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Well while you guys saw the new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5. Im sure some PPL of your got wet down there. All the old Lock Box SHips are Very Powerfull but in my opinion They got all obsolette with the the 13th Boff seating of T6 Ships. I agree that the Benthan and Hazari are nice ships but in my opinnion they are far too expensive for what ull get.
Same goes for the new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5^^. Even if u bought it on the Exchange somewhere some guy if the drop Changce is bei maybe 1-2% have opend anround 75 R&D Boxes 300 base 1 Box its = 22500 Zen = 225~ Euro/Dollar. The Price tag is much too high in my opinion for Virtual that ull never can Touch.
Lotto is never good for the game and i dont like the promotion of gambling, i agree that gambling is some dump part of our humanity. But i never thought i would see it so technological advanced in in the Delta Quadrant please dont let u guys assimilated by gambling and dont buy the R&D BOXES on Thursday.
I think its time for a Lotto petition inside Free to Play games even Tera and Gw2 have them. But dont forget our Game is the Star Treak Universe, but for now it seems we Pay for it for what we got and it seems Ferengis infiltrated Perfect World/Cryptic too support our greed to be better if we Pay for it.
Dont forget if you buy that new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5 off the exchange its worth a bicycle that will hold 15 Years+. The new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5 will just hold as long the game is still running lets give it 3 Years+.
PS:
I just can say dont buy R&D packs on Thursday dont support our dumb lower Instincts too have something better to win. If you do u might be a gambler and might need Psychological care its an Offical disease here in Germany.
Same goes for the new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5^^. Even if u bought it on the Exchange somewhere some guy if the drop Changce is bei maybe 1-2% have opend anround 75 R&D Boxes 300 base 1 Box its = 22500 Zen = 225~ Euro/Dollar. The Price tag is much too high in my opinion for Virtual that ull never can Touch.
Lotto is never good for the game and i dont like the promotion of gambling, i agree that gambling is some dump part of our humanity. But i never thought i would see it so technological advanced in in the Delta Quadrant please dont let u guys assimilated by gambling and dont buy the R&D BOXES on Thursday.
I think its time for a Lotto petition inside Free to Play games even Tera and Gw2 have them. But dont forget our Game is the Star Treak Universe, but for now it seems we Pay for it for what we got and it seems Ferengis infiltrated Perfect World/Cryptic too support our greed to be better if we Pay for it.
Dont forget if you buy that new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5 off the exchange its worth a bicycle that will hold 15 Years+. The new Elachi HighPower Destroyer of the Delta Destruction +5 will just hold as long the game is still running lets give it 3 Years+.
PS:
I just can say dont buy R&D packs on Thursday dont support our dumb lower Instincts too have something better to win. If you do u might be a gambler and might need Psychological care its an Offical disease here in Germany.
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But my problem is they are not worth it they most of the time just include TRIBBLE!
This all depends on how you value R&D materials. For me, I would only considering grabbing and opening them during an R&D promotion weekend, which is not happening here.
But its not worth it u buy stuff that gets eaten(R&D) for holy 300 bucks. Thats so much expensive for something u cant really eat. 300 zen = Thats 3/$ = 1 Bread 2/$ + 1/$ for 1 week 1 Person.
Please stop your greed and dont buy R&D this time.
This game wouldn't exist if people didn't waste money on stuff like this. All F2P games rely on the rich and/or stupid to operate. We are wasting money on something that doesn't exist and we will continue to waste money on stuff that doesn't exist. MMOs are simply an escape from reality and the health problems from them are less than the alternatives. Eventually, VRMMOs will become available and the whole drive of material possessions will become pointless. Why work and get a decent house, car, etc when you can have the life you want in virtual reality? All you need is a VR Rig, couch, and an IV for nutritional supplements.
Even peope that say "I just buy it for the EC I can make selling the Master Keys" are basically spending money on the game they probably would not consider otherwise.
And that is why it sits bad with me. It is basically "tricking" people into buying stuff. Because you cannot honestly tell them "hey, for 5 $, you can get 20,000 EC" or "for 400 $, you can get this awesome ship". (Unless perhaps your Chris Roberts and are making Star Citizen.)
And it also doesn'T sit well to me because Cryptic will always have a strong motiviation to make lockbox ships somehow better and more powerful than the ones before, which invariable leads to power creep. And particularly for PvP, it hurts variety, because people avoid the weaker ships, so we have only a small number of ships that will be seen viable in competitive games.
The only plus side may be that games get made that otherwise might no longer exist, or get less improvements/updates/expansions.
Yep thats the bad thing over it i mostly buy Lock Box Ships off the excange but even if u can say u didint bougth them u maybe bought them. And i buy them off the exchange because i am not a fan of Lottery and mostly lose then win.
Trottel Lotto is still a lost then a win if u pay for it keep that in mind guys.
I too have bought ships off of the exchange (The Galor the only exception).
Keep in mind too that some one payed real cash for the keys that opened the box the ship came from. With you buying said ship from the exchange, you are indirectly supporting the lotto ship movement by encouraging other players to buy the keys to open the boxes.
I am not spending money on the game at this moment not because I am boycotting nor don't have anything I want, but because I have no disposable income. If I did, I would spend a little here and there. Would that include lockboxes? Only every once and a while.
People blame the whales who spend quite a bit of money on one-time purchases like ships but it's really not them that Cryptic needs to keep on side. It's the lockbox key / R&D pack gamblers.
The whales are like escorts in an STF, doing high burst damage. The lockbox key gamblers are like the cruisers doing damage over the long term, eventually getting the highest DPS in the STF.
I've spoken to people who have spent hundreds of dollars opening lockboxes and got nothing for their trouble but a handful of lobi and bits of low level vendor junk. They don't see the stupidity in their actions and they don't understand how much cheaper it would have been to just sell the keys and buy the ship. These new ships are going to sit on the exchange for 400 million EC plus and I suspect that with the odds of getting a ship as low as they always are it'll STILL be cheaper to sell keys for EC and buy the ship from the exchange.
But gambling addicts always think their next big win is just around the corner don't they...
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In this case, the boxes contains something I need, regardless of the loto aspect (or in this case stuff I know I can use). R&D Boxes are a better source of EC in my opinion than keys. I have bought only 12 (3 sets @ 1000 zen each, or at the 20% discount rate), and in each and every case I received something of value I either needed for R&D - OR - it was sellable.
Yes, the cost of players crafting has dropped. That's been expressed in the end costs for buying superior upgrades.
In my case I planned to buy the R&D boxes again - a bulk buy - primarily to offset the costs of crafting some of the specialty consoles and gear. Adding lobi is brilliant, and encourages me to rethink the purchase in a positive way. Adding a chance for a kick-TRIBBLE scimidar variant for my KDF or Fed tacs just makes it that more valuable.
So in this case, I'm happy to drop zen knowing full well what I'll get as opposed to a lockbox with more TRIBBLE I don't want or need.
Well, I wouldn't want to call any players morons - personally I'd say how one views it and the players is in how one goes into it. Like ddesjardins said about the R&D packs, they already have value. It's not a case of going after them for the ships - it's not a case of gambling, in that sense. The same goes with much of what's going on out there with the RNG "rewards" - Hell, it's not really much different than some of the PVE stuff folks would run, eh? You knew you'd get X, but you might also get Y. How many folks ran it for Y and tended to end up frustrated? How many ran it for X and were pleasantly surprised when they did get Y?
It's like I used to buy Lock Boxes to get Lobi for the various sets, things that couldn't be gotten any other way. I wasn't gambling, I was buying Lobi. Sure, the amount might vary - but I looked at it as buying the minimum amount and anything else was a bonus. That's how most of the stuff is, imho.
You're buying the minimum. If you don't think the minimum is worth it, then don't buy it. And if you get anything more than the minimum, well that's pretty nifty.
It's nothing like me going and buying a scratch off ticket or a lotto ticket. Heh, for my $1-20+ I get a piece of paper? Yeah, that piece of paper's not worth $1-20+ to me.
The boxes and promos are transactions...with potential bonuses. At least at how I look at them.
Now, if somebody was attacking them with a need to get the best prizes out of them...well, odds are they're just setting themselves up for frustration. As has been pointed out countless times, in many cases it's far simpler just to buy those "bonuses" that other folks have acquired, eh?
Do I feel Cryptic is squeaky clean on this? Heh, no way - I firmly believe they're taking advantage of folks that "need" stuff and will gamble away like that. But they're taking advantage of folks...the problem itself still rests with the folks themselves. Cause Cryptic not taking advantage of them hasn't changed them...only them changing can fix the issue.
edit: Course, in the end - if somebody's got some surplus resources around and just wants to have a go at it, who is anybody to say they shouldn't, eh?
Do we have to change/improve things drastically or everything is awesome and there are still enough cryptic fans left to make (a lot of) money?
Feel free to apply it to STO PUGs, though.
Heh, I didn't want to laugh at that...but I did.
Wow(not the game), that description fits.
(The "Moron Lottery" turns often enough simple STF's into "No win scenarios")
What irks me is that a research box costs 300 zen in the first place. That's almost 3 euro. As a microtransaction 3 euro is fine, but the fact is that one would need at least 50 boxes to get enough research related rewards to make a dent in their crafting costs/progress. That's ridiculous sum to pay for something like that imho.
So maybe instead of placing carrots in the research boxes in order to get people to buy them, maybe, just maybe lower their price altogether ? Just saying. Not that simple logic would ever dictate anything Cryptic might do at this point.
Well atm Delta is just a money grab then an Expansion.
Hmmm.... , interesting .
I was thinking about squeezing more money out of crafters and the possible reasons for that ... , but this works too .
Exactly, I will never understand why people seem to believe that the video gaming industry has to/should be any different then any other industry.
Because not every company in the game industry is releasing moneygrabbing games. There are several that uphold some standards to their software and their customers' satisfaction. They even go in great lengths to ensure that their product finally meets the playerbases' expectations even long after release. In short, there are a lot of gaming companies that believe that quality can bring profit, and guess, what it does. The same weird fact is also true in a lot of other business sectors.
In fact, you only find moneygrabbing tactics to thrive in deregulated markets or cornered audiences - I'll let you choose which one is the STO playerbase.
So please, don't put all gaming companies - or companies at general - in the same basket.
It's nice to see everyone engaged in conversation. So in my four month absences I see that the forum is still very active. This bring me great joy, to see so many people invested in the Star Trek name openly discussing the state of the game. It still pains me (terribly), that the developers continue to stand behind cash grabs instead of their product. I understand "the bottom line", but when the bottom line continues to infuriate players, so much so that a mass exodus is the only recourse, the developers have to re-evaluate their stance.
I feel that this game has lost it's bearing. No longer is it about the values and exploration of Star Trek, it's about generating as much money as possible by any means. It's about creating spaceship after spaceship, each one more powerful than the previous. With so much raw power at a players disposal, how can you create a worth foe to challenge the player-base? How can you create opponents that are equal in firepower to the players? Last time I played this game, I was able to eviscerate anything that stood before my cannons, beams and torpedo's.
In closing, I will continue to check these forum's seasonally. I can't express my level of disgust towards this game. The name "Star Trek" is being used for nefarious purposes. Have you developers no shame? How do you sleep at night knowing that a franchise with so much lore and history is your personal "play thing"? I understand you have "bills to pay", but honestly, is this the only way to pay those bills?
Thank you for your time and good luck to the rest of you players. To the whales that continue to fund this abomination of a game, please stop, you're only making things worse.
I also would say that the upgrade system, in comparison, actually IS what some complain that the lockboxes are--a near-rewardless money sink once you get past Mk XIV on an item. On the occasions when I have upgraded, I will ONLY do so for a guaranteed reward. When the mark increases stop, I stop--no matter what rarity the item is at.
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Thats it nothing more but hey the queues are always full and Delta Rising is the BEST expansion EVER and players LOVE it!
Wet, for that ship? A ship with a lesser BO-Layout than the Ody, but with a hangar? Pls, anyone who cant name at least 5 better ships for any occasion should l2p. Looks are deceiving, stats are important. And here it will most likely score less than an ody (which of course still is high).
I would buy it if someone forget one or two zeros, but otherwise, no thanks, not worth it.
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