weapon or two in the 3rd film?
  • mhall85mhall85 Member Posts: 2,852 Arc User1
    edited December 2014
    worffan101 wrote: »
    First Contact was Frakes directing. The Borg Queen was a little overly sexy, but I blame Dumb & Dumber for that.

    He got one hell of a performance out of Picard and Data, you have to admit that.

    If you mean Berman & Braga, then agreed. :D The Borg Queen was a dumb idea, IMO... but First Contact was very good, and I credit it to Frakes and Ron Moore.

    Frakes certainly knows (and cares about) the source material, but I don't know if he matches Abrams' style. I don't know if Edgar Wright does, either, mind you... but, with Abrams and Orci still on as producers, I think they'll find someone to maintain the ambiance of that universe. Plus, it seems that Bad Robot is one of those production companies that always works with the same people (Giachino on music, for example).

    It wouldn't be the worst choice in the world... but, still, I don't see it happening.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    organicmanfred wrote: »
    Maybe the JJ-Prise will fire a weapon or two in the 3rd film?
    Don't be silly. Everyone knows Starfleet is peaceful and not a military organization. :P

    Ok, now that your sarcasm detectors have exploded.....

    I am curious as to whether Roxanne Dawson(B'Elanna) would be a good choice, she does mostly directing these days as is.
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    hravik wrote: »
    Let's not forget how awesome Star Trek: Insurrection was, too.

    But what sucked about Insurrection? To me the film, at least visually, was done very well. One of the better battle scenes, good editing, good special effects. I didn't like the story and for that's what killed it.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    rekurzion wrote: »
    I didn't like the story and for that's what killed it.

    Without a good story, the rest of what you mention is worthless.

    See: Star Wars Prequels.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Without a good story, the rest of what you mention is worthless.

    See: Star Wars Prequels.

    But JarJar stole the show... everyone knows JarJar.

    Sides the prequels told the story of Vader... everyone knew he fell to the dark side and he helped wipe out the Jedi's for the Emperor.
  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited December 2014
    mhall85 wrote: »
    If you mean Berman & Braga, then agreed. :D The Borg Queen was a dumb idea, IMO... but First Contact was very good, and I credit it to Frakes and Ron Moore.

    Frakes certainly knows (and cares about) the source material, but I don't know if he matches Abrams' style.

    "Abrams' style"? Based on what his Trek movies are so far, that's more Michael Bay. I like the phasers and photons as much as the next geek (possibly more than some other old-school Trekkies), but Trek often has works where those are not necessary, or at least limited. TOS's "City on the Edge of Forever", TNG's "Measure of a Man", DS9's "The Visitor", even Voyager's "Death Wish": these all tell great stories with little or no explosions. I'd love to see the third film find story that works like these. (Just not dull like, you know, The Motion Picture.) ;)
    markhawkman wrote: »

    I am curious as to whether Roxanne Dawson(B'Elanna) would be a good choice, she does mostly directing these days as is.

    Her directing is in television only, is it not? Epic movies with tons of visual effects take it to a whole 'nuther level. Not saying she can't, just wondering, though.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    steamwright wrote: »
    "Abrams' style"? Based on what his Trek movies are so far, that's more Michael Bay. I like the phasers and photons as much as the next geek (possibly more than some other old-school Trekkies), but Trek often has works where those are not necessary, or at least limited. TOS's "City on the Edge of Forever", TNG's "Measure of a Man", DS9's "The Visitor", even Voyager's "Death Wish": these all tell great stories with little or no explosions. I'd love to see the third film find story that works like these. (Just not dull like, you know, The Motion Picture.) ;)
    Ironically, the Motionless picture was boring despite having explosions and special effects galore.
    Her directing is in television only, is it not? Epic movies with tons of visual effects take it to a whole 'nuther level. Not saying she can't, just wondering, though.
    Enh, she's done Star Trek and Agents of SHIELD. Sure it's logner than a TV ep, but...
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Sides the prequels told the story of Vader... everyone knew he fell to the dark side and he helped wipe out the Jedi's for the Emperor.

    The story was more interestng in the original trilogy's vague references than what George Lucas brought to life in the prequels.

    The Clone Wars were far more exciting when it was Sir Alec Guinness talking about them, rather than what was actually portrayed.

    Anakin Skywalker was more of a "cunning warrior and a good friend" when it was Alec Guinness reminescing on the mysterious past than Hayden Christensen or even the cartoons.

    Without the help* of the Expanded Universe, the Prequel Trilogy by itself makes absolutely zero sense, and the characterizations mady by the entire cast do not resemble the human beings we saw in the original trilogy.

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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    Without a good story, the rest of what you mention is worthless.

    See: Star Wars Prequels.

    that's my point...the story is already written, so if its a bad story it doesn't matter who directs it.

    note: the worst thing about the bad story of Insurrection was it overshadowed data's final sacrifice of himself for his captain...the ultimate gesture of his humanity.
  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    rekurzion wrote: »
    that's my point...the story is already written, so if its a bad story it doesn't matter who directs it.

    note: the worst thing about the bad story of Insurrection was it overshadowed data's final sacrifice of himself for his captain...the ultimate gesture of his humanity.

    That was Nemesis. Insurrection was the one with the immortal people and the ugly aliens who turned out to be the immortal people's bratty kids and had the giant holodeck ship.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,473 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    And even in Nemesucks, the sacrifice made no sense. Can't beam Picard back because the transporters are offline? How about the shuttle emergency transporters? Or the cargo transporter, which is on a different circuit? Yet neither of these ever occurred to the superintelligent Data...

    ...I dunno, maybe by then his multiple failures to become human had made him suicidal? Now that would have been a character arc worth exploring!
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  • rekurzionrekurzion Member Posts: 697 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    moonshadowdark wrote: »
    That was Nemesis. Insurrection was the one with the immortal people and the ugly aliens who turned out to be the immortal people's bratty kids and had the giant holodeck ship.

    Damn, you're right. Not sure how I got that mixed up.
  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,769 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    no orci? whoa!
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  • grandnaguszek1grandnaguszek1 Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    markhawkman wrote: »
    Ironically, the Motionless picture was boring despite having explosions and special effects galore.

    Wait, when was there ever an explosion in TMP except at the end? I thought it was a good movie.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    grandnaguszek1 wrote: »
    Wait, when was there ever an explosion in TMP except at the end? I thought it was a good movie.
    Hmm... okay, technically the stuff V'Ger did wasn't explosions, but it was just as flashy..
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  • moonshadowdarkmoonshadowdark Member Posts: 1,899 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    rekurzion wrote: »
    Damn, you're right. Not sure how I got that mixed up.

    All ST movies sort of blend together after Generations. It's understandable.
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